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Post by dido on Feb 4, 2015 15:03:52 GMT
"Is anyone trying to achieve anything by posting their opinion on a internet messageboard?"
How long have you got? !!
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faggotygas
Byron Anthony
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Post by faggotygas on Feb 4, 2015 15:10:58 GMT
He is a better manager than you will ever be! I have to ask why you consider yourself a supporter, all you do is moan and criticise, I know that this is a common trait for Bristolians but, we are second in the league, and we need to think about the years Luton and Oxford, both bigger clubs than us in terms of history and size and be grateful we are not in the bottom half as they were for many years. The truth is we are where we are because for the last 7 years we have been on a downward spiral, which at last has been stopped. You need to accept that it is DC who has done that. Perhaps had we not let LL go because so many on the forum were asking "What does he do for his money?" The spiral would not have started, but there we are what do supporters really know about what goes on at the club, the truth is, nothing. The rumours and the "facts" on here and in other places are mostly fabricated.
Your blog would be much more interesting if it sounded like you supported the manager and the team; you don't. Therefore you are a follower, not a supporter
What the hell is that supposed to mean? You can only be classed a supporter if you accept everything at the club is hunky dory, refrain from comment, stick on your ra-ra skirt and wave your pom-poms in the air? I should have worked on Saturday but gave up a day's pay to take four different trains in order to get to Dartford, having paid for my ticket. For 90 minutes I shouted and encouraged the team in an effort to will them to victory. Back in the day I went to nearly every home and away match when a lot of others couldn't be bothered. I don't now because I am 55, have a family and work commitments and, quite frankly, don't find cold days on Conference terraces that appealing. Others work the week and have Saturdays off and feel differently, so fine. But it's not like I'm some glory hunter who goes to Wembley once every ten years. I have heard a lot about DC forging a team capable of challenge for promotion, but sometimes I think his own tactics and approach need questioning. I've seen us a few times away under his command and rarely have we created more than a handful of chances. Drawing at places like Alfreton and Dartford, when we have full-time players who should be fitter and more than capable of winning in these places, requires people to at least debate the tactics used and question the man responsible. The manager seems happy to criticize the likes of Tom Parkes for perhaps the only mistake he made in horrendous conditions, but doesn't ask himself whether his own input was good enough to create more than two chances on goal. That's the view of a supporter, not a follower, and if it doesn't sit well with you then fair enough. From what I can tell, being full time doesn't guarantee that you will always beat part time teams. Barnet have drawn against Dover, Braintree and Telford this season. Last season Luton lost to Southport and Braintree, and drew against Aldershot.
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faggotygas
Byron Anthony
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Post by faggotygas on Feb 4, 2015 15:13:38 GMT
He is a better manager than you will ever be! I have to ask why you consider yourself a supporter, all you do is moan and criticise, I know that this is a common trait for Bristolians but, we are second in the league, and we need to think about the years Luton and Oxford, both bigger clubs than us in terms of history and size and be grateful we are not in the bottom half as they were for many years. The truth is we are where we are because for the last 7 years we have been on a downward spiral, which at last has been stopped. You need to accept that it is DC who has done that. Perhaps had we not let LL go because so many on the forum were asking "What does he do for his money?" The spiral would not have started, but there we are what do supporters really know about what goes on at the club, the truth is, nothing. The rumours and the "facts" on here and in other places are mostly fabricated.
Your blog would be much more interesting if it sounded like you supported the manager and the team; you don't. Therefore you are a follower, not a supporter
What the hell is that supposed to mean? You can only be classed a supporter if you accept everything at the club is hunky dory, refrain from comment, stick on your ra-ra skirt and wave your pom-poms in the air? I should have worked on Saturday but gave up a day's pay to take four different trains in order to get to Dartford, having paid for my ticket. For 90 minutes I shouted and encouraged the team in an effort to will them to victory. Back in the day I went to nearly every home and away match when a lot of others couldn't be bothered. I don't now because I am 55, have a family and work commitments and, quite frankly, don't find cold days on Conference terraces that appealing. Others work the week and have Saturdays off and feel differently, so fine. But it's not like I'm some glory hunter who goes to Wembley once every ten years. I have heard a lot about DC forging a team capable of challenge for promotion, but sometimes I think his own tactics and approach need questioning. I've seen us a few times away under his command and rarely have we created more than a handful of chances. Drawing at places like Alfreton and Dartford, when we have full-time players who should be fitter and more than capable of winning in these places, requires people to at least debate the tactics used and question the man responsible. The manager seems happy to criticize the likes of Tom Parkes for perhaps the only mistake he made in horrendous conditions, but doesn't ask himself whether his own input was good enough to create more than two chances on goal. That's the view of a supporter, not a follower, and if it doesn't sit well with you then fair enough. And the BBC says that we had 14 shots against Dartford. You definition of 'chance' must be different to most people's - perhaps you are thinking of 'goal'.
