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Post by irenestoyboy on Jan 30, 2020 11:33:20 GMT
The club President uses a proxy on here .Is it gashead 1981 , irenestoyboy or Lord Haw Haw of Jordan? SMH. 🙄🙄 |
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jan 30, 2020 11:41:27 GMT
Yes indeed ITB has made his position perfectly clear on here however may I suggest you look in depth at his posts GC I have done and I have no problem with his stance. I don't agree with everything he says, but it seems pretty clear to me that he is representing his own views. Some of it in support of Wael, but particularly calling out the whispering campaign of those 5th columnists that would seek to undermine the President.
You may disagree, but at least he is open about why he holds those views. I'm afraid that the same cannot be said for many on the other side of the argument.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jan 30, 2020 11:45:51 GMT
I’ve caught Hamer on the forum with one user name, mainly because he gave himself away, I won’t say how, but he did. The same style of posting, including grammatical errors and comprehension construction is consistent with other posts that get written. Then you look at what the posts are about it’s 97% slagging the owners or MS directly it confirms the suspicions. When you call him out, he never uses that user name again. It’s so obvious to spot. So whilst I don’t know it’s 100% him, it’s a 99.9% nailed on guess based on experience and not just by me either, a couple of the other mods are wise to it as well. It’s Conduct not become of any club or former club chairman and it creates division. If you’re gonna slag someone off, have the goolies to do it to their face or at least offer the service. Hang on. You say conclusively that you have "caught Hamer", and then say "I don't know it's 100% him, it's a 99.9% nailed on guess", which is a complete contradiction as a stand alone statement! Which username(s) are you referring to? If they stopped posting then I guess we can assume you were 'right'. So which one(s) are they? If you are correct - then yes, I agree that using a forum by a Club Chairman is totally inappropriate / unprofessional. I always thought that it was quite entertaining when Geoff Dunford was active on the old forum. But then Geoff was open that it was him posting and it did turn sour in the end. |
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jan 30, 2020 11:51:53 GMT
... In my experience of modding posts, people that have grumbles, issues or want something changed always post a solution alongside it, what they would like to see. Posters rarely and continuously jab at individuals or club employees on a personal level. .... I can think of plenty of examples where there are repeated posts, no solution and the jabs have been very personal, but hey ho.
I do think it quite funny to think of dear old Corinthian SH, sat in his underpants at his keyboard thinking up different user names to take a swipe at the Al Qadi's
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 30, 2020 11:54:16 GMT
Hang on. You say conclusively that you have "caught Hamer", and then say "I don't know it's 100% him, it's a 99.9% nailed on guess", which is a complete contradiction as a stand alone statement! Which username(s) are you referring to? If they stopped posting then I guess we can assume you were 'right'. So which one(s) are they? If you are correct - then yes, I agree that using a forum by a Club Chairman is totally inappropriate / unprofessional. I always thought that it was quite entertaining when Geoff Dunford was active on the old forum. But then Geoff was open that it was him posting and it did turn sour in the end. Geoff was quite good in the early days, but as you say it got sour eventually because many of us had our issues with things.
Early on it was quite a novel thing and the interaction was welcome and good natured and even the early disagreements were respected in the main
Even back then was simpler times, the behemoth that is social media nowadays and the many voices ready to say anything and everything at the drop of a hat and the instant reaction to everything makes that sort of interaction difficult (Although not impossible)
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 30, 2020 12:57:47 GMT
I always thought that it was quite entertaining when Geoff Dunford was active on the old forum. But then Geoff was open that it was him posting and it did turn sour in the end. Geoff was quite good in the early days, but as you say it got sour eventually because many of us had our issues with things.
