eppinggas
Administrator
Ian Alexander
Don't care
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 8,621 
|
Post by eppinggas on Jun 14, 2019 10:56:54 GMT
"After all what's the ALQ's long term plan without the UWE".
Been trying to figure that one out for about 21 months... there's always Plan B. Still waiting for Plan B.
|
|
eppinggas
Administrator
Ian Alexander
Don't care
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 8,621
|
Post by eppinggas on Jun 14, 2019 15:29:57 GMT
My thought for the day - As a prominent member of the massively failed Higgs administration (also the place we were heading), why doesn’t Ed Ware just disappear, stop continually trying to unsettle the club and STFU for a while. About two decades should suffice... Wael is going absolutely nowhere, so put up or shut up. Serious question father. What would Ed Ware and/or Steve Hamer look to achieve by drip-feeding information to certain people? Are they just frustrated that they can't get their hands on BRFC/UWE and are applying by whatever means ways to ramp up the pressure on Dwane Sports to sell? With regards to your last statement... could it be that Ed is trying to "put up" but is getting frustrated by a Dwane Sports unrealistic valuation of the Club? I have no knowledge (obviously!) but part of the 'story' appears to suggest that Wael still wants to be involved in some capacity at the Club should ownership change - and this has put off a potential buyer. I've seen and heard enough from Wael to conclude that he is articulate, charming but ultimately out of his depth. A bit like Nick Higgs - just without the articulacy and charm. Not looking to pick a fight. Respect your thoughts on this. UTG. |
|
|
|
Post by The Concept on Jun 15, 2019 10:59:13 GMT
Seriously though, St. Phillips Marsh is the next big area in Bristol that is ripe for development. With land around Temple Meads already earmarked for Temple Quarter / Enterprise Zone / Bristol Uni, future plans move east into St. Phillips. There are plans north of the Feeder (which I would have thought is technically either The Dings or Barton Hill, rather than St. Phillips), with a mix of student accommodation, a new school, and housing. www.hydrock.com/news/master-planning-st-philips-marsh-bristols-kings-cross/www.egi.co.uk/news/bristols-kings-cross-unlocked/www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/business/bristols-city-centre-set-move-2903617Anyone owning land in St. Phillips is sitting on a potential goldmine (no matter how grotty it looks at the moment!), you've got: the enterprise zone; the University expansion; the creative quarter just over the Avon at The Paintworks; close to Temple Meads Railway Station; a railway line running through it, from which you could add a halt, and all in walking distance from the centre. Anyone who has plans for a development in St. Phillis Marsh could be on to winner, so close to town … especially if your plans for a complex included a hotel. |
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 11:07:46 GMT
Seriously though, St. Phillips Marsh is the next big area in Bristol that is ripe for development. With land around Temple Meads already earmarked for Temple Quarter / Enterprise Zone / Bristol Uni, future plans move east into St. Phillips. There are plans north of the Feeder (which I would have thought is technically either The Dings or Barton Hill, rather than St. Phillips), with a mix of student accommodation, a new school, and housing. www.hydrock.com/news/master-planning-st-philips-marsh-bristols-kings-cross/www.egi.co.uk/news/bristols-kings-cross-unlocked/www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/business/bristols-city-centre-set-move-2903617Anyone owning land in St. Phillips is sitting on a potential goldmine (no matter how grotty it looks at the moment!), you've got: the enterprise zone; the University expansion; the creative quarter just over the Avon at The Paintworks; close to Temple Meads Railway Station; a railway line running through it, from which you could add a halt, and all in walking distance from the centre. Anyone who has plans for a development in St. Phillis Marsh could be on to winner, so close to town … especially if your plans for a complex included a hotel. And with the road network and existing congestion in and out of that area you've got more chance of 'Her Indoors' morphing into a 20 year old Christina Aguilera than you have of getting a stadium built on the fruit market site. |
