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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 2:10:13 GMT
I think your clutching at straws just to have another dig at wael and co frankly. Football below the premier league is awash with debt and rovers are just like other clubs in the same boat. Whats the solution for the whole league? whats best method for servicing or managing the debt but still competing? Nobody seems to know the answer it seems because most clubs are struggling. If some superstar white english wealthy true gas head millionaire is available to deliver all our needs please step forward now. Lets see if that appeal works? You said you are still “with Wael“ and that he shows more dignity than some posters on here but you didn’t say whether you thought his behavior in Dublin was dignified. To me it seemed Wael was deliberately putting on a show in Dublin and sometimes people do that to cover their true feelings. His true feeling might be reflected in the look of dread which totend4 saw. wael celebrating is a non story in my view. Your saying he is putting it on but is that it?[meaning wael showing forced emotion in your opinion] Unless someone buys out the family they are all we have so thats all really is it not?
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Post by swissgas on Jul 13, 2019 3:47:56 GMT
You said you are still “with Wael“ and that he shows more dignity than some posters on here but you didn’t say whether you thought his behavior in Dublin was dignified. To me it seemed Wael was deliberately putting on a show in Dublin and sometimes people do that to cover their true feelings. His true feeling might be reflected in the look of dread which totend4 saw. wael celebrating is a non story in my view. Your saying he is putting it on but is that it?[meaning wael showing forced emotion in your opinion] Unless someone buys out the family they are all we have so thats all really is it not? If Rovers were not in such a precarious financial position I could understand how some fans might think it was a non-story. Or, if Rovers were in a precarious financial position (as we are) but Wael was upfront about it and had presented realistic plans to show how we were going to get out of the mess then again I could understand how some fans, as bulbous says, wouldn’t have a problem with it. But the truth of the matter is that Wael has disrespected us by failing to communicate as he said he would but then pops up with a display of immaturity in Dublin. To me this gives the strong impression he is putting on a sideshow for fans in order to cover up the fact that rather than confront the serious issues we face he is hiding away from reality. I wish someone would come up with a reasoned defense of Wael and explain exactly what his achievements have been at Rovers over the past three and a half years. If they did then we would have something to debate but as it is we always end up in the same default position as we had with Nick Higgs. There is no alternative, there is nothing we can do so it’s best to shut up and enjoy the football. That default position was shown to be defective in 2016 when we found out that there actually was an alternative to Nick Higgs and subsequently that alternative was prepared to put 17 million pounds into Rovers. In 2019, with the 17 million nearly used up and our leader refusing to face up to his responsibilities, the alternatives are much more limited. But I would contend it is much better for Rovers future prospects if we debate those alternatives rather than cheer Wael on as he makes a fool of himself and us.
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 13, 2019 9:08:21 GMT
wael celebrating is a non story in my view. Your saying he is putting it on but is that it?[meaning wael showing forced emotion in your opinion] Unless someone buys out the family they are all we have so thats all really is it not? If Rovers were not in such a precarious financial position I could understand how some fans might think it was a non-story. Or, if Rovers were in a precarious financial position (as we are) but Wael was upfront about it and had presented realistic plans to show how we were going to get out of the mess then again I could understand how some fans, as bulbous says, wouldn’t have a problem with it. But the truth of the matter is that Wael has disrespected us by failing to communicate as he said he would but then pops up with a display of immaturity in Dublin. To me this gives the strong impression he is putting on a sideshow for fans in order to cover up the fact that rather than confront the serious issues we face he is hiding away from reality. I wish someone would come up with a reasoned defense of Wael and explain exactly what his achievements have been at Rovers over the past three and a half years. If they did then we would have something to debate but as it is we always end up in the same default position as we had with Nick Higgs. There is no alternative, there is nothing we can do so it’s best to shut up and enjoy the football. That default position was shown to be defective in 2016 when we found out that there actually was an alternative to Nick Higgs and subsequently that alternative was prepared to put 17 million pounds into Rovers. In 2019, with the 17 million nearly used up and our leader refusing to face up to his responsibilities, the alternatives are much more limited. But I would contend it is much better for Rovers future prospects if we debate those alternatives rather than cheer Wael on as he makes a fool of himself and us. Wise words swiss. Some people try to take our owners to account and ask perfectly reasonable questions of them. Some people are apathetic and take whatever bullsh*t our owners come out with and "if you can't put up £30mil of your own money, you don't have the right to express an opinion". I wonder which of these two sets of people actually have the best interests of the Football Club at heart?