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Post by buckrippers on Feb 4, 2015 15:38:39 GMT
What the hell is that supposed to mean? You can only be classed a supporter if you accept everything at the club is hunky dory, refrain from comment, stick on your ra-ra skirt and wave your pom-poms in the air? I should have worked on Saturday but gave up a day's pay to take four different trains in order to get to Dartford, having paid for my ticket. For 90 minutes I shouted and encouraged the team in an effort to will them to victory. Back in the day I went to nearly every home and away match when a lot of others couldn't be bothered. I don't now because I am 55, have a family and work commitments and, quite frankly, don't find cold days on Conference terraces that appealing. Others work the week and have Saturdays off and feel differently, so fine. But it's not like I'm some glory hunter who goes to Wembley once every ten years. I have heard a lot about DC forging a team capable of challenge for promotion, but sometimes I think his own tactics and approach need questioning. I've seen us a few times away under his command and rarely have we created more than a handful of chances. Drawing at places like Alfreton and Dartford, when we have full-time players who should be fitter and more than capable of winning in these places, requires people to at least debate the tactics used and question the man responsible. The manager seems happy to criticize the likes of Tom Parkes for perhaps the only mistake he made in horrendous conditions, but doesn't ask himself whether his own input was good enough to create more than two chances on goal. That's the view of a supporter, not a follower, and if it doesn't sit well with you then fair enough. And the BBC says that we had 14 shots against Dartford. You definition of 'chance' must be different to most people's - perhaps you are thinking of 'goal'.
Must be true then. Did the BBC list them? I remember a shot across the box from Monkhouse that was pretty close towards the end, I must have been asleep for the others
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Alveston Gas
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Post by Alveston Gas on Feb 4, 2015 15:52:23 GMT
I am pleased to see that generally the replies in this post have been pro Darrell Clark. I think he has done as well as could be expected in his first season at the helm of a troubled and fast sinking club. It's been stabilised, turned around and now we are very difficult to beat and from time to time look pretty decent. This side is far more fun to watch than many of our recent sides, partly because we don't often loose but also because we never give up and battle just like the supporters would if they were in the team.
To turn on DC at this time is disloyal, disrespectful and downright uncalled for. He deserves our support for giving us a little bit of hope that we might return from where we came far far quicker than we rightfully deserve to. It's been a one man show as far as I am concerned. The Board has hidden but DC has been there since Mansfield standing tall, taking flak and starting to make us proud again. Any undeserved criticism should fall on deaf ears!
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Post by me on Feb 4, 2015 16:08:19 GMT
He 'dragged you to Dartford'? What a load of crap, if you didn't want to go then why did you? As most people have rightly said DC is achieving far more than people on here expected, so why do you continually moan about him? Yes he has made mistakes because he is human and is learning the job, but trying to change what's been going on at BRFC for the last 4-5 years is not something that happens overnight. I don't normally read your blogs because they are so negative, I wish I hadn't read this one.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 4, 2015 16:38:57 GMT
The title of op is true. No one person is 100% correct 100% of the time. Very few managers deflect blame 100%, of the time.
As much as he is to blame, then by the same token, the players got to step up and take responsibility for their individual errors.
Clarke isn't beyond criticism any more than anyone else is. I think in his first season managing us, he has made more positive inroads, than negative. And the players whom play under him are far more up for the shirt than they were last season. So we can see marked change.
