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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 13:03:05 GMT
Darrell did a "Homer" on Friday night and took all the credit. Balanta pulled a muscle or hamstring ( I saw him wince and grab the back of his thigh). So with no option, he brought on Clarke who scored a great goal. As far as I am concerned, let us see where we finish at the end of the season before making offers for long term contracts. Mikee Reference to Homer above comes from the Simpsons cartoon series, in one particular episode he saved the nuclear plant by guessing which was the correct button to press and being hailed a hero afterwards. its a bit different to that though as dc changed the shape of the midfield and played very narrow without a wide right player,quite clever i thought but maybe you didnt spot the change? The major move by Darrel Clarke which changed the game for me, apart from Ollie Clarkes equaliser, was to move Sinclair further upfield as he was playing way too deep in the first half. That was the game changer, imo.
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Post by crater on Dec 21, 2014 13:11:57 GMT
I was wondering the same as surely NH wouldn't dismiss him if we got promoted? As there's hardly a queue of good managers waiting in the wings to take over? Although I'm not sure losing to Bath and having a shocking half half re Gatehead, who could have been out of sight by half time, justifies calls for DC to have his contract extended this week? unless the OP is DC's agent/a family member??? No, not an agent or family member. Just a fan of many years standing who is enjoying watching us being competitive in games for the first time in quite a few seasons (albeit at a level none of us want to be at for too long) and someone who considers we finally have a manager who can improve our fortunes after a succession of poor managerial choices in the recent past. |
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Post by lympstonegas on Dec 21, 2014 13:12:03 GMT
This club needs stability. That means we need to keep the same manager at the helm for a few years. I would be quite happy to see Darrell given time. Conversely, if we lost him at the end of the season I would be very concerned. Unfortunately, the only consistency within the club is a bungling chairman and his fellow board members. And ... The anti Higgs / Board Brigade v The Rosetinter Optimists |
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Post by brizzle on Dec 21, 2014 13:17:48 GMT
If it's a straight YES or NO answer to the question, then mine would be a reluctant NO. We have history of giving managers (and players) long-ish contracts when there is very little need to do so. Now it's certainly true that DC has steadied the ship after the disaster of the previous season, and we are sitting quite pretty at the minute. But I think that it's fair to ask whether we (or he) can sustain it. To use the old cliche, only time will tell.
When we arrive at the end of this season then we will all know exactly where we stand as regards which division that we are to play in next season. I think that this would be a good time to look at all the contracts that are due to expire, and then make a decision on whether or not we would wish to offer new contracts.
We could offer an extension to the Manager now of course, but I don't feel that it would be in our interests to do so.
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Post by fanatical on Dec 21, 2014 13:24:04 GMT
If it's a straight YES or NO answer to the question, then mine would be a reluctant NO. We have history of giving managers (and players) long-ish contracts when there is very little need to do so. Now it's certainly true that DC has steadied the ship after the disaster of the previous season, and we are sitting quite pretty at the minute. But I think that it's fair to ask whether we (or he) can sustain it. To use the old cliche, only time will tell. When we arrive at the end of this season then we will all know exactly where we stand as regards which division that we are to play in next season. I think that this would be a good time to look at all the contracts that are due to expire, and then make a decision on whether or not we would wish to offer new contracts. We could offer an extension to the Manager now of course, but I don't feel that it would be in our interests to do so. The best contract for all concerned - Club, Manager, Players and Fans is - a 12 month rolling contract. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 14:18:37 GMT
Yes, extend his conract. He's obviously the best man for the job. We have just been comfortably beaten, at home, in a competitive fixture by Bath City and were lucky that Gateshead weren't out of sight by half time. 12 months ago I didn't even know that Gateshead had a football team, now we are supposed to hail Clarke as the mesiah because his team squeeze past them by the odd goal in 5. Ah a HA moment - keep it up |
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Dec 21, 2014 14:23:20 GMT
Don't get the raving loons who want him hung drawn and quartered started, for christ sake!