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 13, 2019 9:16:43 GMT
I was sent a clip of Wael behaving like a kid after the friendly game in Dublin. Is it just me or do others get a sick feeling in their stomach when they see things like this ? Even at my advanced age I still behave like a kid sometimes but never in front of those to whom I have leadership responsibility and certainly not when times are grim and livelihoods could be badly affected due to my inadequacies. Wael is living out his fantasies while Rovers drift further downwards to a point where the club may have to start again from scratch. And yet Gasheads seem to be encouraging him ? If the truth be told I’m past bloody caring. The simple fact is, despite two constant years of bitching and moaning, there is still not one viable, realistic alternative to the Al Qadi family. People come on here, social media, drip feed poison in the bars and the terraces and yet there are only rumours, conjecture and precisely zero in the way of something for us mere mortals to get behind. Mainly because they have never existed. Has Ed Ware put together his 67th mystery consortium yet? "Jack's drinking is not limited to alcohol, as he will drink any type of liquid he can get his hands on (minus water which he despises). This has brought him trouble many times. Twice, Jack has drunk Toilet Duck (bleach) which has made him hallucinate, seeing pink elephants and the people around him as bizarre oddities." fatherted.fandom.com/wiki/Jack_HackettOn a more serious note - if there was a viable alternative to Dwane Sports, would you get behind it father? I guess a lot of the rumours and conjecture are a direct result of frustration with the current owners. Although you see this as 'pointless' - it won't go away while we are being 'led' by (and I chose my words carefully)... fools.
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Post by Rex on Jul 13, 2019 9:20:34 GMT
I still with wael. He shows more dignity that some of the bitter old men posting nothing of note on here. If someone buys the club off of our owners fine but until then their the only owners we have. Would you describe it as dignified when the club President crashes in and hugs a player being interviewed ? Or is that just a bit of harmless fun like the 17 million loan, the 700 000 a year interest bill and the legal charge over the Mem ? Hugging the player is harmless fun, the other stuff isn't. Just because you don't like the guy, it doesn't mean that everything he does should be considered inept/disrespectful or sinister. I don't think there is any doubt that he is unable/incapable of helping the club progress (although I still cling on to a tiny shred of hope that he might) but to get upset or annoyed over him larking about is just daft.
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Post by dido on Jul 13, 2019 9:23:36 GMT
No, Rex. He's immature. Fact.
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Post by Dr John Dee on Jul 13, 2019 9:33:56 GMT
Statements can be proven by writing fact after them. Especially if you use capital letters. FACT.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 13, 2019 9:45:39 GMT
I was sent a clip of Wael behaving like a kid after the friendly game in Dublin. Is it just me or do others get a sick feeling in their stomach when they see things like this ? Even at my advanced age I still behave like a kid sometimes but never in front of those to whom I have leadership responsibility and certainly not when times are grim and livelihoods could be badly affected due to my inadequacies. Wael is living out his fantasies while Rovers drift further downwards to a point where the club may have to start again from scratch. And yet Gasheads seem to be encouraging him ? Definitely not just you. He has shown a lot of naive traits on social media and it doesn’t paint a good picture. If I had behaved like that when working then I’d have had warning and possibly been given my marching orders. I used to have dialogue with him and warned how quickly things can get hostile but his response was that he knew and was prepared for this. It really doesn’t help that he has bonded with a few sycophants and seems to have favourites. As eppinggas has said, a Walter Mitty type character. On other news I have heard whispers of an imminent takeover from a private chat group. As usual I’ve said I will believe it when I see it and hope that, if true, it’s by good and knowledgeable people and not the owners just getting out of dodge. Have a good weekend swissgas
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 13, 2019 9:52:05 GMT
So true Swissgas - the man is a fantasist and is deluded propped up by freeloaders as they gradually are bringing Rovers to its knees. If he does not go NOW, the Club will not survive. The Supporters Club, President's Club and previous Boards have all contributed to a Club that can hold it's head high, but the future is in doubt if WAQ does not admit he is incapable of heading a football club. If you go now WAQ you can claim to have saved the club from non league - but you do not have the money or nous to take the club forward - please go.[/quote] That's a bit ranty/rabble rousy for you? [/quote] yes, I agree & I had my doubts on if his account has been hacked ?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 13, 2019 9:59:39 GMT
No, Rex. He's immature. Fact. True but so are a great many more.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Jul 13, 2019 10:14:12 GMT