|
|
|
Post by The Concept on Jun 15, 2019 11:19:11 GMT
Seriously though, St. Phillips Marsh is the next big area in Bristol that is ripe for development. With land around Temple Meads already earmarked for Temple Quarter / Enterprise Zone / Bristol Uni, future plans move east into St. Phillips. There are plans north of the Feeder (which I would have thought is technically either The Dings or Barton Hill, rather than St. Phillips), with a mix of student accommodation, a new school, and housing. www.hydrock.com/news/master-planning-st-philips-marsh-bristols-kings-cross/www.egi.co.uk/news/bristols-kings-cross-unlocked/www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/business/bristols-city-centre-set-move-2903617Anyone owning land in St. Phillips is sitting on a potential goldmine (no matter how grotty it looks at the moment!), you've got: the enterprise zone; the University expansion; the creative quarter just over the Avon at The Paintworks; close to Temple Meads Railway Station; a railway line running through it, from which you could add a halt, and all in walking distance from the centre. Anyone who has plans for a development in St. Phillis Marsh could be on to winner, so close to town … especially if your plans for a complex included a hotel. And with the road network and existing congestion in and out of that area you've got more chance of 'Her Indoors' morphing into a 20 year old Christina Aguilera than you have of getting a stadium built on the fruit market site. Yep, the main problem is road network and parking. Although you're just off the A4, and St. Phillips causeway comes straight from the M32. Probably need to be park & ride schemes in place. With that in mind I'm putting a business plan together for a park & ferry from Hanham. What's it, no more than an hours boat trip to the Feeder? What better way to travel to the football than on a boat down the Avon, and then back for drinks in The Chequers and The Old Lock & Weir.  |
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 11:47:31 GMT
And with the road network and existing congestion in and out of that area you've got more chance of 'Her Indoors' morphing into a 20 year old Christina Aguilera than you have of getting a stadium built on the fruit market site. Yep, the main problem is road network and parking. Although you're just off the A4, and St. Phillips causeway comes straight from the M32. Probably need to be park & ride schemes in place. With that in mind I'm putting a business plan together for a park & ferry from Hanham. What's it, no more than an hours boat trip to the Feeder? What better way to travel to the football than on a boat down the Avon, and then back for drinks in The Chequers and The Old Lock & Weir. Maybe Amazon could drop people in to their seats by drone? |
|
|
|
Post by a more piratey game on Jun 16, 2019 9:21:24 GMT
so this is still my best guess at what is going on. To add some flesh to the guess.....some in the SC and PC seem to want it to happen, and are agitating a bit - partly because they want it to happen, and partly because they have lost confidence in the current regime. What they actually know and what they think they know is all a bit of a soup. Knowall is about the only one who posts in a plausible tone to my ears the implication is that UWE are still open to some kind of deal with a ground. The sticking points have been the AQ/UWE relationship, continuing AQ presence within the leadership at BRFC, and price. Ed thinks he can get past the former, but not yet the latter two. There is a bit of a game of chicken, as is the way of these things. Ed thinks that over the medium term he has the upper hand WAQ still thinks he can deliver something. Many think it'll be a giant leap for him if he can - jumping so much further than any of his predecessors, and doing it part-time when combining it with other roles, most of which are abroad WAQ may be faced with a lot of grumbling and noise, but none of it seems to add up to very much. He doesn't help himself with his vagueness in interviews - it leaves him open to Waelter Mitty/Tim Nice but Dim comparisons, as does the conduct of the AGM (where, based on reports, the requisite choreography was easily foreseeable). It wasn't a stretch to out-fox his accusers though