TaiwanGas
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Post by TaiwanGas on May 29, 2020 7:39:29 GMT
It is my guess that Wael had hoped that we could become an active selling club' developing lots of young talent and selling at a profit, this of course evaporated with the demise of the Colony.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 12:10:07 GMT
Is everyone bored? We're on to the third page of supposition with no supporting facts.
Nothing new for this site though.
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basel
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Post by basel on May 29, 2020 12:28:20 GMT
Is everyone bored? We're on to the third page of supposition with no supporting facts. Nothing new for this site though. Plenty of evidence m'Lord.
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Post by splitter on May 29, 2020 12:41:09 GMT
Is everyone bored? We're on to the third page of supposition with no supporting facts. Nothing new for this site though. Plenty of evidence m'Lord. Where? It's just a supposed conversation with an unknown former employee who just happened to know all the intimate details of player's contracts. As for the "Doesn't want promotion" line, give me a break, that stupid rumour has been trotted out for every board that I can remember.
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kingswood Polak
Without music life would be a mistake
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 29, 2020 12:51:35 GMT
In total agreement. The he’s a nice bloke thing doesn’t sit well with me either as he has blocked a good many, on twitter, myself included and only for asking fairly normal questions. I asked permission to do a bucket collection for the young lad, Bailey Cooper’s family as I know they have a fairly big family and am very aware of cost of funerals. That got me blocked. I think he had good intentions & thought he’d solve everything by buying expert opinion. He really has got himself into a huge mess & I am reconciled that 3rd tier will be our level, at best. I don’t dislike him but he is out of his depth The word "reconciled" you use KP. I was disgusted at the GC departure episode. Now I've been told - and I believe - how WAQ told DC ,just before he was about to hopefully sign players for our first season back in the 3rd tier,that the cash you were told you were getting,well you ain't anymore. WAQ has been a thorough disappointment,especially when considering the 'trumpet fanfare' that accompanied his arrival. A scenario that would see me having to 'reconcile' myself to 3rd tier at best may be too much.Once the dream is dead,then what's the point.Something I'm having to consider. It has been a long time since I went just for footballing reasons but more about seeing the people I’ve met over the decades. I did allow myself to dream, especially after the daggers game but unless we get new ownership or someone who truly understands football then I don’t think things look good for the club. So long as the same people go then so will I but I’m not best pleased with the state of the club even before Covid
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basel
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Post by basel on May 29, 2020 12:52:49 GMT
Plenty of evidence m'Lord. Where? It's just a supposed conversation with an unknown former employee who just happened to know all the intimate details of player's contracts. As for the "Doesn't want promotion" line, give me a break, that stupid rumour has been trotted out for every board that I can remember. We're all entitled to believe or not.No getting away from that.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 29, 2020 12:55:23 GMT
I just wished he would have blocked off those idiots on twitter who convinced him to give DC a 5 year contract in this day and age, that cost the club a shed full. How do you think DC felt when he was hobbled by the budget promised to the budget given ? He would have spent a lot of time In looking at a certain type of player only to have to be a Poundland shopper. Our most successful manager yet still some just wish to lay blame upon him 🤪
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basel
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Post by basel on May 29, 2020 13:01:50 GMT
I just wished he would have blocked off those idiots on twitter who convinced him to give DC a 5 year contract in this day and age, that cost the club a shed full. How do you think DC felt when he was hobbled by the budget promised to the budget given ? He would have spent a lot of time In looking at a certain type of player only to have to be a Poundland shopper. Our most successful manager yet still some just wish to lay blame upon him 🤪 DC asked WAQ 'what do I entice the players I've got lined up to sign with, now the money ain't there,'? WAQ told him to use the 'training ground'. A training g ground that did'nt happen. A WAQ double fib.
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bloogas
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Post by bloogas on May 29, 2020 14:43:17 GMT
Is everyone bored? We're on to the third page of supposition with no supporting facts. Nothing new for this site though. Plenty of evidence m'Lord. So what? My first experience of the club was Don Megson coming in full of fire, getting promotion, then having it squeezed out of him as he realised the board weren't going to spend any money. Luckily for him the USA beckoned. Same story ever since.