Early on it was quite a novel thing and the interaction was welcome and good natured and even the early disagreements were respected in the main
Even back then was simpler times, the behemoth that is social media nowadays and the many voices ready to say anything and everything at the drop of a hat and the instant reaction to everything makes that sort of interaction difficult (Although not impossible)
One of the things that can lead to problems is that some will just, by default, believe anything they read and not bother to do any research, even if just a quick websearch |
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Post by fanatical on Jan 30, 2020 13:19:18 GMT
So why do you constantly say posts are by Steve Hamer? Please, do enlighten me/us as you certainly like to throw his name around, don’t you I’ve caught Hamer on the forum with one user name, mainly because he gave himself away, I won’t say how, but he did. The same style of posting, including grammatical errors and comprehension construction is consistent with other posts that get written. Then you look at what the posts are about it’s 97% slagging the owners or MS directly it confirms the suspicions. When you call him out, he never uses that user name again. It’s so obvious to spot. So whilst I don’t know it’s 100% him, it’s a 99.9% nailed on guess based on experience and not just by me either, a couple of the other mods are wise to it as well. It’s Conduct not become of any club or former club chairman and it creates division. If you’re gonna slag someone off, have the goolies to do it to their face or at least offer the service. I do find this view hypocritical on a 'forum' where a to use a pseudonym is actually encouraged. (as you know I think all contributors should post under their own name) And as for saying you have 'caught' someone doing exactly what the system encourages I find rather mystifying. Mr Hamer (if he does) is surely as entitled as anyone to use the forum to post a point of view or an opinion, (particularly as other directors and the owners do) but if you disagree perhaps that rule should also apply to a moderator (which I gather you are one) who by inference should be neutral? NB: From Wikipedia What does being a moderator mean?
A discussion moderator or debate moderator is a person whose role is to act as a neutral participant in a debate or discussion.
I have read on so many occasions on here a moderator reminding a poster to attack the post and not the poster, and also not to attack individuals which if you are fair minded you will agree you often do as far as Mr Hamer and Ken Masters are concerned. Whilst I am about it, perhaps you should be reminded (as I am sure you already know) that any financial commitment of over ÂŁ20,000 by the Football Club has to be approved by the whole Board and receive clearance by Hani Al-Qadi? This is important because you often attribute spending commitments which you and others feel were wrong (ie; transfer fees) to Mr Hamer, but they all have to have had approval from the owners and colleagues. |
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Post by irishrover on Jan 30, 2020 13:41:55 GMT
I’ve caught Hamer on the forum with one user name, mainly because he gave himself away, I won’t say how, but he did. The same style of posting, including grammatical errors and comprehension construction is consistent with other posts that get written. Then you look at what the posts are about it’s 97% slagging the owners or MS directly it confirms the suspicions. When you call him out, he never uses that user name again. It’s so obvious to spot. So whilst I don’t know it’s 100% him, it’s a 99.9% nailed on guess based on experience and not just by me either, a couple of the other mods are wise to it as well. It’s Conduct not become of any club or former club chairman and it creates division. If you’re gonna slag someone off, have the goolies to do it to their face or at least offer the service. I do find this view hypocritical on a 'forum' where a to use a pseudonym is actually encouraged. (as you know I think all contributors should post under their own name) Ummm......... |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Jan 30, 2020 15:56:07 GMT
I’ve caught Hamer on the forum with one user name, mainly because he gave himself away, I won’t say how, but he did. The same style of posting, including grammatical errors and comprehension construction is consistent with other posts that get written. Then you look at what the posts are about it’s 97% slagging the owners or MS directly it confirms the suspicions. When you call him out, he never uses that user name again. It’s so obvious to spot. So whilst I don’t know it’s 100% him, it’s a 99.9% nailed on guess based on experience and not just by me either, a couple of the other mods are wise to it as well. It’s Conduct not become of any club or former club chairman and it creates division. If you’re gonna slag someone off, have the goolies to do it to their face or at least offer the service. I do find this view hypocritical on a 'forum' where a to use a pseudonym is actually encouraged. (as you know I think all contributors should post under their own name) And as for saying you have 'caught' someone doing exactly what the system encourages I find rather mystifying. Mr Hamer (if he does) is surely as entitled as anyone to use the forum to post a point of view or an opinion, (particularly as other directors and the owners do) but if you disagree perhaps that rule should also apply to a moderator (which I gather you are one) who by inference should be neutral? NB: From Wikipedia What does being a moderator mean?
A discussion moderator or debate moderator is a person whose role is to act as a neutral participant in a debate or discussion.