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Dec 21, 2014 14:34:50 GMT
Whatever you think of DC we are in the play off positions, he has built a team which on Friday night showed real character, and we have people who play for the shirt and the fans. He is not the Messiah but he has been doing a lot better than more knowledgeable, experienced and previously successful managers. But lets not forget this is his job. If we are not prepared to talk and offer any form of security then others will. Do we really want another manager like the last few? I do not believe a one year extension should be an issue. Great post, i find the fact he's young the bit that is exciting, he's brave, takes risks and always plays 2 up front with the emphasis on going out to win football matches. So many managers have been here with CV's much more experienced and better than DC, but all have them have lacked any sort of passion for the job. DC has guided us to 3rd at Xmas and it's pretty shocking that after such a good job that he's done, Box 1 have not sat him and down and offered him a deal until summer 2016. I think we will make the play-offs, if we don't go up i still think we have overachieved for our first season, and DC will deserve until at least next xmas to get us back in the conference play off mix or possibly even better. If we do go up this season then i don't think he will stay because bigger and better clubs will come in for him, Buckle is still dining out on conference play off win on his CV and DC is a million times a better manager and person that he is. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 15:05:15 GMT
First season record for teams relegated from the Football League, last ten years:
2004/5: Carlisle 3rd (promoted), York 17th
2005/6: Cambridge 12th, Kiddy 15th
2006/7: Oxford 2nd, Rushden 12th
2007/8: Torquay 3rd
2008/9: Wrexham 10th, Mansfield 12th
2009/10: Luton 2nd, Chester expelled
2010/11: Darlington 7th, Grimsby 11th
2011/12: Stockport 16th, Lincoln 17th
2012/13: Hereford 6th, Macclesfield 11th
2013/14: Barnet 8th, Aldershot 19th
On present showing, DC is performing well above average in that context
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Post by brizzle on Dec 21, 2014 15:33:21 GMT
Don't get the raving loons who want him hung drawn and quartered started, for christ sake! Where are these posts, 'cos I ain't seen 'em. It's true that not everyone is 100% for him, but surely that's only natural in a cross-section of individuals? But asking for him to be ''hung drawn and quartered,'' now that I haven't seen. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Dec 21, 2014 15:42:02 GMT
Don't get the raving loons who want him hung drawn and quartered started, for christ sake! Care to name & shame these raving loons? It seems that no-one ever can |
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Post by irishrover on Dec 21, 2014 15:56:14 GMT
A lot of the praise for DC seems quite begrudging at times - almost as if it would be simpler if we were 8th/9th and therefore the decision would be a lot easier instead of heading into Christmas pretty securely positioned in the playoffs. I think anyone advocating that they don't want to see him here next year ought to have a realistic idea about who they would rather have and who they think would have us in a better position - because we're basically doing pretty well given the shock of relegation and the cut in wagebill; better than most 'bigger' clubs who get relegated out of the FL. I've been pretty impressed by what I've seen of him in terms of his ability to make adjustments within games like he did on Friday night (and it wasn't just Balanta getting injured - he changed our whole shape and approach to the game) and I'm impressed by the spirit he has instilled in this side even in games I've watched where we've lost and been poor - I'm not quite as impressed by his recruitment or his ability to impose an attacking pattern of play but you never know if that is him or the fact that he has limited resources at his disposal. I would also say that the playoffs is surely the bare minimum expectation for Rovers in this division - there's a limit to the amount of 'rebuilding' that Rovers fans should accept at Conference level I think.
So we're in a reasonable position I think there's no need to rush - DC has proven nothing yet so I can't really see clubs from higher up coming and knocking at his door until he has delivered something tangible on his CV. But he's handled a difficult situation well and if he completes the job I don't really understand why anyone would want someone else taking over at that point. The club is desperate for some stability - the moment if we make the playoffs I think he'll have earned an extension. If we don't then I think there's a decision to make; it might be tough for him to continue.
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Post by brizzle on Dec 21, 2014 16:18:08 GMT
Don't get the raving loons who want him hung drawn and quartered started, for christ sake! Care to name & shame these raving loons? It seems that no-one ever can I've asked the same question myself without any reply, so my thought is that perhaps it's the same brigade who got their hair shirts out when the black goalkeeper cried ''Racism.'' It seems to me that some people do love a bit of drama, but don't necessarily think things through as well as they might. By drawing as much attention to the publicity-hungry goalie, who may well have had a political agenda as it turned out, they only added fuel to the fire. And to what end, that's the question that I would like answered, because it didn't do BRFC any favours at all. But just like the Green Party they will be back. It's in the genes you see.  |
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Dec 21, 2014 16:30:47 GMT
Care to name & shame these raving loons? It seems that no-one ever can I've asked the same question myself without any reply, so my thought is that perhaps it's the same brigade who got their hair shirts out when the black goalkeeper cried ''Racism.'' It seems to me that some people do love a bit of drama, but don't necessarily think things through as well as they might. By drawing as much attention to the publicity-hungry goalie, who may well have had a political agenda as it turned out, they only added fuel to the fire. And to what end, that's the question that I would like answered, because it didn't do BRFC any favours at all. But just like the Green Party they will be back. It's in the genes you see. Come on Brizzle look at the first reply on this thread, that tells you all you need to know about the nasty underbelly of dislike towards DC. You've got to laugh because they are very clever in not directly calling for head but insinuating just that and the sarcasm about him is embarrassing. To top it off, the very ones saying name and shame are the ones leading the vendetta against the manager. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 16:51:54 GMT