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Post by bloogas on May 29, 2020 14:50:17 GMT
Plenty of evidence m'Lord. Where? It's just a supposed conversation with an unknown former employee who just happened to know all the intimate details of player's contracts. As for the "Doesn't want promotion" line, give me a break, that stupid rumour has been trotted out for every board that I can remember. Always amuses me that it never seems to dawn that said Ex-employee with axe to grind is spinning yarns, winding up, sensing they've got a gullible listener. Don't get me wrong - some of the core issues here true, but you need telling by a disaffected ex-employee.
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basel
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Post by basel on May 29, 2020 15:00:24 GMT
Plenty of evidence m'Lord. So what? My first experience of the club was Don Megson coming in full of fire, getting promotion, then having it squeezed out of him as he realised the board weren't going to spend any money. Luckily for him the USA beckoned. Same story ever since. I suppose the thing is not all previous Boards/owners arrived with such a triumphant fanfare.I was a believer.In pretty quick time 2 great managers were badly let down.
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basel
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Post by basel on May 29, 2020 15:03:04 GMT
Where? It's just a supposed conversation with an unknown former employee who just happened to know all the intimate details of player's contracts. As for the "Doesn't want promotion" line, give me a break, that stupid rumour has been trotted out for every board that I can remember. Always amuses me that it never seems to dawn that said Ex-employee with axe to grind is spinning yarns, winding up, sensing they've got a gullible listener. Don't get me wrong - some of the core issues here true, but you need telling by a disaffected ex-employee. I considered this,but I really don't think it's a former employee having a go at previous boss. Yep,as DrF says no proof.
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bloogas
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Post by bloogas on May 29, 2020 15:24:12 GMT
So what? My first experience of the club was Don Megson coming in full of fire, getting promotion, then having it squeezed out of him as he realised the board weren't going to spend any money. Luckily for him the USA beckoned. Same story ever since. I suppose the thing is not all previous Boards/owners arrived with such a triumphant fanfare.I was a believer.In pretty quick time 2 great managers were badly let down. Fair enough point, but I think it's we the fans who jumped to conclusions. Middle Eastern bankers? Must be loaded! Well, apparently not, and not willing to put much of what they have got in to an EFL team.
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eppinggas
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Post by eppinggas on May 29, 2020 15:43:45 GMT
I suppose the thing is not all previous Boards/owners arrived with such a triumphant fanfare.I was a believer.In pretty quick time 2 great managers were badly let down. Fair enough point, but I think it's we the fans who jumped to conclusions. Middle Eastern bankers? Must be loaded! Well, apparently not, and not willing to put much of what they have got in to an EFL team. I think Swiss did the numbers... the wealth of the Al-Qadi family was comparable to (or possibly even less) than the combined wealth of the previous Board.
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Post by swissgas on May 29, 2020 16:50:06 GMT
If Basel's contact is saying that Wael does not fulfill the commitments he makes then we have plenty of facts to back up that assertion.
The facts (accounts) also show that Wael's family have put more cash into Rovers than any previous owners but, because of his incompetence, it has been wasted.
I did look at the numbers once epping and I think it was part of my theory about the difference between total wealth and surplus wealth. If you are going to put money into football or any other lifestyle type activity IMO it has to be surplus wealth, gambling money if you like, not something which risks the financial security of your family. All our previous owners have put in money which they could afford to lose and when their limit was reached they pulled out. This happened with Martin Flook and Barry Bradshaw, the Dunfords and with Nick Higgs. They all made rational decisions to put their own financial well being first but at the same time, as Gasheads, they tried to ensure that by their leaving someone else was given the chance to take the club forward.
