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Post by rideintothesun on Dec 30, 2023 17:34:20 GMT
Holloway said he wouldnt have picked MT in a million years. Hopefully that's an extra incentive to MT. I'm enjoying his sensible uncontroversial pre and post match interviews and obviously a team that suddenly has a structure and a plan. Its interesting how Holloway has appointed himself as 'Mr Bristol Rovers', with the right to opine on each and every development at our club. He is still regarded well by the fanbase, and I still have a lot of time for him, but has used up a considerable amount of credit since his sacking by the club - his continued digs at the Dunfords, without whom there wouldn't be a club, didn't sit well with me at all. You were given financial backing Ian - and used it to sign Scott Jones, Mark Foran, Justin Richards and Micky Evans, who Geoff Dunford described, in pre-Tom Nicholls days, as the club's 'worst ever signing'. You were in substantial part responsible for the collapse at the end of the 99/00 'nearly' season, and the subsequent relegation. Interesting fact - Ian's considerable media presence isn't attributable to his innate good humour and down-with-the-lads bonhomie....its actually in large part due to the fact that QPR's training ground and stadium used to be right next to the BBC. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2023 20:23:58 GMT
I'm convinced he was primed to release these comments. Very un Ollie like but soon after a leak of false news to the Daily Mail of Matt Taylor cancelling the xmas party there appears to be a mole nibbling from within. are you suggesting that Wael is not so happy as a junior investor, unable to drive decisions? I have no idea who is upset behind the scenes, it could be a disgruntled ex employee, soon to be ex employee but it would be very strange for one of the current investors to try to unsettle what we currently have. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 31, 2023 1:58:51 GMT
Holloway said he wouldnt have picked MT in a million years. Hopefully that's an extra incentive to MT. I'm enjoying his sensible uncontroversial pre and post match interviews and obviously a team that suddenly has a structure and a plan. Its interesting how Holloway has appointed himself as 'Mr Bristol Rovers', with the right to opine on each and every development at our club. He is still regarded well by the fanbase, and I still have a lot of time for him, but has used up a considerable amount of credit since his sacking by the club - his continued digs at the Dunfords, without whom there wouldn't be a club, didn't sit well with me at all. You were given financial backing Ian - and used it to sign Scott Jones, Mark Foran, Justin Richards and Micky Evans, who Geoff Dunford described, in pre-Tom Nicholls days, as the club's 'worst ever signing'. You were in substantial part responsible for the collapse at the end of the 99/00 'nearly' season, and the subsequent relegation. Interesting fact - Ian's considerable media presence isn't attributable to his innate good humour and down-with-the-lads bonhomie....its actually in large part due to the fact that QPR's training ground and stadium used to be right next to the BBC. Justin Richards..... dear, oh dear! ? Unforgivable.. What about those 2 kids he signed on loan in midfield and played them away to Millwall where we got demolished? We only needed a few points at that time and capitulated. Plus.... Cardiff away in cup live on TV? Earnshaw-gate. IH just threw us to the wolves and we were humiliated on national TV. Petulant at the time... |
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Post by chelt_gas on Dec 31, 2023 5:54:32 GMT
Its interesting how Holloway has appointed himself as 'Mr Bristol Rovers', with the right to opine on each and every development at our club. He is still regarded well by the fanbase, and I still have a lot of time for him, but has used up a considerable amount of credit since his sacking by the club - his continued digs at the Dunfords, without whom there wouldn't be a club, didn't sit well with me at all. You were given financial backing Ian - and used it to sign Scott Jones, Mark Foran, Justin Richards and Micky Evans, who Geoff Dunford described, in pre-Tom Nicholls days, as the club's 'worst ever signing'. You were in substantial part responsible for the collapse at the end of the 99/00 'nearly' season, and the subsequent relegation. Interesting fact - Ian's considerable media presence isn't attributable to his innate good humour and down-with-the-lads bonhomie....its actually in large part due to the fact that QPR's training ground and stadium used to be right next to the BBC. Justin Richards..... dear, oh dear! ? Unforgivable.. What about those 2 kids he signed on loan in midfield and played them away to Millwall where we got demolished? We only needed a few points at that time