Care to name & shame these raving loons? It seems that no-one ever can I've asked the same question myself without any reply, so my thought is that perhaps it's the same brigade who got their hair shirts out when the black goalkeeper cried ''Racism.'' It seems to me that some people do love a bit of drama, but don't necessarily think things through as well as they might. By drawing as much attention to the publicity-hungry goalie, who may well have had a political agenda as it turned out, they only added fuel to the fire. And to what end, that's the question that I would like answered, because it didn't do BRFC any favours at all. But just like the Green Party they will be back. It's in the genes you see. Can you name any of the hairshirt brigade Brizzle or are you another one who likes to talk about 'certain posters'. I personally think the condemnation of the incident and the swift, if rather superficial, anti-racism protest that was made afterwards did do Rovers a positive 'favour'. Jason Brown had reached the national press with his tweet without a single bit of contributory help from anyone on any forum. To return to the topic, Clarke is doing an ok job but to alter the terms the terms of his employment at this stage would strike me as slightly premature. Now you must excuse me, I've got sins to expiate. |
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Post by droitwichgas on Dec 21, 2014 17:05:25 GMT
First season record for teams relegated from the Football League, last ten years: 2004/5: Carlisle 3rd (promoted), York 17th 2005/6: Cambridge 12th, Kiddy 15th 2006/7: Oxford 2nd, Rushden 12th 2007/8: Torquay 3rd 2008/9: Wrexham 10th, Mansfield 12th 2009/10: Luton 2nd, Chester expelled 2010/11: Darlington 7th, Grimsby 11th 2011/12: Stockport 16th, Lincoln 17th 2012/13: Hereford 6th, Macclesfield 11th 2013/14: Barnet 8th, Aldershot 19th On present showing, DC is performing well above average in that context But how many of those teams started in their first season in the Conference w/o any serious money troubles plus backed by an average home gate of nearly 6,000 & so had retained a decent wage budget? Probably back to Oxford & Carlisle nearly a decade ago? Out of interest what will posters calling for DC's contract to be extend think we might lose by not increasing it? If we were going to lose him to a league club, I can't see a Conference side beating his present Rovers wage/prospects, surely Hartlepool would have been the obvious team to employ him and it seems they had no interest in even interviewing him for the job? |
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Post by brizzle on Dec 21, 2014 17:35:32 GMT
I've asked the same question myself without any reply, so my thought is that perhaps it's the same brigade who got their hair shirts out when the black goalkeeper cried ''Racism.'' It seems to me that some people do love a bit of drama, but don't necessarily think things through as well as they might. By drawing as much attention to the publicity-hungry goalie, who may well have had a political agenda as it turned out, they only added fuel to the fire. And to what end, that's the question that I would like answered, because it didn't do BRFC any favours at all. But just like the Green Party they will be back. It's in the genes you see. Come on Brizzle look at the first reply on this thread, that tells you all you need to know about the nasty underbelly of dislike towards DC. You've got to laugh because they are very clever in not directly calling for head but insinuating just that and the sarcasm about him is embarrassing. To top it off, the very ones saying name and shame are the ones leading the vendetta against the manager. Westcountry, It's been perfectly clear to every contributor to this forum that you are a huge fan of DC, and there's nothing wrong with that by the way, in fact it is to be admired as a positive trait. But not everyone thinks the same way, that's human nature I suppose. When I hear you waxing lyrical about the Manager I often think back 12 months to when John Ward was in charge. You were not an admirer of JW were you, and you had every right not to be of course. Different horses for different courses I suppose. Do you recall the level of abuse that you received for your views on JW? But nevertheless you persisted, and credit to you for that. That alone may tell you how some others feel about the present Manager, as to how you felt about the former. Similarly not everyone is an admirer of the present Manager, as they again have every right not to be of course. After all this is not a Communist State, or even a Communist Forum if it comes to that, and we all express ourselves in varying ways. It seems to me that it is all a question of attuning to the individual posters wavelength. I've read the first reply as you have suggested, and I really can't see anything objectionable about it. It is the posters own style, is how I perceive it. I find it more difficult to deal with the ranting and raving brigade, whose only aim is to shout you down in the hope that you will either give up, or agree with them. I really am at a loss to know why they bother to post. Agree with me or else, is the message that comes through to me. For the record (and go back through the threads and check if you wish), but I am more FOR the Manager than AGAINST, but that doesn't mean that I tailor all of my posts from the admiring angle. I prefer to think that I am objective when I post, and I will continue to post in my own style. |
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Post by Surrey Gas on Dec 21, 2014 18:03:26 GMT
Whatever you think of DC we are in the play off positions, he has built a team which on Friday night showed real character, and we have people who play for the shirt and the fans. He is not the Messiah but he has been doing a lot better than more knowledgeable, experienced and previously successful managers. But lets not forget this is his job. If we are not prepared to talk and offer any form of security then others will. Do we really want another manager like the last few? I do not believe a one year extension should be an issue. This is spot on. DC is a decent honest young manager learning his trade with us and I'd like to see him succeed with us. |
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Dec 21, 2014 18:12:11 GMT
The one year rolling contract worked well with Trolls and we should continue to do the same with DC.
DC has a job to do. DC has also made it clear that he has unfinished business with us. Let him get on with it and let's reward him at the end of the season (if he earns that reward of course).
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Post by crater on Dec 21, 2014 18:20:16 GMT
The one year rolling contract worked well with Trolls and we should continue to do the same with DC. DC has a job to do. DC has also made it clear that he has unfinished business with us. Let him get on with it and let's reward him at the end of the season (if he earns that reward of course). Don't believe DC has a 1 year rolling contract though. From what Nick Higgs said previously Clarke has a contract that runs out this summer. |
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