I have read on so many occasions on here a moderator reminding a poster to attack the post and not the poster, and also not to attack individuals which if you are fair minded you will agree you often do as far as Mr Hamer and Ken Masters are concerned. Whilst I am about it, perhaps you should be reminded (as I am sure you already know) that any financial commitment of over £20,000 by the Football Club has to be approved by the whole Board and receive clearance by Hani Al-Qadi? This is important because you often attribute spending commitments which you and others feel were wrong (ie; transfer fees) to Mr Hamer, but they all have to have had approval from the owners and colleagues. I don’t mind an opinion Fanatical, and we have traded blows many times and had our own difference of opinion, but when has that ended up ever personal? And then repeated, and repeated and repeated, add infinitum. We state our opinions based on what we know to be true. But when Hamer comes to the forums he doesn’t do that. I wouldn’t mind if he gave reasons for his opinion or, like you, came on the forum, told us who he was and spoke with the authority and knowledge he has. But he doesn’t, it’s just boring, depressing mudslinging from behind a keyboard which is childish and we don’t need 15 threads on any forum with them all saying the same thing. RE your last paragraph, I don’t attribute all the blame at SH door for the debt, because obviously it isn’t his fault and that lays at the ALQs door too. But the chairman should advise the owners accordingly as well and control the spend. My main issue though was the waste of the playing budget in the last 18months of his reign. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 30, 2020 17:00:40 GMT
I’ve caught Hamer on the forum with one user name, mainly because he gave himself away, I won’t say how, but he did. The same style of posting, including grammatical errors and comprehension construction is consistent with other posts that get written. Then you look at what the posts are about it’s 97% slagging the owners or MS directly it confirms the suspicions. When you call him out, he never uses that user name again. It’s so obvious to spot. So whilst I don’t know it’s 100% him, it’s a 99.9% nailed on guess based on experience and not just by me either, a couple of the other mods are wise to it as well. It’s Conduct not become of any club or former club chairman and it creates division. If you’re gonna slag someone off, have the goolies to do it to their face or at least offer the service. I do find this view hypocritical on a 'forum' where a to use a pseudonym is actually encouraged. (as you know I think all contributors should post under their own name) And as for saying you have 'caught' someone doing exactly what the system encourages I find rather mystifying. Mr Hamer (if he does) is surely as entitled as anyone to use the forum to post a point of view or an opinion, (particularly as other directors and the owners do) but if you disagree perhaps that rule should also apply to a moderator (which I gather you are one) who by inference should be neutral? NB: From Wikipedia What does being a moderator mean?
A discussion moderator or debate moderator is a person whose role is to act as a neutral participant in a debate or discussion.
I have read on so many occasions on here a moderator reminding a poster to attack the post and not the poster, and also not to attack individuals which if you are fair minded you will agree you often do as far as Mr Hamer and Ken Masters are concerned. Whilst I am about it, perhaps you should be reminded (as I am sure you already know) that any financial commitment of over ÂŁ20,000 by the Football Club has to be approved by the whole Board and receive clearance by Hani Al-Qadi? This is important because you often attribute spending commitments which you and others feel were wrong (ie; transfer fees) to Mr Hamer, but they all have to have had approval from the owners and colleagues. why don't you post under your own name then out of interest? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 17:13:11 GMT
I do find this view hypocritical on a 'forum' where a to use a pseudonym is actually encouraged. (as you know I think all contributors should post under their own name) And as for saying you have 'caught' someone doing exactly what the system encourages I find rather mystifying. Mr Hamer (if he does) is surely as entitled as anyone to use the forum to post a point of view or an opinion, (particularly as other directors and the owners do) but if you disagree perhaps that rule should also apply to a moderator (which I gather you are one) who by inference should be neutral? NB: From Wikipedia What does being a moderator mean?
A discussion moderator or debate moderator is a person whose role is to act as a neutral participant in a debate or discussion.