This time it is different and IMO, through his actions, Wael is not just endangering Rovers future but that of his own family as well.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 29, 2020 16:52:40 GMT
How do you think DC felt when he was hobbled by the budget promised to the budget given ? He would have spent a lot of time In looking at a certain type of player only to have to be a Poundland shopper. Our most successful manager yet still some just wish to lay blame upon him 🤪 DC asked WAQ 'what do I entice the players I've got lined up to sign with, now the money ain't there,'? WAQ told him to use the 'training ground'. A training g ground that did'nt happen. A WAQ double fib. DC very nearly bankrupted us with his senseless spending, perhaps if he'd managed his budget better he might still be our manager, £350K and a 3 yr contract for Nichols, £150K transfer fee paid for Payne, Bennett signed on 3.5yr/£4.5K a week contract, the list goes on. As far as GC this is a similar tale to the one he allegedly told at the Diamond Club gathering, but then BG seemed to be given a bigger wage budget, either it's cobblers or Wael want him gone so could get rid of the dour football we had to suffer week in, week out. Just unfortunate BG seems all talk.
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basel
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Post by basel on May 29, 2020 17:39:13 GMT
DC asked WAQ 'what do I entice the players I've got lined up to sign with, now the money ain't there,'? WAQ told him to use the 'training ground'. A training g ground that did'nt happen. A WAQ double fib. DC very nearly bankrupted us with his senseless spending, perhaps if he'd managed his budget better he might still be our manager, £350K and a 3 yr contract for Nichols, £150K transfer fee paid for Payne, Bennett signed on 3.5yr/£4.5K a week contract, the list goes on. As far as GC this is a similar tale to the one he allegedly told at the Diamond Club gathering, but then BG seemed to be given a bigger wage budget, either it's cobblers or Wael want him gone so could get rid of the dour football we had to suffer week in, week out. Just unfortunate BG seems all talk. Yes,DC made some poor signings, but some very good ones.He made money on eg Matt Taylor,Harrison and Bodin. GC had us playing effective football.It saved us from relegation back to the 4th and turned us into promotion challengers. But apparently that's not good enough for you and quite alot of Rovtrs supporters. I find it difficult to comprehend.
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basel
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Post by basel on May 29, 2020 17:49:05 GMT
If Basel's contact is saying that Wael does not fulfill the commitments he makes then we have plenty of facts to back up that assertion. The facts (accounts) also show that Wael's family have put more cash into Rovers than any previous owners but, because of his incompetence, it has been wasted. I did look at the numbers once epping and I think it was part of my theory about the difference between total wealth and surplus wealth. If you are going to put money into football or any other lifestyle type activity IMO it has to be surplus wealth, gambling money if you like, not something which risks the financial security of your family. All our previous owners have put in money which they could afford to lose and when their limit was reached they pulled out. This happened with Martin Flook and Barry Bradshaw, the Dunfords and with Nick Higgs. They all made rational decisions to put their own financial well being first but at the same time, as Gasheads, they tried to ensure that by their leaving someone else was given the chance to take the club forward. This time it is different and IMO, through his actions, Wael is not just endangering Rovers future but that of his own family as well. I'm on 'board' with that Swiss. Just how much gambling money has WAQ? How much can he afford to lose?
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 30, 2020 14:10:50 GMT
DC very nearly bankrupted us with his senseless spending, perhaps if he'd managed his budget better he might still be our manager, £350K and a 3 yr contract for Nichols, £150K transfer fee paid for Payne, Bennett signed on 3.5yr/£4.5K a week contract, the list goes on. As far as GC this is a similar tale to the one he allegedly told at the Diamond Club gathering, but then BG seemed to be given a bigger wage budget, either it's cobblers or Wael want him gone so could get rid of the dour football we had to suffer week in, week out. Just unfortunate BG seems all talk. Yes,DC made some poor signings, but some very good ones.He made money on eg Matt Taylor,Harrison and Bodin. GC had us playing effective football.It saved us from relegation back to the 4th and turned us into promotion challengers. But apparently that's not good enough for you and quite alot of Rovtrs supporters. I find it difficult to comprehend. Totally. Hard to take
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Post by a more piratey game on May 30, 2020 14:14:52 GMT
DC asked WAQ 'what do I entice the players I've got lined up to sign with, now the money ain't there,'? WAQ told him to use the 'training ground'. A training g ground that did'nt happen. A WAQ double fib. DC very nearly bankrupted us with his senseless spending that story about the 'missing' £1m and no training ground might explain why DC was always moaning about budgets in spite of, we can see now, having spent a lot
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