If the truth be told I’m past bloody caring. The simple fact is, despite two constant years of bitching and moaning, there is still not one viable, realistic alternative to the Al Qadi family. People come on here, social media, drip feed poison in the bars and the terraces and yet there are only rumours, conjecture and precisely zero in the way of something for us mere mortals to get behind. Mainly because they have never existed. Has Ed Ware put together his 67th mystery consortium yet? "Jack's drinking is not limited to alcohol, as he will drink any type of liquid he can get his hands on (minus water which he despises). This has brought him trouble many times. Twice, Jack has drunk Toilet Duck (bleach) which has made him hallucinate, seeing pink elephants and the people around him as bizarre oddities." fatherted.fandom.com/wiki/Jack_HackettOn a more serious note - if there was a viable alternative to Dwane Sports, would you get behind it father? I guess a lot of the rumours and conjecture are a direct result of frustration with the current owners. Although you see this as 'pointless' - it won't go away while we are being 'led' by (and I chose my words carefully)... fools. how little you know me. I was looking for alternatives to the board as far back as 2001. In the split of 2006 I was a very active supporter of the ‘losing’ side, things that had consequences for another decade. IMHO we’ve been led by fools for the best part of two decades. A few of us were speaking out for most of that time and were criticised often by many people. It’s not the criticism of the Al Qadi family that grates so much, it’s the rank hypocrisy that those making the majority of noise where the ones showering previous owners with praise when the club was sinking into oblivion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 11:43:39 GMT
"Jack's drinking is not limited to alcohol, as he will drink any type of liquid he can get his hands on (minus water which he despises). This has brought him trouble many times. Twice, Jack has drunk Toilet Duck (bleach) which has made him hallucinate, seeing pink elephants and the people around him as bizarre oddities." fatherted.fandom.com/wiki/Jack_HackettOn a more serious note - if there was a viable alternative to Dwane Sports, would you get behind it father? I guess a lot of the rumours and conjecture are a direct result of frustration with the current owners. Although you see this as 'pointless' - it won't go away while we are being 'led' by (and I chose my words carefully)... fools. how little you know me. I was looking for alternatives to the board as far back as 2001. In the split of 2006 I was a very active supporter of the ‘losing’ side, things that had consequences for another decade. IMHO we’ve been led by fools for the best part of two decades. A few of us were speaking out for most of that time and were criticised often by many people. It’s not the criticism of the Al Qadi family that grates so much, it’s the rank hypocrisy that those making the majority of noise where the ones showering previous owners with praise when the club was sinking into oblivion. I think that everybody lost in 2006. Maybe the biggest loser was the SC as all of the talent walked away and it became the shell that it is today.
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Post by swissgas on Jul 13, 2019 14:29:53 GMT
"Jack's drinking is not limited to alcohol, as he will drink any type of liquid he can get his hands on (minus water which he despises). This has brought him trouble many times. Twice, Jack has drunk Toilet Duck (bleach) which has made him hallucinate, seeing pink elephants and the people around him as bizarre oddities." fatherted.fandom.com/wiki/Jack_HackettOn a more serious note - if there was a viable alternative to Dwane Sports, would you get behind it father? I guess a lot of the rumours and conjecture are a direct result of frustration with the current owners. Although you see this as 'pointless' - it won't go away while we are being 'led' by (and I chose my words carefully)... fools. how little you know me. I was looking for alternatives to the board as far back as 2001. In the split of 2006 I was a very active supporter of the ‘losing’ side, things that had consequences for another decade. IMHO we’ve been led by fools for the best part of two decades. A few of us were speaking out for most of that time and were criticised often by many people. It’s not the criticism of the Al Qadi family that grates so much, it’s the rank hypocrisy that those making the majority of noise where the ones showering previous owners with praise when the club was sinking into oblivion. I understand where you are coming from there Jack. A couple of weeks ago I upset fanatical By posting criticism of the way he and “the ciders” were trying to get their message across. And one of my first ever posts on the forums was a criticism of the 2006 RAC group for appearing to walk into a trap and not be properly prepared which allowed Geoff to brush them aside with ease. That is not to say I didn’t like Mike, Colin, Kevin, Kim and the others it’s just that I felt they had made a tactical mistake which, as you say, has cost Rovers dearly because good people were lost to the cause. My criticism is intended to be positive not negative and I can justifiably claim to be as big a critic of Nick Higgs as of Wael and it is all done in (as I see it) the best interests of BRFC. We have to learn from past mistakes so whatever the future holds for Rovers I feel it is important that fans are prepared and ready to unite. I’ve said before when posting about the business side of the club that it’s hard to find myself on the opposite side of the fence to old hands like Cheshire and Oldie. Equally I feel uncomfortable when posters like Bulbous and Rex think I am being trivial and can understand why they should feel that way. Like most fans I’ve gone through the range of feelings about Wael from “great hope” to “nice guy but out of his depth” to now when I do think fanatical is right and Wael is showing a devil-may-care attitude which could do serious harm to Rovers. It may be that the interests of Hani and the rest of the Al-Qadi family now fully align with the interests of Rovers and that Wael is the odd one out. As much as some fans still find a way of believing Wael is a nice bloke and passionate Gasheads would those fans really put his personal egotistic interests before the interests of Rovers ?
