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Post by brizzle on Dec 21, 2014 18:21:51 GMT
I've asked the same question myself without any reply, so my thought is that perhaps it's the same brigade who got their hair shirts out when the black goalkeeper cried ''Racism.'' It seems to me that some people do love a bit of drama, but don't necessarily think things through as well as they might. By drawing as much attention to the publicity-hungry goalie, who may well have had a political agenda as it turned out, they only added fuel to the fire. And to what end, that's the question that I would like answered, because it didn't do BRFC any favours at all. But just like the Green Party they will be back. It's in the genes you see. Can you name any of the hairshirt brigade Brizzle or are you another one who likes to talk about 'certain posters'. I personally think the condemnation of the incident and the swift, if rather superficial, anti-racism protest that was made afterwards did do Rovers a positive 'favour'. Jason Brown had reached the national press with his tweet without a single bit of contributory help from anyone on any forum. To return to the topic, Clarke is doing an ok job but to alter the terms the terms of his employment at this stage would strike me as slightly premature. Now you must excuse me, I've got sins to expiate. I could most willingly astafjevs, if I could remember the name of the thread . . . must be my (rapidly) advancing years is my only excuse. But as I suspect that this will not be good enough for you, allow me to elaborate, but please bear with me. Following the evening match with Dartford, the whole business of whether (or not) their goalkeeper had been racially abused by a spectator over a prolonged period, in full view of a match steward was the major talking point of that evening. It was a dull 1-0 wasn't it? The goalie who I believe had something of his own agenda, complained bitterly to the referee during the match without any action being taken by the official. After the game he took to Twitter and repeated his claims, this was taken up by the local and national Press, and at least Sky was reporting it ''live.'' Now all of this was very bad news for BRFC, as they could have ended up facing a charge from the Football Association, as well as all of the other unwelcome publicity. Now my instincts told me to keep schtum, but others were quick to take to the Forum to apologise. I strongly disagreed with this, preferring to allow the matter to take its course without any input from people who knew no more than me. In any event the whole business was a damp squib, a non-event because no action was taken by the Football Association nor Avon & Somerset's finest. The media interest died down as quickly as the goalkeeper had whipped it up, and I firmly believe that if some of our own supporters hadn't fanned the flames, then it would have been an even bigger non-event than it was in the beginning. Stuff and nonsense springs to mind both now and at the time, just my opinion of course. I hope that this answers your point adequately, and that you are now totally ''redeemed.''
{ This is my feeble attempt to illustrate ''expiate.'' I hope that it will do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 18:29:38 GMT
Yeah, I was one of those who condemned racism. Happy to admit it, shoot me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 18:32:47 GMT
I remember the debate Brizzle and although I don't exactly agree with you, I have no argument either.
It's more the idea of 'brigades' I would question. Just individuals with opinions, I reckon.
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Post by brizzle on Dec 21, 2014 18:37:56 GMT
Yeah, I was one of those who condemned racism. Happy to admit it, shoot me.Bit of an overreaction there I reckon, we all need to keep a sense of proportion.
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Post by brizzle on Dec 21, 2014 18:46:02 GMT
I remember the debate Brizzle and although I don't exactly agree with you, I have no argument either. It's more the idea of 'brigades' I would question. Just individuals with opinions, I reckon. You may well have a point there astafjevs, a bit flowery wasn't it, and probably a bit unnecessary on reflection. But bear with me as I was never trained as a journalist, and I do sometimes regret the choice of a word, or the use of an expression. I'm doing my best though, as I'm quite certain that we all are. Don't shoot the piano player, he's doing his best.
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Dec 21, 2014 18:55:08 GMT
The one year rolling contract worked well with Trolls and we should continue to do the same with DC. DC has a job to do. DC has also made it clear that he has unfinished business with us. Let him get on with it and let's reward him at the end of the season (if he earns that reward of course). Don't believe DC has a 1 year rolling contract though. From what Nick Higgs said previously Clarke has a contract that runs out this summer. Then we wait until the summer and assess the situation then IMO. I think the rolling contract is something that should be brought back in btw.
