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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 16:41:29 GMT
Don't really understand the highlighted bit. If the owner of the facility was covering maintenance and upkeep he would have nothing left from the rental income, if the renter is paying those costs then his outlay is (in round terms) doubled. Or are you saying that we are paying the same now as we will in future, if we own the site then it has a rental / sale value, you can't just ignore that. Can you clarify whatever point you are trying to make there please? Simply that it will cost us roughly the same to maintain our own facility (maintain the pitches and the gym, clean the facilities etc) as it cost us to rent Cribbs, especially as the set up at Cribbs seemed to be fairly basic. This assumption is completely baseless though. OK, thanks for the clarification. I don't agree, but thanks for confirming your thought anyway. You still then have the problem that lots of businesses face, namely, interdepartmental costs. If Dept 1 is using Dept 2's facilities and not paying market rate then you aren't being honest with yourself about business performance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 16:49:50 GMT
I could never understand why Dwane Sports spent so much yet invested so little. Surely bankers should want to invest not to spend? Infrastructure is investment. Wages are expenditure. Wages are vital, but BRFC have been wasteful in their expenditure. That Dwane's World is finally building something is just great. My only concern is that BRFC don't own it. I can only think of one reason for that.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 10, 2020 17:00:28 GMT
Until we get to the start of next season we've no real idea what squad BG intends building, it's just guess work BG's going to slash the budget, he must know he needs to put together a competitive squad or he'll be out of a job before the end of the year. It would seem a strange decision to risk being relegated whilst spending £m's developing a decent training ground so that we can become a competitive L1 side. MS seem to know how to run a succesful L1 club, assuming Wael's prepared to listen to him then do we really need more wasters like Hamer making a killing out of Rovers? Garner has already turned 1 winning squad into the football equivalent of The Keystone Cops. I don't mean this is a nasty way, but do you honestly have any confidence in him being able to assemble a squad when he has the worst record of any manager, ever, in our entire history? Starnes arrived long before Garner. Garner is still here, Starnes is still our CEO, Starnes has obviously failed to recognise that Garner is miles out of his depth, or can't convince Wael of it, so it's hard to get too enthusiastic about Starnes leading us to a bright new future. I've no idea what to think TBH, the only hope is that with Wriddington's guidance, assuming BG's prepared to take any, is that he'll put together a balanced squad, whether he can get them to perform is another matter. Even if Starnes feels BG is totally out of his depth then he can hardly sack him without Wael's agreement. As BG says himself, he'll have no excuses if he fails again next season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 17:07:35 GMT
I could never understand why Dwane Sports spent so much yet invested so little. Surely bankers should want to invest not to spend? Infrastructure is investment. Wages are expenditure. Wages are vital, but BRFC have been wasteful in their expenditure. That Dwane's World is finally building something is just great. My only concern is that BRFC don't own it. I can only think of one reason for that. Not entirely, you do need to pay competent people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 17:11:25 GMT
Garner has already turned 1 winning squad into the football equivalent of The Keystone Cops. I don't mean this is a nasty way, but do you honestly have any confidence in him being able to assemble a squad when he has the worst record of any manager, ever, in our entire history? Starnes arrived long before Garner. Garner is still here, Starnes is still our CEO, Starnes has obviously failed to recognise that Garner is miles out of his depth, or can't convince Wael of it, so it's hard to get too enthusiastic about Starnes leading us to a bright new future. I've no idea what to think TBH, the only hope is that with Wriddington's guidance, assuming BG's prepared to take any, is that he'll put together a balanced squad, whether he can get them to perform is another matter. Even if Starnes feels BG is totally out of his depth then he can hardly sack him without Wael's agreement. As BG says himself, he'll have no excuses if he fails again next season. Can't argue with that. We've been a total shambles under Garner, and the players have looked disinterested, like they just haven't bought in to whatever it is he's trying to do, but the day football stops surprising me will be the day I give up on it, so we'll probably win our next 5 convincingly and I'll have every negative thing I've posted about the bloke for the last 6 months rammed down my throat