If this isn't good enough for some people, then fine. That's their opinion. They pay their money, like myself and are entitled to opinion. So why don't we all join together and support? Be loud. Be vocal. Be responsible. Sing our hearts out and cheer the Gas on..
Or shout out negatives, moan, groan, overly criticise.
I know which I'd rather be...
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Post by alloutofgas on Feb 4, 2015 16:56:45 GMT
Nick, poor you. Being dragged to Dartford, four, yes four trains. Oh dear. Christ mate, if we were to start a thread 'crap away trips', it'd be enormous. I've been to a few this season and we've come away with a point on every occasion. Not jumping for joy experiences, but ok ones. Stop moaning and give Darrell and the boys some credit
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brizzle
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Post by brizzle on Feb 4, 2015 17:05:22 GMT
The title of op is true. No one person is 100% correct 100% of the time. Very few managers deflect blame 100%, of the time. As much as he is to blame, then by the same token, the players got to step up and take responsibility for their individual errors. Clarke isn't beyond criticism any more than anyone else is. I think in his first season managing us, he has made more positive inroads, than negative. And the players whom play under him are far more up for the shirt than they were last season. So we can see marked change. If this isn't good enough for some people, then fine. That's their opinion. They pay their money, like myself and are entitled to opinion. So why don't we all join together and support? Be loud. Be vocal. Be responsible. Sing our hearts out and cheer the Gas on.. Or shout out negatives, moan, groan, overly criticise. I know which I'd rather be... Standby for a very strong response on that one, and the best of luck to you too o2o2bo2ba. We seem to have entered an age where any adverse comment against the perceived norm is met with howls of derision. But which party is right, and which party is wrong, eh? As you say we are all entitled to an opinion, aren't we? What a boring world if we were to all agree, or even have to agree. It would be a bit like like living in 1950s-1980s Communist China or Russia.
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alwaysgas
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Post by alwaysgas on Feb 4, 2015 17:05:28 GMT
I don't read his blogs either as life is too short to waste on hot air.
However, based on his post I would be quite interested to know what his qualifications are for his comments on the football side of rovers.
What level of football has he played at and what coaching qualifications does he have?
He quite clearly doesn't understand the difficulty of playing on the poor pitch on Saturday, which was obvious to most spectators there.
Man U moaned about a far better pitch than the Dartford one, which shouldn't have been deemed unplayable on the day.
The team are giving 100% this year and appear to have an excellent team spirit.
Whether you are a true supporter is irrelevant really but what you can't do if you don't go to many matches is know what the standard of the other teams are or how well or not rovers are playing.
A number of people who are supporters don't go to matches for various reasons but they are still fans but only an idiot would take notice of an opinion on the current team from one who goes to few matches.
One does have to question why the post prints a blog about the team from someone who rarely watches them but then they have an article about why Connor went to Barnet but not on why Doyle joined Cardiff.
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Post by buckrippers on Feb 4, 2015 17:12:22 GMT
Nick, poor you. Being dragged to Dartford, four, yes four trains. Oh dear. Christ mate, if we were to start a thread 'crap away trips', it'd be enormous. I've been to a few this season and we've come away with a point on every occasion. Not jumping for joy experiences, but ok ones. Stop moaning and give Darrell and the boys some credit Martin Bull's written a book about them... highly amusing it is, too!
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Feb 4, 2015 17:21:39 GMT
I don't get what people are trying to achieve with the continuing critici sm of Darrell Clarke? At the start of the season my expectations were in the gutter and to get to second with a squad of good honest players who all seem to be pulling in the same direction is not to be sniffed at! If Stuart Sinclair hadn't fractured his foot in training, I'm certain we'd now be two points behind Barnet and the momentum would be with us. Fortunately the majority of supporters (or followers) don't seem narrow minded enough to not be able to recognise the occasions when we have been unfortunate. Is anyone trying to achieve anything by posting their opinion on a internet messageboard? Each to their own I guess, can't be too enjoyable disliking a manager when they're doing pretty well however.