and capitulated. Plus.... Cardiff away in cup live on TV? Earnshaw-gate. IH just threw us to the wolves and we were humiliated on national TV. Petulant at the time... Both those younsters (Wolleaston and Jordan Stewart) both went on to have respectable football careers. Indeed, Wolleaston was well regarded at the time he signed for Rovers on loan www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-rovers/john-terry-bristol-rovers-chelsea-3844332Gary Penrice would also have had input on signings (and maybe others at the club). That season was great however our midfield players were either known sicknotes (Pritch and Shore), veterens (Ollie and Walters), decent but not spectacular (Mauge) or youngsters (Hogg, Bryant, Trees). Then there was the Latvian. Holloway will always be a Rovers legend and probably has more 'what if...' recollections than most gasheads. But neither of us can undo the past. Also never knew that Marcus Andreasson was Liberian and not Swedish (according to Wikipedia). |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 31, 2023 9:47:51 GMT
Holloway said he wouldnt have picked MT in a million years. Hopefully that's an extra incentive to MT. I'm enjoying his sensible uncontroversial pre and post match interviews and obviously a team that suddenly has a structure and a plan. Its interesting how Holloway has appointed himself as 'Mr Bristol Rovers', with the right to opine on each and every development at our club. He is still regarded well by the fanbase, and I still have a lot of time for him, but has used up a considerable amount of credit since his sacking by the club - his continued digs at the Dunfords, without whom there wouldn't be a club, didn't sit well with me at all. You were given financial backing Ian - and used it to sign Scott Jones, Mark Foran, Justin Richards and Micky Evans, who Geoff Dunford described, in pre-Tom Nicholls days, as the club's 'worst ever signing'. You were in substantial part responsible for the collapse at the end of the 99/00 'nearly' season, and the subsequent relegation. Interesting fact - Ian's considerable media presence isn't attributable to his innate good humour and down-with-the-lads bonhomie....its actually in large part due to the fact that QPR's training ground and stadium used to be right next to the BBC. Maybe you would do better by talking with him, he is very approachable. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 31, 2023 10:40:05 GMT
Justin Richards..... dear, oh dear! ? Unforgivable.. What about those 2 kids he signed on loan in midfield and played them away to Millwall where we got demolished? We only needed a few points at that time and capitulated. Plus.... Cardiff away in cup live on TV? Earnshaw-gate. IH just threw us to the wolves and we were humiliated on national TV. Petulant at the time... Both those younsters (Wolleaston and Jordan Stewart) both went on to have respectable football careers. Indeed, Wolleaston was well regarded at the time he signed for Rovers on loan www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-rovers/john-terry-bristol-rovers-chelsea-3844332Gary Penrice would also have had input on signings (and maybe others at the club). That season was great however our midfield players were either known sicknotes (Pritch and Shore), veterens (Ollie and Walters), decent but not spectacular (Mauge) or youngsters (Hogg, Bryant, Trees). Then there was the Latvian. Holloway will always be a Rovers legend and probably has more 'what if...' recollections than most gasheads. But neither of us can undo the past. Also never knew that Marcus Andreasson was Liberian and not Swedish (according to Wikipedia). Nice post ! I couldn't remember their names off top of my head, great research. I definitely remember throwing 2 kids in for debut matches in the packed Lions Den, was generally regarded as a mistake at the time. Latvian was simply bought for the division above, he was light years ahead of the rest of the squad. Anyone remember the last game of the season at home (perhaps v Brentford?), when Jay gets put clean through and rolls the ball the wrong side of the post in front of the Blackthorn End? Heads went down. We knew it was over. The end of an era. Soon after, everyone went their own way.. We can look back and chronologicalise era's pertaining to manager's legacy, but IH in his first managerial role tried his best but made some glaring mistakes, just unfortunately it was the prelude to the first relegation to the basement division era in our history. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 31, 2023 11:34:52 GMT
