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Post by Nobbygas on Feb 5, 2015 7:26:18 GMT
"It's obvious that Darell is making it up as he goes along reheating every old cliché in the book. He's been lucky so far because he has some good players who should never have been relegated......."
When I read complete and utter rubbish like that I have to wonder about the sanity of some of our fans.
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Post by icegas on Feb 5, 2015 7:56:31 GMT
I know DC has a lot of love from fans and no doubt I'll take more flak, but I think he got it wrong on Saturday. I hadn't seen us for a while but we were pretty poor against part-time opposition. Our two goals came from defensive mistakes and, in fairness, Dartford had better chances. So when DC once again says how frustrated he was with giving away the lead, he should look at the overall performance. He thinks we deserved to win... I don't. Here's my Post blog www.bristolpost.co.uk/BRISTOL-ROVERS-BLOG-Frankie-Prince-s-Bovver-Boots/story-25966855-detail/story.htmlHe is a better manager than you will ever be! I have to ask why you consider yourself a supporter, all you do is moan and criticise, I know that this is a common trait for Bristolians but, we are second in the league, and we need to think about the years Luton and Oxford, both bigger clubs than us in terms of history and size and be grateful we are not in the bottom half as they were for many years. The truth is we are where we are because for the last 7 years we have been on a downward spiral, which at last has been stopped. You need to accept that it is DC who has done that. Perhaps had we not let LL go because so many on the forum were asking "What does he do for his money?" The spiral would not have started, but there we are what do supporters really know about what goes on at the club, the truth is, nothing. The rumours and the "facts" on here and in other places are mostly fabricated.
Your blog would be much more interesting if it sounded like you supported the manager and the team; you don't. Therefore you are a follower, not a supporter
I find it Annoying when our own fans talk about how clubs like Luton and Oxford are much bigger clubs than us in a way like we are small fry compared to them!
Both are of a similar in size to us. Both have better historys in terms of having played top flight football, and at one point in time done something we never have - and that's won a major trophy. But I mean - league tables change each year,a few seasons ago both of those clubs were two levels below us in the football world and we are now below them.Things change and clubs that are bigger than others play there trade well below much smaller clubs then they are. Are a club like Wigan that have a tiny fanbase,however played in the Premier league for the best part of the last decade and won a fa cup in the last five years but had a crap history until they got taken over by Dave Whelan and a club that were on the same size really as Bath city in the 1970s really a bigger club than Bristol Rovers FC? - My answer to that is HELL NO!
Luton and Oxford do not have the potential fanbase that we have. Luton would run us close granted, but a clubs size is made of more than just a handful of trophies its won and current standings. A clubs size is made of course of up by the core of any club and that is its fanbase,the lifeline of any club.
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Post by alwaysgas on Feb 5, 2015 8:46:59 GMT
AS pathetic as the rubbish written slagging off posters for positive posts. I dont think the right to post positive posts is disputed, in the way that this thread has descended. Whatever next, a minimum attendance percentage before an opinion can be expressed. Usually this sort of guff is used to divert from the blindingly obvious. Did I miss your similar post in defence of Henbury Gas when he was getting personal abuse on here recently. Oh no sorry I forgot its alright to be unpleasant to positive posters. I have no problem with someone writing an opinion having seen just one game my point is why anyone would take seriously a blog from someone based on little current attendance.. I do feel sorry for people locked in he past, as dream as they will, you can only change the present.
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Post by Brockworth Gas on Feb 5, 2015 9:11:14 GMT
But how do you change the present / future if you don't ask questions or challenge? Don't really understand why this has become so personal. This is a forum - all opinions should be welcomed.
