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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 17:30:22 GMT
Honest opinion and criticism are fine but words such as these I think are uncalled for "We are slumming it in a greasy spoon, being seated at the table next to the toilets and being asked to choose from the bargain menu.
“Well I’m sorry, Darrell. You seem like a nice boy but it’s time you pulled your socks up. You have a good job with decent money and I expect just a little bit more.
“It’s time you showed we’ve finally landed Mr Right... and not just another cheap date.”
The bloke has got us to second in the league, maybe we should be doing it a bit better, but these last sentences for me are a p*ss take and makes it sound as if DC has us knocking around mid-table with no chance of doing anything You come across as a pretty sharp bloke, surely you can see they are analogies? Greasy spoon (compared to the Football League that's what the Conference is. Look at some of the grounds/pitches etc) Good job, decent money (compared to clubs like Dartford, Woking, Altrincham, Nuneaton I would imagine that was fair comment) Show you're Mr Right... I am asking him to prove he is a cut above and is not going to go the same way as our previous dates - I'm not saying he is a cheap date (though compared to a more experienced manager he is probably cheap as far as Mr Higgs is concerned!) A lot of people on these forums seem to think he's already achieved something. He hasn't. The whole idea is to try to entertain and make the blog readable... those phrases were part of the theme I was developing. You're not supposed to take them as gospel. This place really is the pits at times. You talk about Darrel Clarke as if he is an experienced manager and like many a Rovers fans expect him to get instant promotion but the reality is Rovers are in the process of rebuilding after many years of mis management. This takes time and is not a quick fix. previous managers had the open cheque book approach. And failed badly. Hence where we are now!! Darrel Clarke most certainly has not got or had that luxury . he has made mistakes and will make many more,that is a given. But under the circumstances and restraints he is doing pretty well. A quick fix Bristol a Rovers are not,how come these Rovers supporters of many years who have seen it all,like myself,cannot see that?
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Post by brizzle on Feb 5, 2015 17:46:25 GMT
You come across as a pretty sharp bloke, surely you can see they are analogies? Greasy spoon (compared to the Football League that's what the Conference is. Look at some of the grounds/pitches etc) Good job, decent money (compared to clubs like Dartford, Woking, Altrincham, Nuneaton I would imagine that was fair comment) Show you're Mr Right... I am asking him to prove he is a cut above and is not going to go the same way as our previous dates - I'm not saying he is a cheap date (though compared to a more experienced manager he is probably cheap as far as Mr Higgs is concerned!) A lot of people on these forums seem to think he's already achieved something. He hasn't. The whole idea is to try to entertain and make the blog readable... those phrases were part of the theme I was developing. You're not supposed to take them as gospel. This place really is the pits at times. You talk about Darrel Clarke as if he is an experienced manager and like many a Rovers fans expect him to get instant promotion but the reality is Rovers are in the process of rebuilding after many years of mis management. This takes time and is not a quick fix. previous managers had the open cheque book approach. And failed badly. Hence where we are now!! Darrel Clarke most certainly has not got or had that luxury . he has made mistakes and will make many more,that is a given. But under the circumstances and restraints he is doing pretty well.A quick fix Bristol a Rovers are not,how come these Rovers supporters of many years who have seen it all,like myself,cannot see that? I got the thrust of your argument(s) many, many years ago, at least that's how it seems to me. And I do believe that the overwhelming majority of supporters agree with your point of view . . . but please, give it a rest will you?