Neither tore trees up anywhere else. Best was Stewart who played about 100 games for Watford in the championship then drifted downwards. Wolleaston’s best days were in the conference with Cambridge and then Rubbish and Dustbins. He never really settled anywhere more than a couple of seasons. Mauge was the big miss. Although not technically the best player we had he was in the form of his life and bossing the middle of the park before his broken leg and the two youngsters were a gamble and proved not to be adequate replacements. My memory of the nearly season is that Beadle unsettled both Roberts and cureton and the team stopped playing as they had till the final 5 games. I remember those 2 appearing not to give a s**t in the way they performed and there were clearly those in the team who were pissed off at them. Holloway never gripped it though it was a difficult situation for a newish manager to deal with. The following season he really started to lose the plot with us and sacking was inevitable and a good decision imho. I recall one game where he lined us up with either 9 centre backs or defensive players so the best we would ever do was grind out a 0-0. At times as a manager he was great but at other times he was terrible and he was very erratic and volatile ( not to the extent of the recent cockwomble who wore the boss’s cap). His time has been and gone and I do not want him at the club in any footballing capacity. Look and move forward not harp back to yesteryear
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Post by rowdenhill on Dec 31, 2023 12:03:01 GMT
And let's not forget that GC had steered us to 4th in the table - with a game in hand. And at one point in-play we were 2nd. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 31, 2023 12:06:38 GMT
Neither tore trees up anywhere else. Best was Stewart who played about 100 games for Watford in the championship then drifted downwards. Wolleaston’s best days were in the conference with Cambridge and then Rubbish and Dustbins. He never really settled anywhere more than a couple of seasons. Mauge was the big miss. Although not technically the best player we had he was in the form of his life and bossing the middle of the park before his broken leg and the two youngsters were a gamble and proved not to be adequate replacements. My memory of the nearly season is that Beadle unsettled both Roberts and cureton and the team stopped playing as they had till the final 5 games. I remember those 2 appearing not to give a s**t in the way they performed and there were clearly those in the team who were pissed off at them. Holloway never gripped it though it was a difficult situation for a newish manager to deal with. The following season he really started to lose the plot with us and sacking was inevitable and a good decision imho. I recall one game where he lined us up with either 9 centre backs or defensive players so the best we would ever do was grind out a 0-0. At times as a manager he was great but at other times he was terrible and he was very erratic and volatile ( not to the extent of the recent cockwomble who wore the boss’s cap). His time has been and gone and I do not want him at the club in any footballing capacity. Look and move forward not harp back to yesteryear How about Penrice ? |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Dec 31, 2023 13:56:49 GMT
Neither tore trees up anywhere else. Best was Stewart who played about 100 games for Watford in the championship then drifted downwards. Wolleaston’s best days were in the conference with Cambridge and then Rubbish and Dustbins. He never really settled anywhere more than a couple of seasons. Mauge was the big miss. Although not technically the best player we had he was in the form of his life and bossing the middle of the park before his broken leg and the two youngsters were a gamble and proved not to be adequate replacements. My memory of the nearly season is that Beadle unsettled both Roberts and cureton and the team stopped playing as they had till the final 5 games. I remember those 2 appearing not to give a s**t in the way they performed and there were clearly those in the team who were pissed off at them. Holloway never gripped it though it was a difficult situation for a newish manager to deal with. The following season he really started to lose the plot with us and sacking was inevitable and a good decision imho. I recall one game where he lined us up with either 9 centre backs or defensive players so the best we would ever do was grind out a 0-0. At times as a manager he was great but at other times he was terrible and he was very erratic and volatile ( not to the extent of the recent cockwomble who wore the boss’s cap). His time has been and gone and I do not want him at the club in any footballing capacity. Look and move forward not harp back to yesteryear How about Penrice ? He'd stopped playing by that point hadn't he? The main central midfielders were Mauge, Hillier, Shore, Latvian and we had Bryant and Hogg as the youngsters coming through. The biggest loss in the promotion season was losing Mauge and Pritchard through injury. Regarding Roberts and Cureton, both wanted improved contracts and they would've