speculation from the other place... UWE were clearly shocked in August 2017 when ALQs pulled out of the deal. They might have been angry about being played, they might have decided that they would not ever enter into any relationship with the ALQs again under any circumstances. They might have felt the ALQs could not be trusted and were bad faith negotiators. It might be that UWE only started talking again to people representing the club on condition that the ALQs weren’t going to be involved. It might be that it became clear that they would be involved and it might be that the UWE decided not to go forward with what had otherwise been agreed in principle if the ALQs had relinquished their interest in the club. |
|
|
|
Post by a more piratey game on Jun 16, 2019 9:24:17 GMT
so this is still my best guess at what is going on. To add some flesh to the guess.....some in the SC and PC seem to want it to happen, and are agitating a bit - partly because they want it to happen, and partly because they have lost confidence in the current regime. What they actually know and what they think they know is all a bit of a soup. Knowall is about the only one who posts in a plausible tone to my ears the implication is that UWE are still open to some kind of deal with a ground. The sticking points have been the AQ/UWE relationship, continuing AQ presence within the leadership at BRFC, and price. Ed thinks he can get past the former, but not yet the latter two. There is a bit of a game of chicken, as is the way of these things. Ed thinks that over the medium term he has the upper hand WAQ still thinks he can deliver something. Many think it'll be a giant leap for him if he can - jumping so much further than any of his predecessors, and doing it part-time when combining it with other roles, most of which are abroad WAQ may be faced with a lot of grumbling and noise, but none of it seems to add up to very much. He doesn't help himself with his vagueness in interviews - it leaves him open to Waelter Mitty/Tim Nice but Dim comparisons, as does the conduct of the AGM (where, based on reports, the requisite choreography was easily foreseeable). It wasn't a stretch to out-fox his accusers though speculation from the other place... UWE were clearly shocked in August 2017 when ALQs pulled out of the deal. They might have been angry about being played, they might have decided that they would not ever enter into any relationship with the ALQs again under any circumstances. They might have felt the ALQs could not be trusted and were bad faith negotiators. It might be that UWE only started talking again to people representing the club on condition that the ALQs weren’t going to be involved. It might be that it became clear that they would be involved and it might be that the UWE decided not to go forward with what had otherwise been agreed in principle if the ALQs had relinquished their interest in the club. and a tad more, from one of the mods... DS along with Ed Ware tried to resurrect the UWE. DS worked along side all parties as they wanted the stadium. A deal was agreed. And then UWE reneged on that deal at the 11th hour. I’m not going to tell you the details I have been told as it isn’t my place, but their request was not only unorthodox, but completely astronomical and beyond any form of business sense. If you really want to know, why not try and get the answer from them. |
|
|
|
Post by a more piratey game on Jun 23, 2019 10:13:01 GMT
from the other place....
wertongas - Stadium, club will definitely be moving away from the Mem there is no chance of developing the stadium. Apparently good progress is being made, although I suspect it will be another three to five years before we are in the new stadium. The mem will have to be sold to help finance the new stadium.....
Councillors did suggest that the old fruit market could be a potential site but although it is not in a residential area , traffic around Arnos Vale, Bath rd is awful at the best of times and on match day could lead to grid lock , so I don't know whether it would be a good site. Best location would be north east of the city close to the ring road and possibly a railway station. The club are looking at laying on a bus services to the Mem which they would help pay for to improve things in the meantime. No mention has been made of takeovers just a rumour best ignored....