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Dec 21, 2014 19:01:24 GMT
Come on Brizzle look at the first reply on this thread, that tells you all you need to know about the nasty underbelly of dislike towards DC. You've got to laugh because they are very clever in not directly calling for head but insinuating just that and the sarcasm about him is embarrassing. To top it off, the very ones saying name and shame are the ones leading the vendetta against the manager. Westcountry, It's been perfectly clear to every contributor to this forum that you are a huge fan of DC, and there's nothing wrong with that by the way, in fact it is to be admired as a positive trait. But not everyone thinks the same way, that's human nature I suppose. When I hear you waxing lyrical about the Manager I often think back 12 months to when John Ward was in charge. You were not an admirer of JW were you, and you had every right not to be of course. Different horses for different courses I suppose. Do you recall the level of abuse that you received for your views on JW? But nevertheless you persisted, and credit to you for that. That alone may tell you how some others feel about the present Manager, as to how you felt about the former. Similarly not everyone is an admirer of the present Manager, as they again have every right not to be of course. After all this is not a Communist State, or even a Communist Forum if it comes to that, and we all express ourselves in varying ways. It seems to me that it is all a question of attuning to the individual posters wavelength. I've read the first reply as you have suggested, and I really can't see anything objectionable about it. It is the posters own style, is how I perceive it. I find it more difficult to deal with the ranting and raving brigade, whose only aim is to shout you down in the hope that you will either give up, or agree with them. I really am at a loss to know why they bother to post. Agree with me or else, is the message that comes through to me. For the record (and go back through the threads and check if you wish), but I am more FOR the Manager than AGAINST, but that doesn't mean that I tailor all of my posts from the admiring angle. I prefer to think that I am objective when I post, and I will continue to post in my own style. That's the problem though, it's very hard to understand the dislike of the current manager, so from my point of view saying they have every right to be unhappy with DC makes little sense. It's funny how i received abuse when calling for Wards head after an awful run in October & November where we played 9 league games, lost 5 of them and drew 4, during that period the football on show was dreadful and when desperate for a natural winger and a striker with pace, Ward signed Bond & Beardsley. Fast forward 12 months and we now have a manager working with a budget cut by 30%, getting no where near the support JW was from the fanbase and has built a team that has been in and around the play-offs for the last 3 months. People can by all means have there owns views, but when they don't make sense I and anyone else has every right to be question them. I have no authority & no right to tell anyone what to think, all views are my own, but those who clearly dislike the manager are using the freedom of speech line as there only defence.
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Post by lympstonegas on Dec 21, 2014 19:21:39 GMT
I agree and think that we need to wait until the end of the Season but IMO we would be absolutely foolish if we didn't offer him a new deal if he achieved either a Play Off position or in fact Promotion. Because so many of the players are also on 1 year contracts IMO it would be wrong to extend the Managers contract now if the players have to wait to the seasons end to find out their futures. What good for the Goose is good for the Gander as they say!! All well and good but in this day and age people need security whether you're a footballer or the likes of you and me in employment. Players will want to know whether theyre wanted next season or their agents certainly will as some have probably increased their worth this season from their basic contracts agreed on signing as we reduced our wages outlay. This would certainly apply to DC as we already know some have already come sniffing. I do feel from what DC has said he wants to finish the job here and get us promoted if he can and I feel he is a man true to his word as probably can see the potential here if we can get it right off the pitch. Its a difficult one to balance but I remember most of us being shocked when Higgs let slipped that he had already agreed a 1 year contract with DC when questions were being asked who was going to be our manager next season following our relegation - on that basis it wouldnt surprise me if we have a successful Xmas period a meeting to discuss contracts is pencilled in by Mr Higgs early in the new year which would also include a potential retaining list for players - just my thoughts
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Dec 21, 2014 23:07:21 GMT
Don't get the raving loons who want him hung drawn and quartered started, for christ sake! Where are these posts, 'cos I ain't seen 'em. It's true that not everyone is 100% for him, but surely that's only natural in a cross-section of individuals? But asking for him to be ''hung drawn and quartered,'' now that I haven't seen. Don't get the raving loons who want him hung drawn and quartered started, for christ sake! Care to name & shame these raving loons? It seems that no-one ever can I just like causing mischief, the contrast in opinion on Clarke is brilliant imo, should keep him on his toes at any rate
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 23:33:28 GMT
I'm fully behind Darrell Clarke but I don't believe he would be expecting to get his contract extended at the moment,after all he's the one who consistently states that we've achieved nothing yet.If any club comes in with a concrete offer in the meantime that would be when we all find out if the powers that be really do or do not have enough confidence in our manager to get us promoted this season.As has been mentioned by others he's done very well with a much reduced budget and I don't believe a different manager could come in and do a better job with the players at his disposal right now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 23:57:32 GMT
its a bit different to that though as dc changed the shape of the midfield and played very narrow without a wide right player,quite clever i thought but maybe you didnt spot the change? The major move by Darrel Clarke which changed the game for me, apart from Ollie Clarkes equaliser, was to move Sinclair further upfield as he was playing way too deep in the first half. That was the game changer, imo.
