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Post by droitwichgas on May 30, 2020 15:09:28 GMT
DC very nearly bankrupted us with his senseless spending, perhaps if he'd managed his budget better he might still be our manager, £350K and a 3 yr contract for Nichols, £150K transfer fee paid for Payne, Bennett signed on 3.5yr/£4.5K a week contract, the list goes on. As far as GC this is a similar tale to the one he allegedly told at the Diamond Club gathering, but then BG seemed to be given a bigger wage budget, either it's cobblers or Wael want him gone so could get rid of the dour football we had to suffer week in, week out. Just unfortunate BG seems all talk. Yes,DC made some poor signings, but some very good ones.He made money on eg Matt Taylor,Harrison and Bodin. GC had us playing effective football.It saved us from relegation back to the 4th and turned us into promotion challengers. But apparently that's not good enough for you and quite alot of Rovtrs supporters. I find it difficult to comprehend. I never complained at the time nor since really, at the end of the day we had no involvement in any decisions Wael made regarding DC continuing as our manager. Although the fact he struggled at Mansfield suggest he was the Messiah we thought he was, perhaps the wheels would have come off the wagon if he'd remained our manager.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Jun 1, 2020 10:01:10 GMT
This morning, I had a chat with an x member of Rovers staff. 1.On Graham Coughlans departure. Confidently and without hesitation I was told the Board told GC 4 players were not to be played past a number of games that would trigger a years extension to their Rovers employment.Absolutely handicapping the man at a time when support could have seen us go up. The Stags offered him over double what Rovers were paying g him. I asked why Mildenhall was'nt selected for so many 5th tier games,when clearly Will Puddy was'nt up to it. DC was worried that if SM played again,it would trigger another year on his Gas deal and if we would of stayed 5th tier,the saving on allowing SM to go could of meant 4 new 5th tier players.At Wembley this is why WP played,even though he was injured and taking pain killer injections.DC cracked and gambled for the penalty showdown and after Wills performance who can blame him. Matt Taylor was paid a fortune over his City deal.Lansdown loves putting one across Rovers. WAQ.He persuaded his family that Rovers wouldn't cost so much,theirs money there.His Dad and older brother wanted profit.A budget of £6000000 was spoken of. Once it was clear there was no profit the training ground and UWE were finished. City will take the big majority of new young Bristol support.As we all know. DC was told he would get £1000000 more to deal with our first season back in the 3rd tier.Just before the transfer window started,WAQ told DC the cash isn't there.DC asked how can I entice the players I'm after to come to Rovers then? He was told to promote the training ground.Useless board.Useless. We are surely 3rd tier at best. Hurrah,we've reached our potential. As this is all being taken as fact, let’s actually compare it to what we know to be true from evidence in the public domain. On GC: Mansfield approached us twice prior to the Ipswich game, Starnes confirmed that in his interview. He also confirmed that no discussions had taken place regarding footballing matters other than the usual discussions for the January window. If one of the conversations was limiting a first team appearance to move a player on, then that in someways is just strategic management and part of every clubs management and something every manager has to put up with, especially if GC didn’t sign him in the first place. Or would you rather a player who is either not good enough/too old/too high an earner take up space on the playing budget? GC also confirmed in his interview why he left us and the pull of moving back up north to work closer to home. Are you saying all of the above from the 2 people most closely involved is lies? If anything GC showed a complete lack of respect and loyalty towards us as a club and fans by shooting his mouth in that interview. His salary was a complete moot point IMO. The going rate for a L1 manager is 80-100k, for league 2 it’s £50-75k. Let’s say he was on 80k, that means Mansfield are paying him £160k, which is way over book for a manager at L1 level and about £100k over book at their level which is bottom half of L2. Now I can’t believe for one minute they would be, but if they are, more fool them, we have done our bit paying massive salaries to managers. On DC: DC has said many times that if we get promoted that each squad member gets another year regardless. So the fact Mildy did or didn’t play at Wembley had zero bearing on his contract status. DC was true to his word for every player on promotion from the conference and L2 even when perhaps he knew it was a level too far for them. The only ones that left were the ones who wanted to leave, like Monkhouse for example, which he did for other personal reasons. The fact Mildy became pretty much first choice for L2 season says that what your ex employee said is total rubbish. DC got a playing budget of £1.5m for the first year back in L1 which is pretty decent for a club that was taken over only 6 months previous and still working its way into the management side. DC had to work with just under £1.2m in L2 so he still got more than what he had. However when DC left, he had a spent budget of £2.65m, the largest this club has ever had and the 6th biggest in the league. The next biggest budget we had was £2.2m under trolls. Spending money does not guarantee you success. DC spent very poorly in the last 18 months, regardless of his transfer income, he also spent fees on Nichols, Payne, Burn and Mensah, who offered a poor ROI. You can’t look at those figures and say the owners didn’t back DC. They also backed GC that same year after DC left to sign who he wanted to keep us up. It’s funny the same people who criticise for not spending money are the same people that are critical for the rising debt level. Which do you want in this loss making business? I would say your man has an axe to grind.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Jun 1, 2020 10:24:14 GMT
Criticism of our owner is not allowed and is sure to attract the displeasure of a certain poster.There are some national league teams with bigger budgets than £600k Not really Dave, I just can see through lies, deceit and complete BS really easily, and it’s usually based on facts I can prove not nonsense hearsay or regurgitated half baked truths of a hardcore few with their noses out of joint.