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Post by buckrippers on Feb 5, 2015 17:53:19 GMT
You come across as a pretty sharp bloke, surely you can see they are analogies? Greasy spoon (compared to the Football League that's what the Conference is. Look at some of the grounds/pitches etc) Good job, decent money (compared to clubs like Dartford, Woking, Altrincham, Nuneaton I would imagine that was fair comment) Show you're Mr Right... I am asking him to prove he is a cut above and is not going to go the same way as our previous dates - I'm not saying he is a cheap date (though compared to a more experienced manager he is probably cheap as far as Mr Higgs is concerned!) A lot of people on these forums seem to think he's already achieved something. He hasn't. The whole idea is to try to entertain and make the blog readable... those phrases were part of the theme I was developing. You're not supposed to take them as gospel. This place really is the pits at times. You talk about Darrel Clarke as if he is an experienced manager and like many a Rovers fans expect him to get instant promotion but the reality is Rovers are in the process of rebuilding after many years of mis management. This takes time and is not a quick fix. previous managers had the open cheque book approach. And failed badly. Hence where we are now!! Darrel Clarke most certainly has not got or had that luxury . he has made mistakes and will make many more,that is a given. But under the circumstances and restraints he is doing pretty well. A quick fix Bristol a Rovers are not,how come these Rovers supporters of many years who have seen it all,like myself,cannot see that? Oh come on Crazy Train! Poor ickle wickle inexperienced Darrell. Do you think he said: "OK Mr Higgs I'll give it my best shot but don't expect miracles". Or did he say: "I'm the man for the job... I'll sort your scoring problems... I'll put right all the wrongs that dumbass John Ward created... I've got great contacts and will sign top players at bargain basement prices... I'm a top tactician... I'll get you back in the league." He may yet get us out of the league and if so he deserves all the plaudits he gets. But he can't hide behind the "inexperienced" excuse and, personally, I don't think he would want to. Let's face it... Paul Trollope and Ollie both had less managerial experience when they took over.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 18:29:33 GMT
This place really is the pits at times. You talk about Darrel Clarke as if he is an experienced manager and like many a Rovers fans expect him to get instant promotion but the reality is Rovers are in the process of rebuilding after many years of mis management. This takes time and is not a quick fix. previous managers had the open cheque book approach. And failed badly. Hence where we are now!! Darrel Clarke most certainly has not got or had that luxury . he has made mistakes and will make many more,that is a given. But under the circumstances and restraints he is doing pretty well.A quick fix Bristol a Rovers are not,how come these Rovers supporters of many years who have seen it all,like myself,cannot see that? I got the thrust of your argument(s) many, many years ago, at least that's how it seems to me. And I do believe that the overwhelming majority of supporters agree with your point of view . . . but please, give it a rest will you? Brizzle, Brizzle, Brizzle my bitter,twisted friend... not. Please,please just ignore. Many Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 18:33:49 GMT
This place really is the pits at times. You talk about Darrel Clarke as if he is an experienced manager and like many a Rovers fans expect him to get instant promotion but the reality is Rovers are in the process of rebuilding after many years of mis management. This takes time and is not a quick fix. previous managers had the open cheque book approach. And failed badly. Hence where we are now!! Darrel Clarke most certainly has not got or had that luxury . he has made mistakes and will make many more,that is a given. But under the circumstances and restraints he is doing pretty well. A quick fix Bristol a Rovers are not,how come these Rovers supporters of many years who have seen it all,like myself,cannot see that? Oh come on Crazy Train! Poor ickle wickle inexperienced Darrell. Do you think he said: "OK Mr Higgs I'll give it my best shot but don't expect miracles". Or did he say: "I'm the man for the job... I'll sort your scoring problems... I'll put right all the wrongs that dumbass John Ward created... I've got great contacts and will sign top players at bargain basement prices... I'm a top tactician... I'll get you back in the league." He may yet get us out of the league and if so he deserves all the plaudits he gets. But he can't hide behind the "inexperienced" excuse and, personally, I don't think he would want to. Let's face it... Paul Trollope and Ollie both had less managerial experience when they took over. That really is pathetic. Who said he is hiding behind anything? He certainly hasnt. Im just glad im not a rovers supporter out of the same mould as you. We see the Rovers situation differently. That's fine.
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Post by brizzle on Feb 5, 2015 18:41:24 GMT
I got the thrust of your argument(s) many, many years ago, at least that's how it seems to me. And I do believe that the overwhelming majority of supporters agree with your point of view . . . but please, give it a rest will you? Brizzle, Brizzle, Brizzle my bitter,twisted friend... not. Please,please just ignore. Many Thanks. What a puerile post that is. If you had actually read my post you will see that I am agreeing with you, but is it really necessary to ram the point down everyone's throat over and over again? And if it makes you feel better to resort to personal abuse, then please continue because it really won't affect me. I do remember that irishrover posted recently that we should attack the post, and not the poster. Good advice that, not that it would apply to yourself of course.