stayed, rather than Dunford saying "if we get promoted" or "if you score X many" he simply said no, and knowing both were going to get moves at the end of the season there was no motivation for them to break their balls for us. Holloway certainly lost the plot the following season, his signings were awful (although Evans had a medical issue that once was sorted saw him be a very good player at L1 level) and his 352 system didn't work without the work rate and leadership of Tilson and he started putting players in all sorts of weird positions. The mistake Dunford also made was putting Garry Thompson in charge rather than getting an experienced hand in to push a big reset button and get some structure into the side. We hadn't won at home all season (it was late Jan) and were 1 place off the relegation zone and it was decided Thompson with no previous management experience and only 6 months of coaching under his belt was the best man to lead us. Unbelievable really. As much as we point the finger at Ollie, I'm stunned no one asked the questions of Dunford either because he's as much responsible as Ollie was for our relegation to the basement league and his appointments of Thompson x2, Francis and Graydon in the following years were awful. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 14:18:32 GMT
"I'm stunned no one asked the questions of Dunford" Sorry, but this is hysterical. You didn't have to be a genius to work out that the club was sliding out of the football league under that regime. We put in place a management team, against the wishes of the old guard, which got us promoted in their first full season, and when one man asked for the board to consider a restructure to further stabilise the club the supporters and in particular the supporters club chose to back the status quo. A few joy riders also jumped on board to oversee the same status quo take the club out of the league into non league football. Nah, nobody asked questions of Dunford and Co.  Actually, I thought it wasn't the correct approach at the time but one director did make one comment which in hindsight was spot on, "As a supporter I always wondered why we were sh*t, now that I have joined this board I now know why." |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 31, 2023 15:12:33 GMT
And let's not forget that GC had steered us to 4th in the table - with a game in hand. And at one point in-play we were 2nd. Excellent post! I screenshot it at the time with the wireless telephonic communicator. We had.... belief. |
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Post by darloGas on Dec 31, 2023 15:16:18 GMT
"I'm stunned no one asked the questions of Dunford" Sorry, but this is hysterical. You didn't have to be a genius to work out that the club was sliding out of the football league under that regime. We put in place a management team, against the wishes of the old guard, which got us promoted in their first full season, and when one man asked for the board to consider a restructure to further stabilise the club the supporters and in particular the supporters club chose to back the status quo. A few joy riders also jumped on board to oversee the same status quo take the club out of the league into non league football. Nah, nobody asked questions of Dunford and Co. Actually, I thought it wasn't the correct approach at the time but one director did make one comment which in hindsight was spot on, "As a supporter I always wondered why we were sh*t, now that I have joined this board I now know why." |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 31, 2023 15:41:24 GMT
"I'm stunned no one asked the questions of Dunford" Sorry, but this is hysterical. You didn't have to be a genius to work out that the club was sliding out of the football league under that regime. We put in place a management team, against the wishes of the old guard, which got us promoted in their first full season, and when one man asked for the board to consider a restructure to further stabilise the club the supporters and in particular the supporters club chose to back the status quo. A few joy riders also jumped on board to oversee the same status quo take the club out of the league into non league football. Nah, nobody asked questions of Dunford and Co. Actually, I thought it wasn't the correct approach at the time but one director did make one comment which in hindsight was spot on, "As a supporter I always wondered why we were sh*t, now that I have joined this board I now know why." I know it’s not funny but your post did give me a proper bellylaugh when thinking of the nastiness that went on, to actually and selfishly hold onto pereceived control over the good of the club. That was possibly the turning point which , in my opinion, stunted any chance of real progress. I can make a fair guess of whom you write of. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 31, 2023 15:46:11 GMT