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Post by gastower on Jun 1, 2020 11:13:58 GMT
Criticism of our owner is not allowed and is sure to attract the displeasure of a certain poster.There are some national league teams with bigger budgets than £600k Not really Dave, I just can see through lies, deceit and complete BS really easily, and it’s usually based on facts I can prove not nonsense hearsay or regurgitated half baked truths of a hardcore few with their noses out of joint. Some of the biggest BS I have seen on here has originated from you .for example your fabricated account of how you gained access to the AGM even though you are not a share holder. Practice what you preach 81/ITB
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Post by irenestoyboy on Jun 1, 2020 11:25:05 GMT
Not really Dave, I just can see through lies, deceit and complete BS really easily, and it’s usually based on facts I can prove not nonsense hearsay or regurgitated half baked truths of a hardcore few with their noses out of joint. Some of the biggest BS I have seen on here has originated from you .for example your fabricated account of how you gained access to the AGM even though you are not a share holder. Practice what you preach 81/ITB And what fabricated account was that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 11:28:37 GMT
Not really Dave, I just can see through lies, deceit and complete BS really easily, and it’s usually based on facts I can prove not nonsense hearsay or regurgitated half baked truths of a hardcore few with their noses out of joint. Some of the biggest BS I have seen on here has originated from you .for example your fabricated account of how you gained access to the AGM even though you are not a share holder. Practice what you preach 81/ITB Strange isn't it. If something isn't true but you don't realise then you don't know that you've been deceived. And I'm pretty sure that we all have been deceived at some point. Anybody arrogant enough to think that recognising deceit is always easy is probably caught more often than most.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Jun 1, 2020 11:49:01 GMT
Some of the biggest BS I have seen on here has originated from you .for example your fabricated account of how you gained access to the AGM even though you are not a share holder. Practice what you preach 81/ITB Strange isn't it. If something isn't true but you don't realise then you don't know that you've been deceived. And I'm pretty sure that we all have been deceived at some point. Anybody arrogant enough to think that recognising deceit is always easy is probably caught more often than most. Depends on whether there has been any deceit..?? I attended an AGM, I was invited to do so by the club as I had had conversations with the club about setting up a new SC which would be in direct opposition to the existing one and the shareholders that are in part, part of the same group along with some presidents club meme era, it was an opportunity to see it first hand all in the same room, and what entertainment that was. I walked in without being questioned, was greeted and sat next to Tom Gorringe. I’m not sure how deceitful that was, from my part not at all, as I accepted an invitation by the majority shareholders. The only ones that made trouble that night, are the same ones that make trouble in general and who post all sorts of nonsense on both these forums. The irony...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 11:59:55 GMT
Strange isn't it. If something isn't true but you don't realise then you don't know that you've been deceived. And I'm pretty sure that we all have been deceived at some point. Anybody arrogant enough to think that recognising deceit is always easy is probably caught more often than most. Depends on whether there has been any deceit..?? I attended an AGM, I was invited to do so by the club as I had had conversations with the club about setting up a new SC which would be in direct opposition to the existing one and the shareholders that are in part, part of the same group along with some presidents club meme era, it was an opportunity to see it first hand all in the same room, and what entertainment that was. I walked in without being questioned, was greeted and sat next to Tom Gorringe. I’m not sure how deceitful that was, from my part not at all, as I accepted an invitation by the majority shareholders. The only ones that made trouble that night, are the same ones that make trouble in general and who post all sorts of nonsense on both these forums. The irony... I always laugh at the concept of making trouble at an AGM when 92% of the shareholding is sat at the directors table. In reality it's just gobbyness by a couple of people who think they have a right because they own a few shares. It does make me smile when I read this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 12:13:32 GMT
Depends on whether there has been any deceit..?? I attended an AGM, I was invited to do so by the club as I had had conversations with the club about setting up a new SC which would be in direct opposition to the existing one and the shareholders that are in part, part of the same group along with some presidents club meme era, it was an opportunity to see it first hand all in the same room, and what entertainment that was. I walked in without being questioned, was greeted and sat next to Tom Gorringe. I’m not sure how deceitful that was, from my part not at all, as I accepted an invitation by the majority shareholders. The only ones that made trouble that night, are the same ones that make trouble in general and who post all sorts of nonsense on both these forums. The irony... I always laugh at the concept of making trouble at an AGM when 92% of the shareholding is sat at the directors table. In reality it's just gobbyness by a couple of people who think they have a right because they own a few shares. It does make me smile when I read this. I'm glad we have some small shareholders to at least try to hold the owners to account, as long as questions from the floor are used wisely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 12:18:56 GMT