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Post by Rex on Jul 13, 2019 18:12:20 GMT
No, Rex. He's immature. Fact. You have to write fact as FACT to actually make it a fact Edit: Dr John Dee beat me to it. FACT.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 18:34:11 GMT
how little you know me. I was looking for alternatives to the board as far back as 2001. In the split of 2006 I was a very active supporter of the ‘losing’ side, things that had consequences for another decade. IMHO we’ve been led by fools for the best part of two decades. A few of us were speaking out for most of that time and were criticised often by many people. It’s not the criticism of the Al Qadi family that grates so much, it’s the rank hypocrisy that those making the majority of noise where the ones showering previous owners with praise when the club was sinking into oblivion. I understand where you are coming from there Jack. A couple of weeks ago I upset fanatical By posting criticism of the way he and “the ciders” were trying to get their message across. And one of my first ever posts on the forums was a criticism of the 2006 RAC group for appearing to walk into a trap and not be properly prepared which allowed Geoff to brush them aside with ease. That is not to say I didn’t like Mike, Colin, Kevin, Kim and the others it’s just that I felt they had made a tactical mistake which, as you say, has cost Rovers dearly because good people were lost to the cause. My criticism is intended to be positive not negative and I can justifiably claim to be as big a critic of Nick Higgs as of Wael and it is all done in (as I see it) the best interests of BRFC. We have to learn from past mistakes so whatever the future holds for Rovers I feel it is important that fans are prepared and ready to unite. I’ve said before when posting about the business side of the club that it’s hard to find myself on the opposite side of the fence to old hands like Cheshire and Oldie. Equally I feel uncomfortable when posters like Bulbous and Rex think I am being trivial and can understand why they should feel that way. Like most fans I’ve gone through the range of feelings about Wael from “great hope” to “nice guy but out of his depth” to now when I do think fanatical is right and Wael is showing a devil-may-care attitude which could do serious harm to Rovers. It may be that the interests of Hani and the rest of the Al-Qadi family now fully align with the interests of Rovers and that Wael is the odd one out. As much as some fans still find a way of believing Wael is a nice bloke and passionate Gasheads would those fans really put his personal egotistic interests before the interests of Rovers ? swiss i dont find your views as trivial, like all of us we have rovers safety central in our thoughts, its just i cant see how a celebration can be wrong ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 18:47:31 GMT
how little you know me. I was looking for alternatives to the board as far back as 2001. In the split of 2006 I was a very active supporter of the ‘losing’ side, things that had consequences for another decade. IMHO we’ve been led by fools for the best part of two decades. A few of us were speaking out for most of that time and were criticised often by many people. It’s not the criticism of the Al Qadi family that grates so much, it’s the rank hypocrisy that those making the majority of noise where the ones showering previous owners with praise when the club was sinking into oblivion. I understand where you are coming from there Jack. A couple of weeks ago I upset fanatical By posting criticism of the way he and “the ciders” were trying to get their message across. And one of my first ever posts on the forums was a criticism of the 2006 RAC group for appearing to walk into a trap and not be properly prepared which allowed Geoff to brush them aside with ease. That is not to say I didn’t like Mike, Colin, Kevin, Kim and the others it’s just that I felt they had made a tactical mistake which, as you say, has cost Rovers dearly because good people were lost to the cause. My criticism is intended to be positive not negative and I can justifiably claim to be as big a critic of Nick Higgs as of Wael and it is all done in (as I see it) the best interests of BRFC. We have to learn from past mistakes so whatever the future holds for Rovers I feel it is important that fans are prepared and ready to unite. I’ve said before when posting about the business side of the club that it’s hard to find myself on the opposite side of the fence to old hands like Cheshire and Oldie. Equally I feel uncomfortable when posters like Bulbous and Rex think I am being trivial and can understand why they should feel that way. Like most fans I’ve gone through the range of feelings about Wael from “great hope” to “nice guy but out of his depth” to now when I do think fanatical is right and Wael is showing a devil-may-care attitude which could do serious harm to Rovers. It may be that the interests of Hani and the rest of the Al-Qadi family now fully align with the interests of Rovers and that Wael is the odd one out. As much as some fans still find a way of believing Wael is a nice bloke and passionate Gasheads would those fans really put his personal egotistic interests before the interests of Rovers ? Everything is easy with the benefit of hindsight. But I'm interested to hear what you would have done differently. A situation was dropped on us because of something that had already happened between Geoff and Mike, that couldn't be undone. You may not be aware of this, but around a year prior to that we carried out a small match day survey at a couple of home and away games, there were a few questions, some surrounding the SC and what it was doing, but some slanted towards how people felt about the (then) BoD. The striking thing was the loyalty people felt towards the Dunford 'brand'. So, if your answer is that a PR battle should have been waged, it would have been messy to say the least.