"I'm stunned no one asked the questions of Dunford" Sorry, but this is hysterical. You didn't have to be a genius to work out that the club was sliding out of the football league under that regime. We put in place a management team, against the wishes of the old guard, which got us promoted in their first full season, and when one man asked for the board to consider a restructure to further stabilise the club the supporters and in particular the supporters club chose to back the status quo. A few joy riders also jumped on board to oversee the same status quo take the club out of the league into non league football. Nah, nobody asked questions of Dunford and Co. Actually, I thought it wasn't the correct approach at the time but one director did make one comment which in hindsight was spot on, "As a supporter I always wondered why we were sh*t, now that I have joined this board I now know why." Sorry, I meant wasn’t in Penny who played for Watford. Stewart went to Ipswich. Maybe I am not understanding the thread in this instance |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 15:58:39 GMT
"I'm stunned no one asked the questions of Dunford" Sorry, but this is hysterical. You didn't have to be a genius to work out that the club was sliding out of the football league under that regime. We put in place a management team, against the wishes of the old guard, which got us promoted in their first full season, and when one man asked for the board to consider a restructure to further stabilise the club the supporters and in particular the supporters club chose to back the status quo. A few joy riders also jumped on board to oversee the same status quo take the club out of the league into non league football. Nah, nobody asked questions of Dunford and Co. Actually, I thought it wasn't the correct approach at the time but one director did make one comment which in hindsight was spot on, "As a supporter I always wondered why we were sh*t, now that I have joined this board I now know why." I know it’s not funny but your post did give me a proper bellylaugh when thinking of the nastiness that went on, to actually and selfishly hold onto pereceived control over the good of the club. That was possibly the turning point which , in my opinion, stunted any chance of real progress. I can make a fair guess of whom you write of. To be honest after replying I regretted posting as it has been done to death but didn't want people to think that no questions were asked of the previous regime or that some didn't want to try to help improve the direction the club was going in. The likes of Ware and Higgs came along to try and prop them up but as the relegation from the league confirmed, they just made things worse. I do feel a vibe that there is some sort of unrest behind the scenes again which is a shame as Matt Taylor is a breath of fresh air for this club and he needs unity to take the club to the next level. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Dec 31, 2023 16:06:05 GMT
I know it’s not funny but your post did give me a proper bellylaugh when thinking of the nastiness that went on, to actually and selfishly hold onto pereceived control over the good of the club. That was possibly the turning point which , in my opinion, stunted any chance of real progress. I can make a fair guess of whom you write of. To be honest after replying I regretted posting as it has been done to death but didn't want people to think that no questions were asked of the previous regime or that some didn't want to try to help improve the direction the club was going in. The likes of Ware and Higgs came along to try and prop them up but as the relegation from the league confirmed, they just made things worse. I do feel a vibe that there is some sort of unrest behind the scenes again which is a shame as Matt Taylor is a breath of fresh air for this club and he needs unity to take the club to the next level. Hi SDG you were right that the leadership was questioned as that was partly to blame for bans from the club forum and the dreaded '.' in response to some people's posts. There was a feeling of the 'best laid plans of mice and men...' and the “The road to hell is paved with good intentions...” noting that at heart people were well intentioned but unaccepting of even constructive criticism. I am disappointed that you 'feel a vibe that there is some sort of unrest behind the scenes again'. Where do you think that is coming from as the players seem to be forming a good rapport with the new manager and happy enough with his style of management? |
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 31, 2023 16:08:42 GMT