i think playing 3 like gateshead in the middle made it hard for them but i agree that sinclair really enjoyed playing at the front of the midfield diamond
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Post by Royal Blue on Dec 22, 2014 0:09:24 GMT
In two minds about an extension for DC right now.
Without a doubt he is doing a terrific job and he is exceeding the expectations of almost every fan at the moment whether they care to admit that now or not. There was a huge number of people saying they didn't think we'd even make top half this season and yet we find ourselves sitting pretty in third at Christmas and they have changed their tune now to 'DC is only doing the bare minimum that was required'. The undercurrent of disapproval and dislike to DC from some is clear to see and while they try and play things cleverly with what they say in their posts, they can't bring themselves to praise anything he does.
He is a young, ambitious manager who is showing, so far, that he can walk the walk after talking the talk in the summer. I find his self-belief refreshing and while he has definitely made some mistakes he is learning from them. The squad he has assembled is strong albeit lacking in flair and while many say 'we've never actually played well this season' that is actually hugely encouraging, because if we can reach third without playing well then imagine what we can do when we do hit our stride. When you consider all this, it would seem foolish not to begin talks with our manager about extending his contract - if any other club had a promising 37 year old manager leading them to third in the table after a summer of huge budget cuts and mass change in personnel, you can guarantee they would be keen to tie him down long term.
I fully understand the reasons why the club haven't offered him a new deal yet, though, because there is still a long way to go and it is vital nobody loses focus. We have a number of games to play in quick succession over the next few weeks and it would be silly to distract DC with contract negotiations when we need him 100% absorbed in what the club are trying to achieve this year - imagine how we would all feel if contract talks coincided with a dip in form that ultimately cost us promotion/play-offs.
There is no reason why we can't wait until the end of the year to see where we are before offering DC a new deal - and that is probably the best thing for the club - but we have to accept that if we do that and get promoted he will attract interest from elsewhere. There would be no guarantee he will want to stay at that point, in fact he may fancy a move to a higher level given the undeserved criticism he receives from some supporters. I am confident he will continue to do a good job and if he achieves what he wants to achieve come May then we would be bloody stupid not to try and keep him here long-term.
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Post by irishrover on Dec 22, 2014 1:25:48 GMT
Where are these posts, 'cos I ain't seen 'em. It's true that not everyone is 100% for him, but surely that's only natural in a cross-section of individuals? But asking for him to be ''hung drawn and quartered,'' now that I haven't seen. Care to name & shame these raving loons? It seems that no-one ever can I just like causing mischief, the contrast in opinion on Clarke is brilliant imo, should keep him on his toes at any rate Actually it doesn't really look like there is much of a contrast on Clarke really. There's one or 2 who seem to think we have this generation's Brian Clough and a few who others who don't seem to rate him much. But there actually seems to be a surprising consensus among everyone else that he has done a reasonable job up to this point but we should hold off anointing him just yet until we're closer to achieving anything tangible - which seems pretty sensible to me.