I have read on so many occasions on here a moderator reminding a poster to attack the post and not the poster, and also not to attack individuals which if you are fair minded you will agree you often do as far as Mr Hamer and Ken Masters are concerned. Whilst I am about it, perhaps you should be reminded (as I am sure you already know) that any financial commitment of over ÂŁ20,000 by the Football Club has to be approved by the whole Board and receive clearance by Hani Al-Qadi? This is important because you often attribute spending commitments which you and others feel were wrong (ie; transfer fees) to Mr Hamer, but they all have to have had approval from the owners and colleagues. why don't you post under your own name then out of interest? Is that called a logic bomb? Love it  |
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Post by fanatical on Jan 30, 2020 18:14:06 GMT
I do find this view hypocritical on a 'forum' where a to use a pseudonym is actually encouraged. (as you know I think all contributors should post under their own name) And as for saying you have 'caught' someone doing exactly what the system encourages I find rather mystifying. Mr Hamer (if he does) is surely as entitled as anyone to use the forum to post a point of view or an opinion, (particularly as other directors and the owners do) but if you disagree perhaps that rule should also apply to a moderator (which I gather you are one) who by inference should be neutral? NB: From Wikipedia What does being a moderator mean?
A discussion moderator or debate moderator is a person whose role is to act as a neutral participant in a debate or discussion.
I have read on so many occasions on here a moderator reminding a poster to attack the post and not the poster, and also not to attack individuals which if you are fair minded you will agree you often do as far as Mr Hamer and Ken Masters are concerned. Whilst I am about it, perhaps you should be reminded (as I am sure you already know) that any financial commitment of over £20,000 by the Football Club has to be approved by the whole Board and receive clearance by Hani Al-Qadi? This is important because you often attribute spending commitments which you and others feel were wrong (ie; transfer fees) to Mr Hamer, but they all have to have had approval from the owners and colleagues. I don’t mind an opinion Fanatical, and we have traded blows many times and had our own difference of opinion, but when has that ended up ever personal? And then repeated, and repeated and repeated, add infinitum. We state our opinions based on what we know to be true. But when Hamer comes to the forums he doesn’t do that. I wouldn’t mind if he gave reasons for his opinion or, like you, came on the forum, told us who he was and spoke with the authority and knowledge he has. But he doesn’t, it’s just boring, depressing mudslinging from behind a keyboard which is childish and we don’t need 15 threads on any forum with them all saying the same thing. RE your last paragraph, I don’t attribute all the blame at SH door for the debt, because obviously it isn’t his fault and that lays at the ALQs door too. But the chairman should advise the owners accordingly as well and control the spend. My main issue though was the waste of the playing budget in the last 18months of his reign. I have no information re Mr Hamer's activity on the forums and therefore cannot agree or disagree but as a moderator do you have indisputable evidence for what you say? What I do know however, is that an owner of a business has more power than a Chairman. (share power beats all which is as it should be). The ultimate spending control surely is theirs, and has been, since the Al-Qadi family purchased the Football Club, and knowing how much control Wael Al-Qadi has in hiring, firing, and generally, which is as it should be, the ultimate buck has to stop there! At my formal meetings with Wael Al-Qadi I can have no doubt of that. |
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Post by The Concept on Jan 30, 2020 19:37:29 GMT
Hang on. You say conclusively that you have "caught Hamer", and then say "I don't know it's 100% him, it's a 99.9% nailed on guess", which is a complete contradiction as a stand alone statement! Which username(s) are you referring to? If they stopped posting then I guess we can assume you were 'right'. So which one(s) are they? If you are correct - then yes, I agree that using a forum by a Club Chairman is totally inappropriate / unprofessional. I caught him where I 100% knew it was him because he gave himself away. As per my first line. The other user names that have been used he hasn't said anything that has definitely given himself away personally but when you look at subject (which is mostly club/board bashing and individual attacks on Wael or MS), the construction of the post, the grammar, its too close to be coincidence. There are also a small number of football related posts to make it look genuine. Its an all too familiar pattern and like I said, its not just me that notices it. Of the user names I can