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Post by The Concept on Jul 13, 2019 20:42:39 GMT
What is this video clip of Wael behaving like a kid after the friendly game in Dublin, that people speak of? Is there a link to share?
And what is the hugging a player being interviewed? When did this happen? Is this the same video, or a separate incident?
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Post by badhand on Jul 13, 2019 20:54:21 GMT
What is this video clip of Wael behaving like a kid after the friendly game in Dublin, that people speak of? Is there a link to share? And what is the hugging a player being interviewed? When did this happen? Is this the same video, or a separate incident? Ta. It's on the official twitter account. I have no idea how to link to the specific tweet. However, if you scroll down to July 11th, you should find it.
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Post by swissgas on Jul 13, 2019 20:55:30 GMT
I understand where you are coming from there Jack. A couple of weeks ago I upset fanatical By posting criticism of the way he and “the ciders” were trying to get their message across. And one of my first ever posts on the forums was a criticism of the 2006 RAC group for appearing to walk into a trap and not be properly prepared which allowed Geoff to brush them aside with ease. That is not to say I didn’t like Mike, Colin, Kevin, Kim and the others it’s just that I felt they had made a tactical mistake which, as you say, has cost Rovers dearly because good people were lost to the cause. My criticism is intended to be positive not negative and I can justifiably claim to be as big a critic of Nick Higgs as of Wael and it is all done in (as I see it) the best interests of BRFC. We have to learn from past mistakes so whatever the future holds for Rovers I feel it is important that fans are prepared and ready to unite. I’ve said before when posting about the business side of the club that it’s hard to find myself on the opposite side of the fence to old hands like Cheshire and Oldie. Equally I feel uncomfortable when posters like Bulbous and Rex think I am being trivial and can understand why they should feel that way. Like most fans I’ve gone through the range of feelings about Wael from “great hope” to “nice guy but out of his depth” to now when I do think fanatical is right and Wael is showing a devil-may-care attitude which could do serious harm to Rovers. It may be that the interests of Hani and the rest of the Al-Qadi family now fully align with the interests of Rovers and that Wael is the odd one out. As much as some fans still find a way of believing Wael is a nice bloke and passionate Gasheads would those fans really put his personal egotistic interests before the interests of Rovers ? Everything is easy with the benefit of hindsight. But I'm interested to hear what you would have done differently. A situation was dropped on us because of something that had already happened between Geoff and Mike, that couldn't be undone. You may not be aware of this, but around a year prior to that we carried out a small match day survey at a couple of home and away games, there were a few questions, some surrounding the SC and what it was doing, but some slanted towards how people felt about the (then) BoD. The striking thing was the loyalty people felt towards the Dunford 'brand'. So, if your answer is that a PR battle should have been waged, it would have been messy to say the least. I understand what you are saying about the Dunford “brand” and doing a survey was an excellent way of getting feedback. Without any knowledge of the politics at the time all I can say is that the plan seemed good to me and it is a pity there was no way to force a compromise. If today there is another good plan to provide Rovers with a new stadium, financial stability and a chance of success then it is very important we don’t let the Wael “brand” stop it happening. Which is why I’m sticking my neck out a bit by saying I think Wael is a danger to the chances of Rovers emerging from our current financial mess as the kind of football club most of us want it to be.
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Post by The Concept on Jul 13, 2019 21:09:08 GMT
What is this video clip of Wael behaving like a kid after the friendly game in Dublin, that people speak of? Is there a link to share? And what is the hugging a player being interviewed? When did this happen? Is this the same video, or a separate incident? Ta. It's on the official twitter account. I have no idea how to link to the specific tweet. However, if you scroll down to July 11th, you should find it.
Thanks for the link. If it's this one I can't see what the big problem is. And I thought the hugging a player was going to be a separate incident, and someone being interviewed live by Radio Bristol - as it is it's just a little piece being recorded for Rovers social media.
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