It was interesting spending time with the club, it is clear that our new owners were struggling a bit and lacked experience with running the club and were fortunate that they had DC in charge and we got promotion when they first took over the club.But with the arrival of Martyn Starnes and TG now managing the stadium and with GC in charge of the team with his experience of league 1 and 2nd tier football, the club is now moving up a gear. The new shop,bars and electronic display screen and boards around the pitch income from the commercial side has increased hugely
bluecamel - From talks we have had with 'X' parties the ground situation is very much ongoing. Keep your fingers crossed that people with votes - vote 'positively'. I would hope that if things go our way, a lot of questions will be answered. Like all good things it takes time, but from all what I have seen and be told - Keep the faith. The post originator is very close to the truth. Whatever happens if positive - 3 to 5 years is realistic.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 10:24:50 GMT
from the other place.... wertongas - Stadium, club will definitely be moving away from the Mem there is no chance of developing the stadium. Apparently good progress is being made, although I suspect it will be another three to five years before we are in the new stadium. The mem will have to be sold to help finance the new stadium..... Councillors did suggest that the old fruit market could be a potential site but although it is not in a residential area , traffic around Arnos Vale, Bath rd is awful at the best of times and on match day could lead to grid lock , so I don't know whether it would be a good site. Best location would be north east of the city close to the ring road and possibly a railway station. The club are looking at laying on a bus services to the Mem which they would help pay for to improve things in the meantime. No mention has been made of takeovers just a rumour best ignored.... It was interesting spending time with the club, it is clear that our new owners were struggling a bit and lacked experience with running the club and were fortunate that they had DC in charge and we got promotion when they first took over the club.But with the arrival of Martyn Starnes and TG now managing the stadium and with GC in charge of the team with his experience of league 1 and 2nd tier football, the club is now moving up a gear. The new shop,bars and electronic display screen and boards around the pitch income from the commercial side has increased hugely bluecamel - From talks we have had with 'X' parties the ground situation is very much ongoing. Keep your fingers crossed that people with votes - vote 'positively'. I would hope that if things go our way, a lot of questions will be answered. Like all good things it takes time, but from all what I have seen and be told - Keep the faith. The post originator is very close to the truth. Whatever happens if positive - 3 to 5 years is realistic. What a pile of tosh. Why would councillors suggest a site that couldn't cope with the traffic a development would generate? Why can't the existing site be developed? BCC gave permission for that insane development including accommodation for key workers, but only as long as they promised not to dump hundreds of cars in the surrounding streets, BCC approved Sainsbury's and used the utterly absurd argument that it would benefit local businesses to support the decision, so they'll approve pretty much anything. As for the rest of it, that's just noise being made by people who can't admit that they were wrong about something happening at the end of last year, so, as said previously, they'll just keep saying that it all takes time, and then when eventually, inevitably, something does happen, they'll claim that they knew all along but couldn't give details. One thing's for sure, if something was happening, a £50m + stadium supported by a huge development on the existing site wouldn't be put at risk by leaking details to anyone who was likely to run off to a message board and start blabbing. |
|
|
|
Post by a more piratey game on Jun 23, 2019 10:31:11 GMT
from the other place.... bluecamel - From talks we have had with 'X' parties the ground situation is very much ongoing. Keep your fingers crossed that people with votes - vote 'positively' I'm thinking that's very much the Board (or whatever it is) of UWE, then the council/planning |
|
|
|
Post by swissgas on Jun 23, 2019 14:19:12 GMT
Assuming it's real, does anyone actually know what The 'Ed Ware Plan' is and how it will leave BRFC better off as after all that is the key point. At the mont I see tens of millions of reasons why it still won't happen If there is an Ed Ware plan my guess is the tens of millions will come from the promoters of the commercial developments on a site and the stadium itself will be a small part (maybe 15% ) of the total value of that development. Dwane Sports may have been invited to participate in the development by rolling over the proceeds of the sale of The Mem into it. But that would mean them crossing the line between risk taking promoters and secured lenders which could be an issue. The promoters would be using a mix of equity and secured lending to finance the project and if Dwane Sports came in on the deal they would have to be prepared to put unsecured equity capital into a project. If Dwane Sports are unwilling or unable to put up unsecured equity capital it may have been proposed that they sell the Mem to recoup their loan and pass Bristol Rovers Football Club onto new owners who have the means to take it forward at the new stadium. Historically this is always what has happened at Rovers, owners have “had a go” and when they couldn’t carry on they passed the club to people who were better placed often writing off the money they had invested in the process. But perhaps one of the Dwane Sports shareholders “wants to have his cake and eat it”? Maybe, if he cannot keep an ownership interest, he doesn’t want anyone else to have the club and would rather see it stumble along until it is forced to fold rather than give it a chance with new owners at a new stadium ? |
