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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 27, 2020 10:50:16 GMT
[DC] got sick and tired of the fanaticist who told him we would have a training ground & stadium. Did he? He hid it very well (and very professionally) if so. I'm sure I remember DC hinting at disappointment in Dwane Sports but not at all at Wael, for whom he had only praise. Also, I don't know why your 'fanatacist' is not receiving more compliments. What a word - both fanatic and fantasist together as fanaticist. Marvellous prose, mate. But who is the face of DS my feathered friend ? I don’t think you needed any special training to listen to the post match interviews and of a man who was, I think, close to broken. He was the one who made the fox crap comments and much more. We never got close with UWE and we have had one bizarrely timed announcement about the FM but it now looks dead in the water. My view is that those that started to come back to games, after the second promotion are now, once again, staying away because they have heard it all before.
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Post by toteend3 on Feb 27, 2020 10:51:49 GMT
I don’t feel I’m being bullied but when people fail or can’t debate properly they go personal, sarcastic or try to view themselves as superior in intelligence without actually addressing the debate. It’s a common tactic. We are all guilty of it from time to time, myself included. I bear no one any harm here, in fact I find everyone’s opinion fascinating and I would happily sit down over a pint with anyone and do it face to face too. In fact questions like vertigo raised on his last point is the kind of questioning a good supporters club should be doing and working with the club to communicate to the fans. Wael for me its all been a fantastic 'tug of war' and has sparked some real life into the forum. Fair play to you for not buckling after being put under some intense pressure {hopefully BG has also got a strong backbone} for the battle ahead. Ref 4} Its all very wael having a premier league pitch on match day, but we give away home advantage as the team have to train on a bog. When wael the long suffering supporters be advised firstly on a 'fit for purpose' training ground and secondly, if the board intends to honour their commitment to provide a new stadium (I get it!}, some reassuring words would lift the mood big time! UTFG
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 27, 2020 10:52:56 GMT
Be careful, he'll tell you to Quack Off in Polish. He needn't, as I was being sincere. I'm only against new words when they're rubbish, and fanaticist was both marvellous and accurately applied to Wael. Also, our KP's a perfectly humble fellow, and a total gentleman on here. Thank you. I have always enjoyed your posts and have learned a bit from the way you write. Those that know me will know it’s no secret that English is my second language.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 10:53:19 GMT
Holts knows who I am. I don't think you know what being an apologist means, no doubt you will have Googled it by the time you post again. Not sure there's a need for more Directors, although, someone to represent our £1.2 million quid may be nice. What I said was that it looks from here as if Tom is spreading himself too thinly, hence the continual mistakes and lack of attention to detail. Whether the benefits to a L1 club that looks to be sliding backwards justifies adding additional skilled people to the payroll at this stage though is a decision that I'm glad I don't have make. I don’t need a school lesson from you and you’ll see in the context of what I wrote you know exactly what I was talking about. Well if your SC directors and committee took a humility pill and accepted it was all over for him and dropped the stupid legal action and just moved on you could have all the representation you want. Don't be like that, all I was doing was pointing out that you had used a word incorrectly. You are a bit sensitive, aren't you. They aren't my SC, I'm nothing whatsoever to do with them and haven't even been a SC member for years. It sounds like you know more than most about what it is that Ken has allegedly done? At the moment it looks like the SC are the block to representation as the FC have, I think, said that they are happy for somebody to replace Ken. I agree, it's difficult to see how Ken can have a good working relationship at Board level after this, so he should step down so that his successor can be appointed, if he then wants to continue fighting the FC he can do that at his leisure. Looks like we agree on Tom as well, he may be more effective in terms of managing detail if he were to have a lighter work load.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 27, 2020 11:04:52 GMT
I don’t feel I’m being bullied but when people fail or can’t debate properly they go personal, sarcastic or try to view themselves as superior in intelligence without actually addressing the debate. It’s a common tactic. We are all guilty of it from time to time, myself included. I bear no one any harm here, in fact I find everyone’s opinion fascinating and I would happily sit down over a pint with anyone and do it face to face too. In fact questions like vertigo raised on his last point is the kind of questioning a good supporters club should be doing and working with the club to communicate to the fans. Wael for me its all been a fantastic 'tug of war' and has sparked some real life into the forum. Fair play to you for not buckling after being put under some intense pressure {hopefully BG has also got a strong backbone} for the battle ahead. Ref 4} Its all very wael having a premier league pitch on match day, but we give away home advantage as the team have to train on a bog. When wael the long suffering supporters be advised firstly on a 'fit for purpose' training ground and secondly, if the board intends to honour their commitment to provide a new stadium (I get it!}, some reassuring words would lift the mood big time! UTFG I have been highlighting the need for a leaders statement for a good while. I believe it’s the biggest reason, alongside the teams performance, which is leading so many to speculate. When you get total silence from the club you have supported for the largest part of your life then it’s bound to lead to people speculating. I do not understand why our president has not made some kind of statement, even if just a written one. It would be a great opportunity to stop most of the stuff that is seeing our own fans arguing with one another