Strange isn't it. If something isn't true but you don't realise then you don't know that you've been deceived. And I'm pretty sure that we all have been deceived at some point. Anybody arrogant enough to think that recognising deceit is always easy is probably caught more often than most. Depends on whether there has been any deceit..?? I attended an AGM, I was invited to do so by the club as I had had conversations with the club about setting up a new SC which would be in direct opposition to the existing one and the shareholders that are in part, part of the same group along with some presidents club meme era, it was an opportunity to see it first hand all in the same room, and what entertainment that was. I walked in without being questioned, was greeted and sat next to Tom Gorringe. I’m not sure how deceitful that was, from my part not at all, as I accepted an invitation by the majority shareholders. The only ones that made trouble that night, are the same ones that make trouble in general and who post all sorts of nonsense on both these forums. The irony... You obviously think there has been, somewhere at least; My comment was a general reply, not specific to any topic under discussion, just to your comment in general. Good luck with thinking that you always know when things aren't exactly as they appear. It must be tiring scrutinising everything to that degree, or if you do have that '6th sense' then a top job as a high level analyst or maybe as a political advisor is yours for the asking. Half the country will hate you, but the other half will think you are rather spiffing and you'll get quite wealthy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 12:31:21 GMT
I always laugh at the concept of making trouble at an AGM when 92% of the shareholding is sat at the directors table. In reality it's just gobbyness by a couple of people who think they have a right because they own a few shares. It does make me smile when I read this. I'm glad we have some small shareholders to at least try to hold the owners to account, as long as questions from the floor are used wisely. I truly don't understand the concept of holding any board of directors to account when they own 92% of the shareholding? Either AGM or EGM they can do exactly as they please (within the law of course).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 12:40:26 GMT
I'm glad we have some small shareholders to at least try to hold the owners to account, as long as questions from the floor are used wisely. I truly don't understand the concept of holding any board of directors to account when they own 92% of the shareholding? Either AGM or EGM they can do exactly as they please (within the law of course). Yes, you are right, notwithstanding some truly bizarre articles of association that gave minority shareholder rights that I've never encountered, it would seem futile, but at least your question, and the response, become a matter of record.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 12:44:09 GMT
I truly don't understand the concept of holding any board of directors to account when they own 92% of the shareholding? Either AGM or EGM they can do exactly as they please (within the law of course). Yes, you are right, notwithstanding some truly bizarre articles of association that gave minority shareholder rights that I've never encountered, it would seem futile, but at least your question, and the response, become a matter of record. True If that rocks your boat
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Post by Gas Since 1957 on Jun 1, 2020 12:58:38 GMT
The appearance triggered contracts have always caused problems. Remember Bradley Allen and Ali Gibb? Ian Atkins was right when he said that it's not the clause that is the problem it's the number of games that it gets triggered at. Obviously the details are important. I can kind of understand if you sign a bloke for 6 months in January and he plays x no. of games he might get an extension, but once you give a bloke a job for a year or two or 3, I don't see the need. It seems the sort of thing in a contract that can be forgotten or is just lazy so a club doesn't have to do a negotiation later down the line This will change post-Covid. The agents held all the aces before, but no longer - clubs will offer reasonable deals without the usual sell-on clauses and new contract triggers. What I can see happening is that any decent League 1 players will move up to the Championship and League 1 and 2 teams will rely much more on home grown players and Championship cast-offs in the hope that they come good.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Jun 1, 2020 13:20:21 GMT
Depends on whether there has been any deceit..?? I attended an AGM, I was invited to do so by the club as I had had conversations with the club about setting up a new SC which would be in direct opposition to the existing one and the shareholders that are in part, part of the same group along with some presidents club meme era, it was an opportunity to see it first hand all in the same room, and what entertainment that was. I walked in without being questioned, was greeted and sat next to Tom Gorringe. I’m not sure how deceitful that was, from my part not at all, as I accepted an invitation by the majority shareholders. The only ones that made trouble that night, are the same ones that make trouble in general and who post all sorts of nonsense on both these forums. The irony... You obviously think there has been, somewhere at least; My comment was a general reply, not specific