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 21:11:26 GMT
I could never understand why Dwane Sports spent so much yet invested so little. Surely bankers should want to invest not to spend? Infrastructure is investment. Wages are expenditure. Wages are vital, but BRFC have been wasteful in their expenditure. That Dwane's World is finally building something is just great. My only concern is that BRFC don't own it. I can only think of one reason for that. Not entirely, you do need to pay competent people. Again, 'Wages are vital, but BRFC have been wasteful in their expenditure.'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 22:14:28 GMT
Not entirely, you do need to pay competent people. Again, 'Wages are vital, but BRFC have been wasteful in their expenditure.' Care to give some examples of who the wrong people have been and some figures?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 4:08:45 GMT
Care to give some examples of who the wrong people have been and some figures? No, thank you, foolly. I don't care. I come on here mainly to keep up-to-date with Rovers news and also to converse with a wide range of gasheads. Sometimes this involves me (and others who aren't you) expressing a different opinion. A forensic examination with only one Guzzler doesn't really appeal. I obviously don't have the time on here that you do. For others interested in my view (you're not of course just wanting to prove me wrong or stupid as seems essential to you) I think anyone employed by BRFC in London, anyone employed as a consultant to a project not even undertaken, and paying a salary to both an executive chairman and a CEO (who seem not to have been working on the same 'side') for some time, to be wasted expenditure. There have also been costly failures in terms of the playing recruitment. But since I don't have a clue about the figures, my point is wrong and yours right of course. Despite the club running up massively increased debts without building anything permanent, which I would have thought was evidence enough of wasted wage and rent expenditure. Increasing debt to increase a total wage bill and rent in London scares me, anyway. But I failed you, you win, and the conversation is again over. Enjoy your reply. I'm off to work.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 11, 2020 7:57:36 GMT
Care to give some examples of who the wrong people have been and some figures? No, thank you, foolly. I don't care. I come on here mainly to keep up-to-date with Rovers news and also to converse with a wide range of gasheads. Sometimes this involves me (and others who aren't you) expressing a different opinion. A forensic examination with only one Guzzler doesn't really appeal. I obviously don't have the time on here that you do. For others interested in my view (you're not of course just wanting to prove me wrong or stupid as seems essential to you) I think anyone employed by BRFC in London, anyone employed as a consultant to a project not even undertaken, and paying a salary to both an executive chairman and a CEO (who seem not to have been working on the same 'side') for some time, to be wasted expenditure. There have also been costly failures in terms of the playing recruitment. But since I don't have a clue about the figures, my point is wrong and yours right of course. Despite the club running up massively increased debts without building anything permanent, which I would have thought was evidence enough of wasted wage and rent expenditure. Increasing debt to increase a total wage bill and rent in London scares me, anyway. But I failed you, you win, and the conversation is again over. Enjoy your reply. I'm off to work. Shovels, you should know better than to nibble on the bread. You know it's not good for you
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 9:22:16 GMT
Care to give some examples of who the wrong people have been and some figures? No, thank you, foolly. I don't care. I come on here mainly to keep up-to-date with Rovers news and also to converse with a wide range of gasheads. Sometimes this involves me (and others who aren't you) expressing a different opinion. A forensic examination with only one Guzzler doesn't really appeal. I obviously don't have the time on here that you do. For others interested in my view (you're not of course just wanting to prove me wrong or stupid as seems essential to you) I think anyone employed by BRFC in London, anyone employed as a consultant to a project not even undertaken, and paying a salary to both an executive chairman and a CEO (who seem not to have been working on the same 'side') for some time, to be wasted expenditure. There have also been costly failures in terms of the playing recruitment. But since I don't have a clue about the figures, my point is wrong and yours right of course. Despite the club running up massively increased debts without building anything permanent, which I would have thought was evidence enough of wasted wage and rent expenditure. Increasing debt to increase a total wage bill and rent in London scares me, anyway. But I failed you, you win, and the conversation is again over. Enjoy your reply. I'm off to work. Very clever. But wasn't the London office given up some time ago? Obviously you do care otherwise you wouldn't have thrown the mud in the first place. I'm guessing you are talking about Hamer, maybe you should consider why he was here in the first place. You think that all money spent on due diligence and pricing / planning projects is wasted. OK then. You made the statement, not me, so it's not unreasonable to ask what you meant by it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 10:49:30 GMT