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Post by buckrippers on Feb 5, 2015 10:03:35 GMT
But how do you change the present / future if you don't ask questions or challenge? Don't really understand why this has become so personal. This is a forum - all opinions should be welcomed. Mate, I'm strong enough in my own feelings and beliefs to put up with people's criticism even when it descends into the personal. There are plenty of friends and work colleagues who know me and respect my opinions to counter-balance the others, and I do get positive responses to what I write. Not so many on this forum, maybe, but people are more likely to take to the computer when they disagree with someone. Personally, I think there is still a fear factor around Rovers in which people seem to think "Ooooh, no, you can't be negative, it might permeate to the club and lose us points". As for those who criticise me for not going to matches: When I lived in Bristol you couldn't keep me away from the Mem, even when crowds had dwindled to nothing under David Penney; even when I'd just come out of hospital after a serious operation and wasn't supposed to stand on a terrace for two hours. I guess those saying this are young lads (compared with me, anyway) who keep harking on with the line "You're not a supporter, you don't go to enough games". Get made redundant and move to London because that's where the work is and you have a family to support, work weekends because that is when you are needed, then find time to attend every match. I'll ask the same question of some of you: Do you go to EVERY MATCH you can? Or do you sometimes say: The weather's crap, I can't be bothered today? I've never said that. If I can go, I go.
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Post by pirate49 on Feb 5, 2015 11:06:23 GMT
Can't see much wrong with the article myself, though perhaps the views are expressed slightly provocatively. Before the disagreements start I go to every home game, and away games when I can...I was at Woking and Dartford. DC to me is a 'work-experience' manager. He's doing his best, and to be second is no mean feat. Only time will tell if his best is good enough. I haven't yet seen us put in a 90 minute convincing performance, and we're well past the half-way stage of the season. Against Woking and Dartford there was little to choose between the sides. We are second because there are loads of average sides who all work hard,and we are just a bit better than them at times; and there are no signs of superior fitness in the latter stages of matches. The effort is there, but our players, with the exception of Sinclair, do not look much better than those lining up for the opposition once the games start. Not only are we in the Conference, but we are a Conference side.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 11:10:25 GMT
I dont think the right to post positive posts is disputed, in the way that this thread has descended. Whatever next, a minimum attendance percentage before an opinion can be expressed. Usually this sort of guff is used to divert from the blindingly obvious. Did I miss your similar post in defence of Henbury Gas when he was getting personal abuse on here recently. Oh no sorry I forgot its alright to be unpleasant to positive posters. I have no problem with someone writing an opinion having seen just one game my point is why anyone would take seriously a blog from someone based on little current attendance.. I do feel sorry for people locked in he past, as dream as they will, you can only change the present. can you not see the present is locked into the past ?. try telling box 1 to move forward/change tack
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Post by irishrover on Feb 5, 2015 11:36:30 GMT
God save me from arguments about right the to have opinions. It's quite simple - everyone has the right to express an opinion but there is no right to have that opinion respected by others. I think people confuse those 2 things sometimes. Censoring free speech is stopping somebody expressing an opinion; it's not calling someone's opinion stupid or wrong. Other than that it would be good if people played the ball and not the man in general.
In the games I've seen this year I've been quite impressed with Clarke's ability to change the shape of the team during the game. In all the matches I've been to he's made a couple of subtle changes and they've nearly all worked by tipping the game in our favour. Didn't mean they always resulted in us winning but it gave me the impression that he knows what he's doing. However, while he may be a good cook I'm not quite so convinced he's a good grocery shopper; I've not been massively impressed by the players he's signed in general. That may not be entirely his fault of course but I think if he doesn't succeed at Rovers it will be because he didn't have good enough players not because he didn't know how to use them, which makes him the opposite of most recent managers I feel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 12:10:11 GMT
The only thing that I still find odd about Dartford, is why we played the ball on the deck more, than in games when we have played on a good pitch. Playing out from the back was very iffy at times on that surface Still I hope we play that way on Saturday,on a good pitch it should make for good viewing i wasnt at the game but maybe dartford allowed rovers space and time in our half? i noticed in the welling home game that happened ie welling sat back allowed us possession in our half and frustrated us for a time. i wasnt at the game so perhaps somebody could tell me if that was the case?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 12:28:59 GMT