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 27, 2020 11:10:42 GMT
I don’t feel I’m being bullied but when people fail or can’t debate properly they go personal, sarcastic or try to view themselves as superior in intelligence without actually addressing the debate. It’s a common tactic. We are all guilty of it from time to time, myself included. I bear no one any harm here, in fact I find everyone’s opinion fascinating and I would happily sit down over a pint with anyone and do it face to face too. In fact questions like vertigo raised on his last point is the kind of questioning a good supporters club should be doing and working with the club to communicate to the fans. Fair play to you ITB. I am seeing forthright debate and I don't think there is anything that would constitute bullying. (Note if anyone feels there is bullying - please report it and the Mods will Moderate it, 'cos it's what they do). UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 11:13:25 GMT
Wael for me its all been a fantastic 'tug of war' and has sparked some real life into the forum. Fair play to you for not buckling after being put under some intense pressure {hopefully BG has also got a strong backbone} for the battle ahead. Ref 4} Its all very wael having a premier league pitch on match day, but we give away home advantage as the team have to train on a bog. When wael the long suffering supporters be advised firstly on a 'fit for purpose' training ground and secondly, if the board intends to honour their commitment to provide a new stadium (I get it!}, some reassuring words would lift the mood big time! UTFG I have been highlighting the need for a leaders statement for a good while. I believe it’s the biggest reason, alongside the teams performance, which is leading so many to speculate. When you get total silence from the club you have supported for the largest part of your life then it’s bound to lead to people speculating. I do not understand why our president has not made some kind of statement, even if just a written one. It would be a great opportunity to stop most of the stuff that is seeing our own fans arguing with one another Fans only want to know what is happening with the potential new stadium and training ground. The answer is nothing, or a little bit which they dont want to disclose. Everything is BS or laughable with fans talking about where they stand or sit and who they talk to.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 27, 2020 11:16:48 GMT
Wael for me its all been a fantastic 'tug of war' and has sparked some real life into the forum. Fair play to you for not buckling after being put under some intense pressure {hopefully BG has also got a strong backbone} for the battle ahead. Ref 4} Its all very wael having a premier league pitch on match day, but we give away home advantage as the team have to train on a bog. When wael the long suffering supporters be advised firstly on a 'fit for purpose' training ground and secondly, if the board intends to honour their commitment to provide a new stadium (I get it!}, some reassuring words would lift the mood big time! UTFG I have been highlighting the need for a leaders statement for a good while. I believe it’s the biggest reason, alongside the teams performance, which is leading so many to speculate. When you get total silence from the club you have supported for the largest part of your life then it’s bound to lead to people speculating. I do not understand why our president has not made some kind of statement, even if just a written one. It would be a great opportunity to stop most of the stuff that is seeing our own fans arguing with one another Wise words KP. The lack of leadership is indefensible, and the silence is deafening. The void it creates fuels ever more speculation. So what exactly is our illustrious owners strategy? PS. I don't think they have one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 11:29:06 GMT
I have been highlighting the need for a leaders statement for a good while. I believe it’s the biggest reason, alongside the teams performance, which is leading so many to speculate. When you get total silence from the club you have supported for the largest part of your life then it’s bound to lead to people speculating. I do not understand why our president has not made some kind of statement, even if just a written one. It would be a great opportunity to stop most of the stuff that is seeing our own fans arguing with one another Wise words KP. The lack of leadership is indefensible, and the silence is deafening. The void it creates fuels ever more speculation. So what exactly is our illustrious owners strategy? PS. I don't think they have one. Does leadership extend to fans and supporters? I think not. But communication is important, they are truly awful at this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 11:55:27 GMT
Regarding the coughlan phone call.
Coughlan could only phone wael or starnes begging for his job back. So then starnes/wael blabs to players about the phone call.