No, thank you, foolly. I don't care. I come on here mainly to keep up-to-date with Rovers news and also to converse with a wide range of gasheads. Sometimes this involves me (and others who aren't you) expressing a different opinion. A forensic examination with only one Guzzler doesn't really appeal. I obviously don't have the time on here that you do. For others interested in my view (you're not of course just wanting to prove me wrong or stupid as seems essential to you) I think anyone employed by BRFC in London, anyone employed as a consultant to a project not even undertaken, and paying a salary to both an executive chairman and a CEO (who seem not to have been working on the same 'side') for some time, to be wasted expenditure. There have also been costly failures in terms of the playing recruitment. But since I don't have a clue about the figures, my point is wrong and yours right of course. Despite the club running up massively increased debts without building anything permanent, which I would have thought was evidence enough of wasted wage and rent expenditure. Increasing debt to increase a total wage bill and rent in London scares me, anyway. But I failed you, you win, and the conversation is again over. Enjoy your reply. I'm off to work. Shovels, you should know better than to nibble on the bread. You know it's not good for you Precisely
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 13, 2020 14:19:53 GMT
Care to give some examples of who the wrong people have been and some figures? No, thank you, foolly. I don't care. I come on here mainly to keep up-to-date with Rovers news and also to converse with a wide range of gasheads. Sometimes this involves me (and others who aren't you) expressing a different opinion. A forensic examination with only one Guzzler doesn't really appeal. I obviously don't have the time on here that you do. For others interested in my view (you're not of course just wanting to prove me wrong or stupid as seems essential to you) I think anyone employed by BRFC in London, anyone employed as a consultant to a project not even undertaken, and paying a salary to both an executive chairman and a CEO (who seem not to have been working on the same 'side') for some time, to be wasted expenditure. There have also been costly failures in terms of the playing recruitment. But since I don't have a clue about the figures, my point is wrong and yours right of course. Despite the club running up massively increased debts without building anything permanent, which I would have thought was evidence enough of wasted wage and rent expenditure. Increasing debt to increase a total wage bill and rent in London scares me, anyway. But I failed you, you win, and the conversation is again over. Enjoy your reply. I'm off to work. Spot on. None of us know the figures but it’s very evident there has been massive waste
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 13, 2020 14:27:30 GMT
No, thank you, foolly. I don't care. I come on here mainly to keep up-to-date with Rovers news and also to converse with a wide range of gasheads. Sometimes this involves me (and others who aren't you) expressing a different opinion. A forensic examination with only one Guzzler doesn't really appeal. I obviously don't have the time on here that you do. For others interested in my view (you're not of course just wanting to prove me wrong or stupid as seems essential to you) I think anyone employed by BRFC in London, anyone employed as a consultant to a project not even undertaken, and paying a salary to both an executive chairman and a CEO (who seem not to have been working on the same 'side') for some time, to be wasted expenditure. There have also been costly failures in terms of the playing recruitment. But since I don't have a clue about the figures, my point is wrong and yours right of course. Despite the club running up massively increased debts without building anything permanent, which I would have thought was evidence enough of wasted wage and rent expenditure. Increasing debt to increase a total wage bill and rent in London scares me, anyway. But I failed you, you win, and the conversation is again over. Enjoy your reply. I'm off to work. Very clever. But wasn't the London office given up some time ago? Obviously you do care otherwise you wouldn't have thrown the mud in the first place. I'm guessing you are talking about Hamer, maybe you should consider why he was here in the first place. You think that all money spent on due diligence and pricing / planning projects is wasted. OK then. You made the statement, not me, so it's not unreasonable to ask what you meant by it. I do know that Cunnah told the family that it was not feasible project. There were a number of advisors who came and left, it left the impression that Wael felt he could buy progress. The waste is evident although the accounts don’t show the figures of each advisor.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 13, 2020 14:28:46 GMT