Its interesting how Holloway has appointed himself as 'Mr Bristol Rovers', with the right to opine on each and every development at our club. He is still regarded well by the fanbase, and I still have a lot of time for him, but has used up a considerable amount of credit since his sacking by the club - his continued digs at the Dunfords, without whom there wouldn't be a club, didn't sit well with me at all. You were given financial backing Ian - and used it to sign Scott Jones, Mark Foran, Justin Richards and Micky Evans, who Geoff Dunford described, in pre-Tom Nicholls days, as the club's 'worst ever signing'. You were in substantial part responsible for the collapse at the end of the 99/00 'nearly' season, and the subsequent relegation. Interesting fact - Ian's considerable media presence isn't attributable to his innate good humour and down-with-the-lads bonhomie....its actually in large part due to the fact that QPR's training ground and stadium used to be right next to the BBC. Justin Richards..... dear, oh dear! ? Unforgivable.. What about those 2 kids he signed on loan in midfield and played them away to Millwall where we got demolished? We only needed a few points at that time and capitulated. Plus.... Cardiff away in cup live on TV? Earnshaw-gate. IH just threw us to the wolves and we were humiliated on national TV. Petulant at the time... Was that the 0-3 at the New Den in late March 2000? If it was - I remember my son (aged 7) asking me with 15 minutes or so to go whether we could get back into the game. I said I'd run down Epping High Street naked if we did. A total stranger sat behind me tapped me on the shoulder and said he'd be happy to join me. No-one ran down Epping High Street naked. Edit: I can remember the entire squad... that season en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999%E2%80%932000_Bristol_Rovers_F.C._season with the exception of Stewart and Wooleaston. |
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| P | Divisions | W | D | L | W% | W/L | W-L | | IH | 246 | 3rd | 92 | 67 | 90 | 36.9% | 1.022 | +2 | | GT | 47 | 3rd to 4th | 14 | 10 | 23 | 29.8% | 0.609 | -9 | | RG | 81 | 4th | 22 | 22 | 37 | 27.2% | 0.595 | -15 | | IA | 68 | 4th | 21 | 26 | 21 | 30.9% | 1.000 | 0 | | PT | 284 | 4th to 3rd | 106 | 71 | 107 | 37.3% | 0.991 | -1 | | DP | 13 | 3rd | 2 | 2 | 9 | 15.4% | 0.222 | -7 | | PB | 29 | 4th | 8 | 6 | 15 | 27.6% | 0.533 | -7 | | MM | 45 | 4th | 12 | 12 | 21 | 26.7% | 0.353 | -9 | | JW | 69 | 4th | 24 | 21 | 24 | 34.8% | 1.000 | 0 | | DC | 246 | 4th to 5th to 4th to 3rd | 104 | 56 | 86 | 42.3% | 1.209 | +18 | | GC | 56 | 3rd | 25 | 18 | 13 | 44.6% | 1.923 | +12 | | BG | 33 | 3rd | 6 | 10 | 17 | 18.2% | 0.353 | -11 | | PT | 19 | 3rd | 5 | 3 | 11 | 26.3% | 0.455 | -6 | | JB | 143 | 3rd to 4th to 3rd | 53 | 30 | 60 | 37.1% | 0.883 | -7 | | MT | 7 | 3rd | 4 | 1 | 2 | 57.1% | 2.000 | +2 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 16:16:35 GMT
To be honest after replying I regretted posting as it has been done to death but didn't want people to think that no questions were asked of the previous regime or that some didn't want to try to help improve the direction the club was going in. The likes of Ware and Higgs came along to try and prop them up but as the relegation from the league confirmed, they just made things worse. I do feel a vibe that there is some sort of unrest behind the scenes again which is a shame as Matt Taylor is a breath of fresh air for this club and he needs unity to take the club to the next level. Hi SDG you were right that the leadership was questioned as that was partly to blame for bans from the club forum and the dreaded '.' in response to some people's posts. There was a feeling of the 'best laid plans of mice and men...' and the “The road to hell is paved with good intentions...” noting that at heart people were well intentioned but unaccepting of even constructive criticism. I am disappointed that you 'feel a vibe that there is some sort of unrest behind the scenes again'. Where do you think that is coming from as the players seem to be forming a good rapport with the new manager and happy enough with his style of management? I have no evidence Chesh but I balked when I read the article in the Daily Mail that Matt Taylor had cancelled the players Christmas Party following a defeat insinuating that it was a punishment which I soon discovered was fake news. Who released that story to the press? Obviously somebody with authority or the press wouldn't have run with it. Then, Ollie came out with a statement that he wouldn't have employed Matt Taylor in a millions years whilst praising the previous manager who caused so much division. Where did that come from? It was so un Ollie like. Yes, the players appear to be fully behind the manager and it was great when one of them publicly stated that the manager needed more help. If a player is that concerned then it is proof that they really do care. The new owners have my full support and I am really looking forward to being back at The Mem again soon to cheer Matt and the team on. HNY Cheshire. |
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