remember there was Maddog, UTG12, Blue Camel, most recently its been Horfield and then up popped gasometer050209 or something. In my experience of modding posts, people that have grumbles, issues or want something changed always post a solution alongside it, what they would like to see. Posters rarely and continuously jab at individuals or club employees on a personal level. For example, I have been critical of the SC and KM in particular, but I have explained why I think so. I may have said his leadership is outdated and feckless, but I dont recall myself making personal remarks or call him stupid or useless, because he's clearly a clever guy and has done lots of positive things. Sorry if its a bit ramble but Im trying to explain myself as clearly as possible! There was a bluecamel that used to reside here, in the parish of Gas Guzzler. If you go to the 'Members' section you will see: Registered = 02/06/2014 - ( before WAQ / SH joined the club). Last Online = 19/02/2018. And there is a biog that mentions the book he had published: "Bright Lights Dark Days" - his memoirs of his time spent in a pop group in the '70s. I'm pretty sure I've seem posts by Blue Camel on the Gaschat forum, and noted similar avatars. Are you certain there are two separate Blue Camels operating? I don't wish to give you the …. Have you ever seen a panther that is pink? Think, a panther that is 100% positively Steve Hamer? |
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Post by fanatical on Jan 30, 2020 20:50:00 GMT
I do find this view hypocritical on a 'forum' where a to use a pseudonym is actually encouraged. (as you know I think all contributors should post under their own name) And as for saying you have 'caught' someone doing exactly what the system encourages I find rather mystifying. Mr Hamer (if he does) is surely as entitled as anyone to use the forum to post a point of view or an opinion, (particularly as other directors and the owners do) but if you disagree perhaps that rule should also apply to a moderator (which I gather you are one) who by inference should be neutral? NB: From Wikipedia What does being a moderator mean?
A discussion moderator or debate moderator is a person whose role is to act as a neutral participant in a debate or discussion.
I have read on so many occasions on here a moderator reminding a poster to attack the post and not the poster, and also not to attack individuals which if you are fair minded you will agree you often do as far as Mr Hamer and Ken Masters are concerned. Whilst I am about it, perhaps you should be reminded (as I am sure you already know) that any financial commitment of over ÂŁ20,000 by the Football Club has to be approved by the whole Board and receive clearance by Hani Al-Qadi? This is important because you often attribute spending commitments which you and others feel were wrong (ie; transfer fees) to Mr Hamer, but they all have to have had approval from the owners and colleagues. why don't you post under your own name then out of interest? The norm on forums appears to be to use pseudonyms. However, if you were paying attention you would know that I have on several occasions revealed who I am. So here goes again - pay attention this time! I am Roy Cowell, supporter for 76 years, Presidents Club member for 50 years, and I was PC chairman for over 10 years. I have been a season ticket holder for more years than I can remember and for the last 15 years I have occupied an executive box in the West Stand. I was a supporter of the Dunford family (and still am), and appreciated the efforts of the Nick Higgs Board. When the Al-Qadi family took over I was supportive and helped install Abdulkader Abdullah Al-Qadi, the father of the family, as President of the BRPC. I am sure we are all sad to hear that he is unfortunately not now in good health. I am a fanatic (hence the avatar) and I want the best for BRFC. So who are you Peter Parker? and Bamber? - don't be shy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 20:56:40 GMT
why don't you post under your own name then out of interest? The norm on forums appears to be to use pseudonyms. However, if you were paying attention you would know that I have on several occasions revealed who I am. So here goes again - pay attention this time! I am Roy Cowell, supporter for 76 years, Presidents Club member for 50 years, and I was PC chairman for over 10 years. I have been a season ticket holder for more years than I can remember and for the last 15 years I have occupied an executive box in the West Stand. I was a supporter of the Dunford family (and still am), and appreciated the efforts of the Nick Higgs Board. When the Al-Qadi family took over I was supportive and helped install Abdulkader Abdullah Al-Qadi, the father of the family, as President of the BRPC. I am sure we are all sad to hear that he is unfortunately not now in good health. I am a fanatic (hence the avatar) and I want the best for BRFC. So who are you Peter Parker? and Bamber? - don't be shy.I think it's poor form to even ask, and dreadful form to mention someone else's real identity on any forum. I just thought it was funny calling you out. And even funnier that it's obviously triggered you. Now, back to you and ITB endlessly bitching at each other. I'm paying attention and waiting for either of you to put forward any kind of constructive suggestion. So far you both sound like that drunk bloke who stands behind the manager and shouts at him to 'do something'. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 30, 2020 21:23:22 GMT