Very clever. But wasn't the London office given up some time ago? Obviously you do care otherwise you wouldn't have thrown the mud in the first place. I'm guessing you are talking about Hamer, maybe you should consider why he was here in the first place. You think that all money spent on due diligence and pricing / planning projects is wasted. OK then. You made the statement, not me, so it's not unreasonable to ask what you meant by it. I do know that Cunnah told the family that it was not feasible project. There were a number of advisors who came and left, it left the impression that Wael felt he could buy progress. The waste is evident although the accounts don’t show the figures of each advisor. if that was the advice it sounds like his fees were money well spent
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 13, 2020 14:35:27 GMT
I do know that Cunnah told the family that it was not feasible project. There were a number of advisors who came and left, it left the impression that Wael felt he could buy progress. The waste is evident although the accounts don’t show the figures of each advisor. if that was the advice it sounds like his fees were money well spent If he were listened to then yes but it wasn’t. I don’t think anyone can say Wael didn’t try
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 15, 2020 16:31:37 GMT
Sam Frost today on things fruity...
It’s not done – as in, there are no new owners of the site at St Philip's Marsh – but as we’ve said since we first broke the story last August, it’s all looking very positive and hopefully there’ll be an announcement of some kind soon.
We would like to give a timescale but, honestly, we thought this may have been done at the start of the year so we’re not putting our names to anything just yet!
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 16, 2020 8:58:30 GMT
Sam Frost today on things fruity... It’s not done – as in, there are no new owners of the site at St Philip's Marsh – but as we’ve said since we first broke the story last August, it’s all looking very positive and hopefully there’ll be an announcement of some kind soon. We would like to give a timescale but, honestly, we thought this may have been done at the start of the year so we’re not putting our names to anything just yet! My normal (debatable) reaction would be: Bulls*it. Again. However the public statement from Martyn Starnes gives it more credence. "If" this does not happen - that would leave Martyn with zero credibility in my books. I am actually leaning towards the Fruit Bowl happening. Whether it is ever going to deliver sustainability with non-match day revenue is the really "tricky" bit... but that's not my problem. Good luck Wael.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 10:04:17 GMT
Four months to go.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 16, 2020 10:15:46 GMT
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Post by irishrover on Jun 16, 2020 10:47:58 GMT
Sam Frost today on things fruity... It’s not done – as in, there are no new owners of the site at St Philip's Marsh – but as we’ve said since we first broke the story last August, it’s all looking very positive and hopefully there’ll be an announcement of some kind soon. We would like to give a timescale but, honestly, we thought this may have been done at the start of the year so we’re not putting our names to anything just yet! My normal (debatable) reaction would be: Bulls*it. Again. However the public statement from Martyn Starnes gives it more credence. "If" this does not happen - that would leave Martyn with zero credibility in my books. I am actually leaning towards the Fruit Bowl happening. Whether it is ever going to deliver sustainability with non-match day revenue is the really "tricky" bit... but that's not my problem. Good luck Wael. I'm not sure that, as Rovers fans, we have a very good handle on what 'happening' means in this intance anymore. To most people I think 'happening' = stadium getting built. Having done through years of this stuff I think most of us now think 'happening = the start of yet another long and tedious process that will probably lead to very little'.
I've been a big fans of Sam Frost's coverage of all of this - some actual journalism for once from the Post. But I don't think it's unreasonable to say that even in this is true then it sounds tremendously complicated and full of potential pitfalls that could kibosh the whole thing.
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