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Post by Blue Mist on Dec 22, 2014 1:36:30 GMT
For me It's all about incentives. 12 month contracts with bonus for reaching play offs and bonus for promotion. Why remove all incentive by offering contract extension mid season.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Dec 22, 2014 3:31:21 GMT
I just like causing mischief, the contrast in opinion on Clarke is brilliant imo, should keep him on his toes at any rate Actually it doesn't really look like there is much of a contrast on Clarke really. There's one or 2 who seem to think we have this generation's Brian Clough and a few who others who don't seem to rate him much. But there actually seems to be a surprising consensus among everyone else that he has done a reasonable job up to this point but we should hold off anointing him just yet until we're closer to achieving anything tangible - which seems pretty sensible to me. Quite right Irish. It's the difference between reading what people have actually written as opposed to reading what you want them to have posted. At least gasheadnaboo as the decency to admit the raving loons don't exist unlike others in recent days. Back to the issue of a contract for DC. I hope the board are talking to him along the lines of if x happens there will be a new contract. As to extending now well DC has had a very good half a season, in fact just like John Ward had half a very good season when he replaced McGhee. So in my view holding off a contract offer at present is the correct approach for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 3:58:55 GMT
Yes, extend his conract. He's obviously the best man for the job. We have just been comfortably beaten, at home, in a competitive fixture by Bath City and were lucky that Gateshead weren't out of sight by half time. 12 months ago I didn't even know that Gateshead had a football team, now we are supposed to hail Clarke as the mesiah because his team squeeze past them by the odd goal in 5. do you cheer when we score? do you sing "irene"?
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Post by dinsdale on Dec 22, 2014 5:34:45 GMT
We need everyone to be 100% on it and fighting for our and their own future. Lets wait untill the end of the season
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 22, 2014 9:04:24 GMT
Yes, extend his conract. He's obviously the best man for the job. We have just been comfortably beaten, at home, in a competitive fixture by Bath City and were lucky that Gateshead weren't out of sight by half time. 12 months ago I didn't even know that Gateshead had a football team, now we are supposed to hail Clarke as the mesiah because his team squeeze past them by the odd goal in 5. That's a reflection of the current position of the football club, which is not the fault of Darrell Clarke. Luton lost against Braintree Town last season, and drew 0-0 against Staines Town, does that make John Still a bad manager? Can you not separate the current performance of the manager and the historical performance of club?
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Post by littlestokegas on Dec 22, 2014 15:27:39 GMT
its a bit different to that though as dc changed the shape of the midfield and played very narrow without a wide right player,quite clever i thought but maybe you didnt spot the change? The major move by Darrel Clarke which changed the game for me, apart from Ollie Clarkes equaliser, was to move Sinclair further upfield as he was playing way too deep in the first half. That was the game changer, imo.
All I was saying was...we will never know........ if Balanta had not been injured, the switch may not have happened. As Clarke is not a natural wide man it was a good idea to fill up the middle of the park. Rubbing my hands for next few games: putting Torquay to the sword twice 6pts a six pointer v Macclesfield but just 3 actual points and good chance for away success at Nunners! 12 point out of 12 is really possible this Christmas (Please Santa)
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Post by brizzle on Dec 22, 2014 16:17:36 GMT
The major move by Darrel Clarke which changed the game for me, apart from Ollie Clarkes equaliser, was to move Sinclair further upfield as he was playing way too deep in the first half. That was the game changer, imo.
All I was saying was...we will never know........ if Balanta had not been injured, the switch may not have happened.As Clarke is not a natural wide man it was a good idea to fill up the middle of the park. Rubbing my hands for next few games: putting Torquay to the sword twice 6pts a six pointer v Macclesfield but just 3 actual points and good chance for away success at Nunners! 12 point out of 12 is really possible this Christmas (Please Santa) I'd go one step further and say that if Angelo Balanta had not been injured, then the substitution and subsequent change of formation would not have happened . . . well, not after only 29 minutes it wouldn't have. After all the game lasts for 90 minutes, so why would you voluntarily substitute one of your starting line-up after only one-third of the game has been played? With the best will in the world I think that the Manager got lucky there, because at the time we were being played off of the park. Still, all's well that ends well eh?
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