to any topic under discussion, just to your comment in general. Good luck with thinking that you always know when things aren't exactly as they appear. It must be tiring scrutinising everything to that degree, or if you do have that '6th sense' then a top job as a high level analyst or maybe as a political advisor is yours for the asking. Half the country will hate you, but the other half will think you are rather spiffing and you'll get quite wealthy. I could understand a minority shareholder asking why I was there and their nose being dislodged as a result. I liked to think I’m a pretty good judge of character, I’m not always right, but most of the time I am. I’m an analytical and logical thinker by nature and don’t take anything on face value. Someone said X isn’t evidence until I’ve read something, or seen something with my own eyes It been told by an organ grinder that it’s definately happening/or happened. In the last 3 weeks on the other side we have had a training ground Start date confirmation with the exact number of pitches and changing facilities all specified, no one was told to go in on Monday (today) even Clare who is always in on Monday’s, and a huge external debt coming our way that will be secured against the Mem that we will never be able to pay back.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 13:21:14 GMT
Obviously the details are important. I can kind of understand if you sign a bloke for 6 months in January and he plays x no. of games he might get an extension, but once you give a bloke a job for a year or two or 3, I don't see the need. It seems the sort of thing in a contract that can be forgotten or is just lazy so a club doesn't have to do a negotiation later down the line This will change post-Covid. The agents held all the aces before, but no longer - clubs will offer reasonable deals without the usual sell-on clauses and new contract triggers. What I can see happening is that any decent League 1 players will move up to the Championship and League 1 and 2 teams will rely much more on home grown players and Championship cast-offs in the hope that they come good. Nothing will change. A couple of clubs will gamble too much trying to get promoted, some will spend too much trying not to get relegated, some will spend too much to keep supporters happy and try to increase ticket sales, just about all of them will lose money. PL players will continue to pocket enough per-month to pay a L2 squad for a year. Most of us will see how crazy the system is, the TV money will roll in, boosted by new converts with the 'free to air' PL advertising campaign that's about to start, and so it'll carry on.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Jun 1, 2020 13:23:09 GMT
Depends on whether there has been any deceit..?? I attended an AGM, I was invited to do so by the club as I had had conversations with the club about setting up a new SC which would be in direct opposition to the existing one and the shareholders that are in part, part of the same group along with some presidents club meme era, it was an opportunity to see it first hand all in the same room, and what entertainment that was. I walked in without being questioned, was greeted and sat next to Tom Gorringe. I’m not sure how deceitful that was, from my part not at all, as I accepted an invitation by the majority shareholders. The only ones that made trouble that night, are the same ones that make trouble in general and who post all sorts of nonsense on both these forums. The irony... You obviously think there has been, somewhere at least; My comment was a general reply, not specific to any topic under discussion, just to your comment in general. Good luck with thinking that you always know when things aren't exactly as they appear. It must be tiring scrutinising everything to that degree, or if you do have that '6th sense' then a top job as a high level analyst or maybe as a political advisor is yours for the asking. Half the country will hate you, but the other half will think you are rather spiffing and you'll get quite wealthy. I could understand a minority shareholder asking why I was there and their nose being dislodged as a result. I liked to think I’m a pretty good judge of character, I’m not always right, but most of the time I am. I’m an analytical and logical thinker by nature and don’t take anything on face value. Someone said X isn’t evidence until I’ve read something, or seen something with my own eyes It been told by an organ grinder that it’s definately happening/or happened. In the last 3 weeks on the other side we have had a training ground Start date confirmation with the exact number of pitches and changing facilities all specified, no one was told to go in on Monday (today) even Clare who is always in on Monday’s, and a huge external debt coming our way that will be secured against the Mem that we will never be able to pay back.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 13:26:23 GMT
You obviously think there has been, somewhere at least; My comment was a general reply, not specific to any topic under discussion, just to your comment in general. Good luck with thinking that you always know when things aren't exactly as they appear. It must be tiring scrutinising everything to that degree, or if you do have that '6th sense' then a top job as a high level analyst or maybe as a political advisor is yours for the asking. Half the country will hate you, but the other half will think you are rather spiffing and you'll get quite wealthy. I could understand a minority shareholder asking why I was there and their nose being dislodged as a result. I liked to think I’m a pretty good judge of character, I’m not always right, but most of the time I am. I’m an analytical and logical thinker by nature and don’t take anything on face value. Someone said X isn’t evidence until I’ve read something, or seen something with my own eyes It been told by an organ grinder that it’s definately happening/or happened. In the last 3 weeks on the other side we have had a training ground Start date confirmation with the exact number of pitches and changing facilities all specified, no one was told to go in on Monday (today) even Clare who is always in on Monday’s, and a huge external debt coming our way that will be secured against the Mem that we will never be able to pay back. Until you've read something? OK, so, New York is real, we can get on a plane and go see it, Spider Man lives in New York, you can read about Spider Man, so he's real.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 1, 2020 13:31:02 GMT