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Peter Parker
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 4, 2015 17:26:36 GMT
The title of op is true. No one person is 100% correct 100% of the time. Very few managers deflect blame 100%, of the time. As much as he is to blame, then by the same token, the players got to step up and take responsibility for their individual errors. Clarke isn't beyond criticism any more than anyone else is. I think in his first season managing us, he has made more positive inroads, than negative. And the players whom play under him are far more up for the shirt than they were last season. So we can see marked change. If this isn't good enough for some people, then fine. That's their opinion. They pay their money, like myself and are entitled to opinion. So why don't we all join together and support? Be loud. Be vocal. Be responsible. Sing our hearts out and cheer the Gas on.. Or shout out negatives, moan, groan, overly criticise. I know which I'd rather be... Standby for a very strong response on that one, and the best of luck to you too o2o2bo2ba. We seem to have entered an age where any adverse comment against the perceived norm is met with howls of derision. But which party is right, and which party is wrong, eh? As you say we are all entitled to an opinion, aren't we? What a boring world if we were to all agree, or even have to agree. It would be a bit like like living in 1950s-1980s Communist China or Russia. Clarke can be criticised. Some of his substitutions have been odd in my eyes.
However Mr Rippington's piece was provocative (perhaps the point), and it appeared to lump DC in with some of the poor managers and chancers that have gone before him, which to be was uncalled for.
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Post by Brockworth Gas on Feb 4, 2015 17:30:11 GMT
There was some debate on Saturday as to why Dawson was warming the bench when the team was crying out for some pace and creativity. Also why Puddy was replaced by Mildenhall after a number of decent performances. Both valid questions - surely this forum can endure a little debate about the team DC picks and the shape he has them play in?
I personally will be delighted with a play off spot and if DC achieves that then fair play to him. It doesn't mean however that I think he is getting it right all the time. I'd rather see him take the braver option occasionally away from home. We have no right to beat part time Dartford - but they'd lost the past 4 on the bounce so were there for the taking.
He's done a huge amount right - and has a squad more than capable of a top 5 finish - but he must turn these draws away into wins (occasionally) as there will inevitably be points dropped at home in the run in.
And keep doing what you're doing Nick! It's all about opinions after all!
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Post by buckrippers on Feb 4, 2015 17:37:26 GMT
I don't read his blogs either as life is too short to waste on hot air. However, based on his post I would be quite interested to know what his qualifications are for his comments on the football side of rovers. What level of football has he played at and what coaching qualifications does he have? He quite clearly doesn't understand the difficulty of playing on the poor pitch on Saturday, which was obvious to most spectators there. Man U moaned about a far better pitch than the Dartford one, which shouldn't have been deemed unplayable on the day. The team are giving 100% this year and appear to have an excellent team spirit. Whether you are a true supporter is irrelevant really but what you can't do if you don't go to many matches is know what the standard of the other teams are or how well or not rovers are playing. A number of people who are supporters don't go to matches for various reasons but they are still fans but only an idiot would take notice of an opinion on the current team from one who goes to few matches. One does have to question why the post prints a blog about the team from someone who rarely watches them but then they have an article about why Connor went to Barnet but not on why Doyle joined Cardiff. So what qualifies someone to voice an opinion? How many games? Is that one season or 47 years of watching? What is a good cross section for which to gauge opinion on Darrell Clarke's management style, tactics etc. How many games am I supposed to see? Five, ten, 15... I have to go to them all? Or do you just want James McNamara's opinion as he goes to all the games. Mind you, he's not really giving a supporter's view is he? Mostly, he records the manager and players opinions. Just asking. People don't have to agree with me, as is pretty obvious the case on here, but what's the point in just writing platitudes through rose-tinted spectacles. I actually think people are scared on here because they know how fragile this "revival" is and are scared that any whisper of negativity will see it all go wrong. If you believe in DC that much he should be good enough to rise above a few critical comments on a website
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 17:40:27 GMT
Being an old hack I would have thought that Buckrippers would be more than familier with ' football Manager' speak. How many interviews have I seen after watching a game on the tele from managers and thought 'what the fook is he on about'! Virtually every other one. But DC wasn't that far off the mark imo. Let's face it, if mildenhall dropped to the floor when the corner came in not too much would be said in a negative way after Saturday. Ifs buts and maybes.