|
|
|
Post by a more piratey game on Jun 23, 2019 15:05:36 GMT
Assuming it's real, does anyone actually know what The 'Ed Ware Plan' is and how it will leave BRFC better off as after all that is the key point. At the mont I see tens of millions of reasons why it still won't happen If there is an Ed Ware plan my guess is the tens of millions will come from the promoters of the commercial developments on a site and the stadium itself will be a small part (maybe 15% ) of the total value of that development. Dwane Sports may have been invited to participate in the development by rolling over the proceeds of the sale of The Mem into it. But that would mean them crossing the line between risk taking promoters and secured lenders which could be an issue. The promoters would be using a mix of equity and secured lending to finance the project and if Dwane Sports came in on the deal they would have to be prepared to put unsecured equity capital into a project. If Dwane Sports are unwilling or unable to put up unsecured equity capital it may have been proposed that they sell the Mem to recoup their loan and pass Bristol Rovers Football Club onto new owners who have the means to take it forward at the new stadium. Historically this is always what has happened at Rovers, owners have “had a go” and when they couldn’t carry on they passed the club to people who were better placed often writing off the money they had invested in the process. But perhaps one of the Dwane Sports shareholders “wants to have his cake and eat it”? Maybe, if he cannot keep an ownership interest, he doesn’t want anyone else to have the club and would rather see it stumble along until it is forced to fold rather than give it a chance with new owners at a new stadium ? that all sounds very plausible to me swiss I'm wondering what the enabling developments are though. Any ideas - hotels and shops and a new medical university with hospital at UWE (which all sounds a bit bigger than building homes), or student accommodation, or other? if it isn't UWE, then maybe trying to tag a stadium onto the Arena/anything else that's big and in the pipeline? |
|
|
|
Post by a more piratey game on Jun 23, 2019 15:08:02 GMT
also, they could become risk-taking promoters - I don't know AJIB at all, but it's not at all unusual for banks to go outside of lending (albeit often via separate divisions)
on the other hand, I reckon the AQs like to drive a bus, not be passengers on it. So part-share equity might be less likely
|
|
gas2
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 218
|
Post by gas2 on Jun 23, 2019 16:16:19 GMT
The good news in October will come on October 31st brexit day
|
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Jun 23, 2019 18:49:50 GMT
also, they could become risk-taking promoters - I don't know AJIB at all, but it's not at all unusual for banks to go outside of lending (albeit often via separate divisions) on the other hand, I reckon the AQs like to drive a bus, not be passengers on it. So part-share equity might be less likely The ALQ's only hold 16%(?) of the AJIB total shareholding, whilst Hani as Chairman can clearly influence how they go about their business I assume any plans for Rovers would have to follow their standard lending processes, I'm not sure that would include basically gambling investment of £m's on a UK football club's stadium etc to support a former Directors new hobby. |
|
|
|
Post by a more piratey game on Jun 23, 2019 19:09:37 GMT
also, they could become risk-taking promoters - I don't know AJIB at all, but it's not at all unusual for banks to go outside of lending (albeit often via separate divisions) on the other hand, I reckon the AQs like to drive a bus, not be passengers on it. So part-share equity might be less likely The ALQ's only hold 16%(?) of the AJIB total shareholding, whilst Hani as Chairman can clearly influence how they go about their business I assume any plans for Rovers would have to follow their standard lending processes, I'm not sure that would include basically gambling investment of £m's on a UK football club's stadium etc to support a former Directors new hobby. Sorry, I wasn't at all clear there - conflated AJIB with the AQs on the supposition that they'll approach family business investments in the same way that they do bank decisions - because that is what they are used to Might not be true at all tho |
|
axegas
Joined: November 2015
Posts: 222
|
Post by axegas on Jun 25, 2019 17:21:33 GMT
The bad news in October will come on October 31st brexit day Fixed that for you. |
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 20:37:02 GMT
The good news in October will come on October 31st brexit day ,when democracy is honoured re-fixed that for you |
|
|
|
Post by a more piratey game on Jul 11, 2019 1:47:33 GMT
You've gone very quiet Mr. Knowall
Are all the peeps on their holliers?
|
|