This morning, I had a chat with an x member of Rovers staff. 1.On Graham Coughlans departure. Confidently and without hesitation I was told the Board told GC 4 players were not to be played past a number of games that would trigger a years extension to their Rovers employment.Absolutely handicapping the man at a time when support could have seen us go up. The Stags offered him over double what Rovers were paying g him. I asked why Mildenhall was'nt selected for so many 5th tier games,when clearly Will Puddy was'nt up to it. DC was worried that if SM played again,it would trigger another year on his Gas deal and if we would of stayed 5th tier,the saving on allowing SM to go could of meant 4 new 5th tier players.At Wembley this is why WP played,even though he was injured and taking pain killer injections.DC cracked and gambled for the penalty showdown and after Wills performance who can blame him. Matt Taylor was paid a fortune over his City deal.Lansdown loves putting one across Rovers. WAQ.He persuaded his family that Rovers wouldn't cost so much,theirs money there.His Dad and older brother wanted profit.A budget of £6000000 was spoken of. Once it was clear there was no profit the training ground and UWE were finished. City will take the big majority of new young Bristol support.As we all know. DC was told he would get £1000000 more to deal with our first season back in the 3rd tier.Just before the transfer window started,WAQ told DC the cash isn't there.DC asked how can I entice the players I'm after to come to Rovers then? He was told to promote the training ground.Useless board.Useless. We are surely 3rd tier at best. Hurrah,we've reached our potential. As this is all being taken as fact, let’s actually compare it to what we know to be true from evidence in the public domain. On GC: Mansfield approached us twice prior to the Ipswich game, Starnes confirmed that in his interview. He also confirmed that no discussions had taken place regarding footballing matters other than the usual discussions for the January window. If one of the conversations was limiting a first team appearance to move a player on, then that in someways is just strategic management and part of every clubs management and something every manager has to put up with, especially if GC didn’t sign him in the first place. Or would you rather a player who is either not good enough/too old/too high an earner take up space on the playing budget? GC also confirmed in his interview why he left us and the pull of moving back up north to work closer to home. Are you saying all of the above from the 2 people most closely involved is lies? If anything GC showed a complete lack of respect and loyalty towards us as a club and fans by shooting his mouth in that interview. His salary was a complete moot point IMO. The going rate for a L1 manager is 80-100k, for league 2 it’s £50-75k. Let’s say he was on 80k, that means Mansfield are paying him £160k, which is way over book for a manager at L1 level and about £100k over book at their level which is bottom half of L2. Now I can’t believe for one minute they would be, but if they are, more fool them, we have done our bit paying massive salaries to managers. On DC: DC has said many times that if we get promoted that each squad member gets another year regardless. So the fact Mildy did or didn’t play at Wembley had zero bearing on his contract status. DC was true to his word for every player on promotion from the conference and L2 even when perhaps he knew it was a level too far for them. The only ones that left were the ones who wanted to leave, like Monkhouse for example, which he did for other personal reasons. The fact Mildy became pretty much first choice for L2 season says that what your ex employee said is total rubbish. DC got a playing budget of £1.5m for the first year back in L1 which is pretty decent for a club that was taken over only 6 months previous and still working its way into the management side. DC had to work with just under £1.2m in L2 so he still got more than what he had. However when DC left, he had a spent budget of £2.65m, the largest this club has ever had and the 6th biggest in the league. The next biggest budget we had was £2.2m under trolls. Spending money does not guarantee you success. DC spent very poorly in the last 18 months, regardless of his transfer income, he also spent fees on Nichols, Payne, Burn and Mensah, who offered a poor ROI. You can’t look at those figures and say the owners didn’t back DC. They also backed GC that same year after DC left to sign who he wanted to keep us up. It’s funny the same people who criticise for not spending money are the same people that are critical for the rising debt level. Which do you want in this loss making business? I would say your man has an axe to grind. some good responses there IMO ITB. Keep 'em coming
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 1, 2020 13:34:07 GMT
I had had conversations with the club about setting up a new SC which would be in direct opposition to the existing one how are you getting on with that ITB?
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