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Post by brizzle on Feb 4, 2015 17:40:27 GMT
Standby for a very strong response on that one, and the best of luck to you too o2o2bo2ba. We seem to have entered an age where any adverse comment against the perceived norm is met with howls of derision. But which party is right, and which party is wrong, eh? As you say we are all entitled to an opinion, aren't we? What a boring world if we were to all agree, or even have to agree. It would be a bit like like living in 1950s-1980s Communist China or Russia. Clarke can be criticised. Some of his substitutions have been odd in my eyes.
However Mr Rippington's piece was provocative (perhaps the point), and it appeared to lump DC in with some of the poor managers and chancers that have gone before him, which to be was uncalled for.
You have an advantage over me there PP, I'm assuming that Mr Rippington is actually o2o2bo2ba. Is that correct? Or in retrospect, perhaps he's the author of this thread? Who knows, eh? In any event I haven't read anything that is overly provocative.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 17:59:40 GMT
There was some debate on Saturday as to why Dawson was warming the bench when the team was crying out for some pace and creativity. Also why Puddy was replaced by Mildenhall after a number of decent performances. Both valid questions - surely this forum can endure a little debate about the team DC picks and the shape he has them play in? I personally will be delighted with a play off spot and if DC achieves that then fair play to him. It doesn't mean however that I think he is getting it right all the time. I'd rather see him take the braver option occasionally away from home. We have no right to beat part time Dartford - but they'd lost the past 4 on the bounce so were there for the taking. He's done a huge amount right - and has a squad more than capable of a top 5 finish - but he must turn these draws away into wins (occasionally) as there will inevitably be points dropped at home in the run in. And keep doing what you're doing Nick! It's all about opinions after all! Good post and keep throwing the hand grenades Nick, opinions is what this great game is all about.
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Post by gas2 on Feb 4, 2015 18:04:41 GMT
hes the best manager we have had in years
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alwaysgas
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Post by alwaysgas on Feb 4, 2015 18:17:35 GMT
I don't read his blogs either as life is too short to waste on hot air. However, based on his post I would be quite interested to know what his qualifications are for his comments on the football side of rovers. What level of football has he played at and what coaching qualifications does he have? He quite clearly doesn't understand the difficulty of playing on the poor pitch on Saturday, which was obvious to most spectators there. Man U moaned about a far better pitch than the Dartford one, which shouldn't have been deemed unplayable on the day. The team are giving 100% this year and appear to have an excellent team spirit. Whether you are a true supporter is irrelevant really but what you can't do if you don't go to many matches is know what the standard of the other teams are or how well or not rovers are playing. A number of people who are supporters don't go to matches for various reasons but they are still fans but only an idiot would take notice of an opinion on the current team from one who goes to few matches. One does have to question why the post prints a blog about the team from someone who rarely watches them but then they have an article about why Connor went to Barnet but not on why Doyle joined Cardiff. So what qualifies someone to voice an opinion? How many games? Is that one season or 47 years of watching? What is a good cross section for which to gauge opinion on Darrell Clarke's management style, tactics etc. How many games am I supposed to see? Five, ten, 15... I have to go to them all? Or do you just want James McNamara's opinion as he goes to all the games. Mind you, he's not really giving a supporter's view is he? Mostly, he records the manager and players opinions. Just asking. People don't have to agree with me, as is pretty obvious the case on here, but what's the point in just writing platitudes through rose-tinted spectacles. I actually think people are scared on here because they know how fragile this "revival" is and are scared that any whisper of negativity will see it all go wrong. If you believe in DC that much he should be good enough to rise above a few critical comments on a website Anybody can have an opinion but your supposed to be writing a blog based on knowledge of the game and of how the team is playing this year. The number of years you have watched other teams are irrelevant to this team and if you rarely watch them to me your observations are as useful as a broken pencil. Perhaps you could inform us of when you watched a season of conference football in your cross section and which papers you have been aregular football correspondent for. As for whose opinion I like to hear. it is from ones, who go regularly even though I often disagree with some of their comments. I think the only thing thats fragile on here is your ego and you must be really sad that the bile you have churned out before hasn't yet come to pass. You come accross as a very bitter person but you never know we may not make the play offs and you can tell us all that if only JW was still mamager his pacy team would have got us back up.
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