The only thing that I still find odd about Dartford, is why we played the ball on the deck more, than in games when we have played on a good pitch. Playing out from the back was very iffy at times on that surface Still I hope we play that way on Saturday,on a good pitch it should make for good viewing i wasnt at the game but maybe dartford allowed rovers space and time in our half? i noticed in the welling home game that happened ie welling sat back allowed us possession in our half and frustrated us for a time. i wasnt at the game so perhaps somebody could tell me if that was the case? pretty much though in the second half they put pressure on our defenders to try long passes which didnt come off cos of the mud
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 12:49:07 GMT
i wasnt at the game but maybe dartford allowed rovers space and time in our half? i noticed in the welling home game that happened ie welling sat back allowed us possession in our half and frustrated us for a time. i wasnt at the game so perhaps somebody could tell me if that was the case? pretty much though in the second half they put pressure on our defenders to try long passes which didnt come off cos of the mud thanks for that
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Post by droitwichgas on Feb 5, 2015 13:22:21 GMT
Can't see much wrong with the article myself, though perhaps the views are expressed slightly provocatively. Before the disagreements start I go to every home game, and away games when I can...I was at Woking and Dartford. DC to me is a 'work-experience' manager. He's doing his best, and to be second is no mean feat. Only time will tell if his best is good enough. I haven't yet seen us put in a 90 minute convincing performance, and we're well past the half-way stage of the season. Against Woking and Dartford there was little to choose between the sides. We are second because there are loads of average sides who all work hard,and we are just a bit better than them at times; and there are no signs of superior fitness in the latter stages of matches. The effort is there, but our players, with the exception of Sinclair, do not look much better than those lining up for the opposition once the games start. Not only are we in the Conference, but we are a Conference side. But wasn't it suggested by Luton etc that the only way to ge out of the Conference was to become the best Conference side, not a a good league side playing in the Conference? Given we have 3 players virtually in the England C squad we must be a pretty decent Conference side, regardless, Lockyer, Parkes, McM, Brown, & Mansel could probably all still hold down places in a Div 2. If Barnet hadn't signed Akinde we'd be looking at a v. intersting end to the season can we ask for more than that given what usually happens to relegated sides? in my view DC's doing a decent job and, like most posters I sense on this forum, I've been watching Rovers for decades not years, posters opinions across both forums his, usually, v. similar by being in support of DC.
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Post by droitwichgas on Feb 5, 2015 13:25:38 GMT
The 38-year-old, who played for Jamaica at the 1998 World Cup, was released from his contract with Scunthorpe by mutual consent last month.
He suffered a knee injury in his second game with York and has not played competitively since 8 November
Why sign him after Turley's injury woes?
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Post by brizzle on Feb 5, 2015 14:00:07 GMT
For me the team has performed and achieved more than I thought they would after the debacle of the first game I witnessed at Barnet. But then I also witnessed the frustrating performances as well. The most recent for me was at Woking where the lack of width in our play appeared obvious against a very limited team who played much worse than their performance at the Mem, which I witnessed also. For me Clarke is a very negative manager who appears intent on not losing, rather than focus on winning. The only time that was not true was that I saw wascthe first half against Barnet at home when, with a player like LDV available, we tore into them and made them look like amateurs. I am not convinced that DC will lead the team much higher than we already are, but then I remember his interview after the Forest Green away game where he made the comment about ignoring the events off the pitchcand wonder sometimes to what degree his hands are tied. Who knows, and I hope I am very wrong. As fot the rubbish written slagging off a poster for expressing an opinion, well its unbelievable really. But it seems to happen on any topic where anyone dare point out the failings at the club.Its pathetic I must say that I agree with the highlighted parts of your post in particular. The manager appears to be motivated more by keeping his unbeaten run going, rather than gambling on a win. I read a post on here recently where someone correctly pointed out that it was possible to accrue more points by winning and losing games in equal measure, rather than drawing the majority with an occasional win (or loss) thrown in. As for your second (highlighted) point, I would again agree. Why is it not possible to give an honest personal view on the team and managers performance, whilst still supporting both? After all we are all individuals with individual thoughts and opinions, and only by debating points in a reasonable fashion can subjects be aired successfully. This shouting down of an alternative view seems to be developing more and more on here, ever since the Current Affairs section was closed down in fact.