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Post by buckrippers on Feb 5, 2015 19:06:15 GMT
Oh come on Crazy Train! Poor ickle wickle inexperienced Darrell. Do you think he said: "OK Mr Higgs I'll give it my best shot but don't expect miracles". Or did he say: "I'm the man for the job... I'll sort your scoring problems... I'll put right all the wrongs that dumbass John Ward created... I've got great contacts and will sign top players at bargain basement prices... I'm a top tactician... I'll get you back in the league." He may yet get us out of the league and if so he deserves all the plaudits he gets. But he can't hide behind the "inexperienced" excuse and, personally, I don't think he would want to. Let's face it... Paul Trollope and Ollie both had less managerial experience when they took over. That really is pathetic. Who said he is hiding behind anything? He certainly hasnt. Im just glad im not a rovers supporter out of the same mould as you. We see the Rovers situation differently. That's fine.
Exactly what I said... he isn't hiding behind anything. You, though, are making excuses for him when he doesn't need any. Inexperienced, pah! As for what sort of Rovers supporter you are: There are quite a few of us, and we don't all have the same opinions. That's why this is a forum not a love-in.
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 5, 2015 19:39:32 GMT
Honest opinion and criticism are fine but words such as these I think are uncalled for "We are slumming it in a greasy spoon, being seated at the table next to the toilets and being asked to choose from the bargain menu.
“Well I’m sorry, Darrell. You speem like a nice boy but it’s time you pulled your socks up. You have a good job with decent money and I expect just a little bit more.
“It’s time you showed we’ve finally landed Mr Right... and not just another cheap date.”
The bloke has got us to second in the league, maybe we should be doing it a bit better, but these last sentences for me are a p*ss take and makes it sound as if DC has us knocking around mid-table with no chance of doing anything You come across as a pretty sharp bloke, surely you can see they are analogies? Greasy spoon (compared to the Football League that's what the Conference is. Look at some of the grounds/pitches etc) Good job, decent money (compared to clubs like Dartford, Woking, Altrincham, Nuneaton I would imagine that was fair comment) Show you're Mr Right... I am asking him to prove he is a cut above and is not going to go the same way as our previous dates - I'm not saying he is a cheap date (though compared to a more experienced manager he is probably cheap as far as Mr Higgs is concerned!) A lot of people on these forums seem to think he's already achieved something. He hasn't. The whole idea is to try to entertain and make the blog readable... those phrases were part of the theme I was developing. You're not supposed to take them as gospel. I get the analogies. My point was the blokle has taken us to second in the league. We have a decent chance of going straight back up. Apart from steamrollering the division what more can he do?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 19:43:47 GMT
That really is pathetic. Who said he is hiding behind anything? He certainly hasnt. Im just glad im not a rovers supporter out of the same mould as you. We see the Rovers situation differently. That's fine.
Exactly what I said... he isn't hiding behind anything. You, though, are making excuses for him when he doesn't need any. Inexperienced, pah! As for what sort of Rovers supporter you are: There are quite a few of us, and we don't all have the same opinions. That's why this is a forum not a love-in. Typical old hack. By the way how is stating facts making excuses? The irony from many on here is brilliant when you think about it. so how many years does a manager need to have behind him to be classed as experienced? 1? 10? Don't tell me,experience doesn't count!! Managers just walk through the office door and hey presto! Circumstances don't count but everything is expected!?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 19:44:56 GMT
Brizzle, Brizzle, Brizzle my bitter,twisted friend... not. Please,please just ignore. Many Thanks. What a puerile post that is. If you had actually read my post you will see that I am agreeing with you, but is it really necessary to ram the point down everyone's throat over and over again? And if it makes you feel better to resort to personal abuse, then please continue because it really won't affect me. I do remember that irishrover posted recently that we should attack the post, and not the poster. Good advice that, not that it would apply to yourself of course. Just sod off and stop your patronising.
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Post by LJG on Feb 5, 2015 19:51:27 GMT
The Rational One strikes again. Quite the conversationallist too if you're a fan of repetition and blind aggression.