why don't you post under your own name then out of interest? The norm on forums appears to be to use pseudonyms. However, if you were paying attention you would know that I have on several occasions revealed who I am. So here goes again - pay attention this time! I am Roy Cowell, supporter for 76 years, Presidents Club member for 50 years, and I was PC chairman for over 10 years. I have been a season ticket holder for more years than I can remember and for the last 15 years I have occupied an executive box in the West Stand. I was a supporter of the Dunford family (and still am), and appreciated the efforts of the Nick Higgs Board. When the Al-Qadi family took over I was supportive and helped install Abdulkader Abdullah Al-Qadi, the father of the family, as President of the BRPC. I am sure we are all sad to hear that he is unfortunately not now in good health. I am a fanatic (hence the avatar) and I want the best for BRFC. So who are you Peter Parker? and Bamber? - don't be shy.PP's ID is no secret at all. Not my job to say tho |
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 30, 2020 21:25:17 GMT
The norm on forums appears to be to use pseudonyms. However, if you were paying attention you would know that I have on several occasions revealed who I am. So here goes again - pay attention this time! I am Roy Cowell, supporter for 76 years, Presidents Club member for 50 years, and I was PC chairman for over 10 years. I have been a season ticket holder for more years than I can remember and for the last 15 years I have occupied an executive box in the West Stand. I was a supporter of the Dunford family (and still am), and appreciated the efforts of the Nick Higgs Board. When the Al-Qadi family took over I was supportive and helped install Abdulkader Abdullah Al-Qadi, the father of the family, as President of the BRPC. I am sure we are all sad to hear that he is unfortunately not now in good health. I am a fanatic (hence the avatar) and I want the best for BRFC. So who are you Peter Parker? and Bamber? - don't be shy.PP's ID is no secret at all. Not my job to say tho PS I'll give u a clue tho - he makes people fart |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 21:40:30 GMT
PP's ID is no secret at all. Not my job to say tho PS I'll give u a clue tho - he makes people fart Yep. Harry Heinz is a good guy too. |
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Post by fanatical on Jan 30, 2020 22:19:12 GMT
The norm on forums appears to be to use pseudonyms. However, if you were paying attention you would know that I have on several occasions revealed who I am. So here goes again - pay attention this time! I am Roy Cowell, supporter for 76 years, Presidents Club member for 50 years, and I was PC chairman for over 10 years. I have been a season ticket holder for more years than I can remember and for the last 15 years I have occupied an executive box in the West Stand. I was a supporter of the Dunford family (and still am), and appreciated the efforts of the Nick Higgs Board. When the Al-Qadi family took over I was supportive and helped install Abdulkader Abdullah Al-Qadi, the father of the family, as President of the BRPC. I am sure we are all sad to hear that he is unfortunately not now in good health. I am a fanatic (hence the avatar) and I want the best for BRFC. So who are you Peter Parker? and Bamber? - don't be shy.I think it's poor form to even ask, and dreadful form to mention someone else's real identity on any forum. I just thought it was funny calling you out. And even funnier that it's obviously triggered you. Now, back to you and ITB endlessly bitching at each other. I'm paying attention and waiting for either of you to put forward any kind of constructive suggestion. So far you both sound like that drunk bloke who stands behind the manager and shouts at him to 'do something'. How pathetic an individual are you Bamber? You are a regular pontificating on the forums but hiding behind a mask - and at the same time calling out on others - shame on you. What a wimp! You think it is funny? - of course you do - and you suggest others put forward a constructive suggestion when you don't yourself. You will know that I believe everyone should have the confidence to state who they are - otherwise what credence is there to their argument and no guts to boot. It is a very weak man who hides behind a mask and criticizes others. So very brave to post anonymously. As for Peter Parker - he asked a question and is too frit to answer it himself. Such a brave guy. |
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