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 5, 2015 14:11:04 GMT
Honest opinion and criticism are fine but words such as these I think are uncalled for
"We are slumming it in a greasy spoon, being seated at the table next to the toilets and being asked to choose from the bargain menu.
“Well I’m sorry, Darrell. You seem like a nice boy but it’s time you pulled your socks up. You have a good job with decent money and I expect just a little bit more.
“It’s time you showed we’ve finally landed Mr Right... and not just another cheap date.”
The bloke has got us to second in the league, maybe we should be doing it a bit better, but these last sentences for me are a p*ss take and makes it sound as if DC has us knocking around mid-table with no chance of doing anything
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 14:42:54 GMT
The only thing that I still find odd about Dartford, is why we played the ball on the deck more, than in games when we have played on a good pitch. Playing out from the back was very iffy at times on that surface Still I hope we play that way on Saturday,on a good pitch it should make for good viewing i wasnt at the game but maybe dartford allowed rovers space and time in our half? i noticed in the welling home game that happened ie welling sat back allowed us possession in our half and frustrated us for a time. i wasnt at the game so perhaps somebody could tell me if that was the case? There were a couple of times in the second half they had us penned in by the corner flag,we passed our way out just,usually we would have got rid of the ball down the line. I thought at the time looking at that pitch it was a risky thing to do. Trying to run with the ball through the middle of the pitch was also very difficult, also to try and pass along the ground through the middle. I felt at the time we could have bypassed the middle a bit more and hit it long to Blissett or in the channels. Much prefer a passing game but on that pitch,and we do go long ball quite often in most games,we kept it on the deck to much,never thought I would say that Just my opinion of course
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Post by vaughan on Feb 5, 2015 14:43:14 GMT
Honest opinion and criticism are fine but words such as these I think are uncalled for "We are slumming it in a greasy spoon, being seated at the table next to the toilets and being asked to choose from the bargain menu.
“Well I’m sorry, Darrell. You seem like a nice boy but it’s time you pulled your socks up. You have a good job with decent money and I expect just a little bit more.
“It’s time you showed we’ve finally landed Mr Right... and not just another cheap date.”
The bloke has got us to second in the league, maybe we should be doing it a bit better, but these last sentences for me are a p*ss take and makes it sound as if DC has us knocking around mid-table with no chance of doing anything
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Post by vaughan on Feb 5, 2015 14:47:45 GMT
Disgusting or funny - it's just another opinion!!!
His nick-name was Trigger so I'm sure he can cope with "you seem like a nice boy".
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Post by irishrover on Feb 5, 2015 15:24:39 GMT
Disgusting or funny - it's just another opinion!!! His nick-name was Trigger so I'm sure he can cope with "you seem like a nice boy". I think PP was arguing with the sentiments expressed - not the language used.
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Post by buckrippers on Feb 5, 2015 17:17:06 GMT
Honest opinion and criticism are fine but words such as these I think are uncalled for "We are slumming it in a greasy spoon, being seated at the table next to the toilets and being asked to choose from the bargain menu.
“Well I’m sorry, Darrell. You seem like a nice boy but it’s time you pulled your socks up. You have a good job with decent money and I expect just a little bit more.
“It’s time you showed we’ve finally landed Mr Right... and not just another cheap date.”
The bloke has got us to second in the league, maybe we should be doing it a bit better, but these last sentences for me are a p*ss take and makes it sound as if DC has us knocking around mid-table with no chance of doing anything You come across as a pretty sharp bloke, surely you can see they are analogies? Greasy spoon (compared to the Football League that's what the Conference is. Look at some of the grounds/pitches etc) Good job, decent money (compared to clubs like Dartford, Woking, Altrincham, Nuneaton I would imagine that was fair comment) Show you're Mr Right... I am asking him to prove he is a cut above and is not going to go the same way as our previous dates - I'm not saying he is a cheap date (though compared to a more experienced manager he is probably cheap as far as Mr Higgs is concerned!) A lot of people on these forums seem to think he's already achieved something. He hasn't. The whole idea is to try to entertain and make the blog readable... those phrases were part of the theme I was developing. You're not supposed to take them as gospel.
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