Its either total rubbish or very shabby from the top management at the club. Also i dont think his position was untenable after ipswich so if he wanted his job back then why not do that? We were 4th having just won at ipswich.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 12:02:01 GMT
Regarding the coughlan phone call. Coughlan could only phone wael or starnes begging for his job back. So then starnes/wael blabs to players about the phone call. Its either total rubbish or very shabby from the top management at the club. Also i dont think his position was untenable after ipswich so if he wanted his job back then why not do that? We were 4th having just won at ipswich. Unless that story can be verified, why should we believe any of it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 12:06:32 GMT
To "irene" 1] you may not have a literal agenda your just very pro owner. 2] The phone call is just utter rubbish in my view and if i were you i would have dismissed it as such and forgot all about it. 3] Whats the very experienced waste of space mark little earning? i mean just for balance. 4] i can accept because i am also taking the view that they are trying their best. But every supporter wants to know. a] whats happening about the stadium we need? b] whats going on with the training ground? c] What are the owners going to do about the debt we are in? 1. Finally, we agree I have no agenda, I’m just supporting the club. 2. Fair enough I’ll take your point. I don’t think it is by any stretch. 3. I don’t know, I haven’t asked or been told. I think Lits has had a poor season but also he’s been fighting with injuries. Feel a bit sorry for him on that score. 4. If you went to the fans forum last night, you could have asked all those questions. But surely you have already asked them those questions? I mean you right there with them.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 27, 2020 12:07:20 GMT
I have been highlighting the need for a leaders statement for a good while. I believe it’s the biggest reason, alongside the teams performance, which is leading so many to speculate. When you get total silence from the club you have supported for the largest part of your life then it’s bound to lead to people speculating. I do not understand why our president has not made some kind of statement, even if just a written one. It would be a great opportunity to stop most of the stuff that is seeing our own fans arguing with one another Fans only want to know what is happening with the potential new stadium and training ground. The answer is nothing, or a little bit which they dont want to disclose. Everything is BS or laughable with fans talking about where they stand or sit and who they talk to. I agree but would add that a fair few would like to know if we can rely upon the debts being continued to be paid/underwritten.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 27, 2020 12:12:57 GMT
I have been highlighting the need for a leaders statement for a good while. I believe it’s the biggest reason, alongside the teams performance, which is leading so many to speculate. When you get total silence from the club you have supported for the largest part of your life then it’s bound to lead to people speculating. I do not understand why our president has not made some kind of statement, even if just a written one. It would be a great opportunity to stop most of the stuff that is seeing our own fans arguing with one another Wise words KP. The lack of leadership is indefensible, and the silence is deafening. The void it creates fuels ever more speculation. So what exactly is our illustrious owners strategy? PS. I don't think they have one. I could only answer that by speculating, this is where we are due to the awful lack of communication and direction. I really don’t see why we can’t have some kind of mission statement ? I was asked to give 5 year plans when in junior management, in sales. I just don’t get it and, of course, it just leads to many just feeling we are not ambitious and lack direction. The truth is that no one knows, just snippets of things that no one can corroborate
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 27, 2020 12:27:36 GMT
Regarding the coughlan phone call. Coughlan could only phone wael or starnes begging for his job back. So then starnes/wael blabs to players about the phone call. Its either total rubbish or very shabby from the top management at the club. Also i dont think his position was untenable after ipswich so if he wanted his job back then why not do that? We were 4th having just won at ipswich. Who knows what happened. depending on details and timelines, It's not completely inconceivable that a manager might tell some of the senior players that he wanted to come back and hope they might speak up for him in the situation we were in
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 12:41:44 GMT
Regarding the coughlan phone call. Coughlan could only phone wael or starnes begging for his job back. So then starnes/wael blabs to players about the phone call. Its either total rubbish or very shabby from the top management at the club. Also i dont think his position was untenable after ipswich so if he wanted his job back then why not do that? We were 4th having just won at ipswich. Who knows what happened. depending on details and timelines, It's not completely inconceivable that a manager might tell some of the senior players that he wanted to come back and hope they might speak up for him in the situation we were in
Coughlan never struck me as the type of person to come grovelling for his job back to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 12:59:28 GMT
Fans only want to know what is happening with the potential new stadium and training ground. The answer is nothing, or a little bit which they dont want to disclose. Everything is BS or laughable with fans talking about where they stand or sit and who they talk to. I agree but would add that a fair few would like to know if we can rely upon the debts being continued to be paid/underwritten. How do you underwrite a debt owed to yourself...
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Post by Curly Wurly on Feb 27, 2020 13:03:56 GMT
Happy to be corrected, but I thought that there were regulations around how payment was collected from attendees at football matches. If that's the case, I would be just staggered if 'Some geezer in a Hi-Viz' walking up and down a line asking who has paid and who hasn't, then shoving the cash in his pocket, fully satisfied all of the criteria All I can say is that I have seen it happen. I can’t tell you what happened to it. I have seen it happen on 2 occasions Totally without foundation, but I have a strong suspicion that some of the voices most unhappy with the current off-the-field set up were affected by the removal of this type of 'perk'
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 13:05:46 GMT
All I can say is that I have seen it happen. I can’t tell you what happened to it. I have seen it happen on 2 occasions Totally without foundation, but I have a strong suspicion that some of the voices most unhappy with the current off-the-field set up were affected by the removal of this type of 'perk' Rumours rumours
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Post by Curly Wurly on Feb 27, 2020 13:18:12 GMT
Regarding the coughlan phone call. Coughlan could only phone wael or starnes begging for his job back. So then starnes/wael blabs to players about the phone call. Its either total rubbish or very shabby from the top management at the club. Also i dont think his position was untenable after ipswich so if he wanted his job back then why not do that? We were 4th having just won at ipswich. Unless Coughlan told the player?
I don't know if the phone call was made or not, but I would agree that there was nothing untenable about GC keeping his job if he apologised for the outburst. His remarkable record had earned him that.
We could all see that the guy was conflicted from his interview alone, but remember that he had, on more than one occasion wondered what he had to do to please the very vocal minority of fans that continued to criticise him, despite the fantastic on the field record. Family pressure + lack of support from the fan base were the main contributors to GC leaving in my opinion - more so than any action by the board of 2.
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