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Post by vaughan on Feb 5, 2015 20:01:17 GMT
MayI just express a few opinions here:
I like DC. 2nd place deserves respect. We all want him to be successful. The Forum should be a rich tapestry of opinions. The whole point of doing a blog is to provoke debate. The Conference is no Hotel du Vin.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 20:18:26 GMT
What a puerile post that is. If you had actually read my post you will see that I am agreeing with you, but is it really necessary to ram the point down everyone's throat over and over again? And if it makes you feel better to resort to personal abuse, then please continue because it really won't affect me. I do remember that irishrover posted recently that we should attack the post, and not the poster. Good advice that, not that it would apply to yourself of course. Just sod off and stop your patronising. Goodness me Is this really necessary?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 20:20:33 GMT
MayI just express a few opinions here: I like DC. 2nd place deserves respect. We all want him to be successful. The Forum should be a rich tapestry of opinions. The whole point of doing a blog is to provoke debate. The Conference is no Hotel du Vin. Personally I find the Hotel du Vin pretentious and over rated (ha ha)
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Post by buckrippers on Feb 5, 2015 20:23:05 GMT
You come across as a pretty sharp bloke, surely you can see they are analogies? Greasy spoon (compared to the Football League that's what the Conference is. Look at some of the grounds/pitches etc) Good job, decent money (compared to clubs like Dartford, Woking, Altrincham, Nuneaton I would imagine that was fair comment) Show you're Mr Right... I am asking him to prove he is a cut above and is not going to go the same way as our previous dates - I'm not saying he is a cheap date (though compared to a more experienced manager he is probably cheap as far as Mr Higgs is concerned!) A lot of people on these forums seem to think he's already achieved something. He hasn't. The whole idea is to try to entertain and make the blog readable... those phrases were part of the theme I was developing. You're not supposed to take them as gospel. I get the analogies. My point was the blokle has taken us to second in the league. We have a decent chance of going straight back up. Apart from steamrollering the division what more can he do? How about outthinking a few managers who probably get to train and drill their part-time players a couple of nights a week if they're lucky? I think he has done OK but failing to win at Dartford, Woking, Alfreton, Braintree, Altrincham, Wrexham, Chester, Aldershot and Welling (may have missed some) isn't great when he still has players to call on like Mildenhall, Brown, Parkes, Lockyer, Monkhouse and Mansell, who are all Football League standard. I know people will say these teams raise their game when they face Rovers but did anyone really think that Dartford excelled themselves, or Woking come to that? I get the fact he has had to rebuild the spirit, and he's done a decent job with that, absolutely. But sometimes his team selection and tactics are open to question and he's a bit of a tinkerman, as Daniel Leadbitter confirmed the other day. I certainly don't agree with him saying "we deserved to win the game" as he did after Dartford. People who didn't go to that game might think we dominated the game. We didn't by any means. I don't think we did anywhere near enough to take the three points.
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Post by buckrippers on Feb 5, 2015 20:28:39 GMT
MayI just express a few opinions here: I like DC. 2nd place deserves respect. We all want him to be successful. The Forum should be a rich tapestry of opinions. The whole point of doing a blog is to provoke debate. The Conference is no Hotel du Vin. Personally I find the Hotel du Vin pretentious and over rated (ha ha) Totally. Remember when Rovers were supposed to be playing home games at Cheltenham? I was booked in to stay there for a weekend as a guest to review the Hotel du Vin for the newspaper I was working on. As it was, Rovers ended up playing their first game at the Mem and my wife came with me. We drove to Cheltenham afterwards and arrived still in our football "clothes" (jeans and big coats). We were greeted by snooty looks and when we changed and went to dinner later the female maitre' d looked my wife up and down and said "You scrub up nicely". I felt like walking out, but we didn't, because the dinner was free. Pretentious? Absolutely!
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Feb 5, 2015 21:06:44 GMT
I get the analogies. My point was the blokle has taken us to second in the league. We have a decent chance of going straight back up. Apart from steamrollering the division what more can he do? How about outthinking a few managers who probably get to train and drill their part-time players a couple of nights a week if they're lucky? I think he has done OK but failing to win at Dartford, Woking, Alfreton, Braintree, Altrincham, Wrexham, Chester, Aldershot and Welling (may have missed some) isn't great when he still has players to call on like Mildenhall, Brown, Parkes, Lockyer, Monkhouse and Mansell, who are all Football League standard. I know people will say these teams raise their game when they face Rovers but did anyone really think that Dartford excelled themselves, or Woking come to that? I get the fact he has had to rebuild the spirit, and he's done a decent job with that, absolutely. But sometimes his team selection and tactics are open to question and he's a bit of a tinkerman, as Daniel Leadbitter confirmed the other day. I certainly don't agree with him saying "we deserved to win the game" as he did after Dartford. People who didn't go to that game might think we dominated the game. We didn't by any means. I don't think we did anywhere near enough to take the three points. Clarke is here to stay pal, stop being so bitter about Clarke and who knows, you might even start enjoying the games we do win and being second a bit more!? Bristol Rovers draw at Dartford, Chelsea lost at home to Bradford. No comparison Clarke is a disgrace
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Post by buckrippers on Feb 5, 2015 21:14:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 21:23:47 GMT
How about outthinking a few managers who probably get to train and drill their part-time players a couple of nights a week if they're lucky? I think he has done OK but failing to win at Dartford, Woking, Alfreton, Braintree, Altrincham, Wrexham, Chester, Aldershot and Welling (may have missed some) isn't great when he still has players to call on like Mildenhall, Brown, Parkes, Lockyer, Monkhouse and Mansell, who are all Football League standard. I know people will say these teams raise their game when they face Rovers but did anyone really think that Dartford excelled themselves, or Woking come to that? I get the fact he has had to rebuild the spirit, and he's done a decent job with that, absolutely. But sometimes his team selection and tactics are open to question and he's a bit of a tinkerman, as Daniel Leadbitter confirmed the other day. I certainly don't agree with him saying "we deserved to win the game" as he did after Dartford. People who didn't go to that game might think we dominated the game. We didn't by any means. I don't think we did anywhere near enough to take the three points. Clarke is here to stay pal, stop being so bitter about Clarke and who knows, you might even start enjoying the games we do win and being second a bit more!? Bristol Rovers draw at Dartford, Chelsea lost at home to Bradford. No comparison Clarke is a disgrace Don't be daft. This discussion is about optimum tactics and performance. DC cannot guarantee the performances, obviously, but the tactics are his. if we don't want to lose, yep A+. if we want to win, C+ and has been said we have drawn against teams with a small percentage of the experience in the squad and resources we have. that cannot be satisfactory, can it? i myself thought after the Barnet away disaster that we would struggle badly, and very happy that this is not the case. but having witnessed the teams in this division, where we are should have been a minimum target. perhaps it was, but we now know we could have done better. one thing in defence of DC, if Taylor had not missed so many clear cut chances, the table may not look like it does. but then again DC stuck with him and that his down to him.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2015 21:30:17 GMT
I get the analogies. My point was the blokle has taken us to second in the league. We have a decent chance of going straight back up. Apart from steamrollering the division what more can he do? How about outthinking a few managers who probably get to train and drill their part-time players a couple of nights a week if they're lucky? I think he has done OK but failing to win at Dartford, Woking, Alfreton, Braintree, Altrincham, Wrexham, Chester, Aldershot and Welling (may have missed some) isn't great when he still has players to call on like Mildenhall, Brown, Parkes, Lockyer, Monkhouse and Mansell, who are all Football League standard. I know people will say these teams raise their game when they face Rovers but did anyone really think that Dartford excelled themselves, or Woking come to that? I get the fact he has had to rebuild the spirit, and he's done a decent job with that, absolutely. But sometimes his team selection and tactics are open to question and he's a bit of a tinkerman, as Daniel Leadbitter confirmed the other day. I certainly don't agree with him saying "we deserved to win the game" as he did after Dartford. People who didn't go to that game might think we dominated the game. We didn't by any means. I don't think we did anywhere near enough to take the three points. Trollope wasn't great when we led us to relegation with 25 goals Hoskins upfront, Buckle wasn't great when he was given an open cheque book the following season, McGhee wasn't great when he wasted Carayol's money on the likes of Kenneth & Riordan, neither was Ward great when he somehow got us relegated whilst still having one of the biggest budgets in Div 2. I feel alot of us are happy with DC just being OK, compared to recent failures. It might be irritating not to turnover teams like Dartford but it's a damn sight better being 2nd from top than 2nd form bottom, as we seemed to have been for the last few seasons.
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