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Post by laughinggas on Dec 20, 2014 14:33:15 GMT
That's 3 times I've seen us struggling in midfield and Clarke has come of the bench and things have changed.
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Post by brizzle on Dec 20, 2014 14:36:33 GMT
That's 3 times I've seen us struggling in midfield and Clarke has come of the bench and things have changed. Ollie Clarke . . .   |
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Post by Thatslife on Dec 20, 2014 14:47:46 GMT
Ok this ìs not a moan, more of an observation. 3 great goals, all from midfield players. Our front line of Taylor, Wall and Belanta was, as far
I could see, was totally ineffective. All 3 had shooting chances all of which were pathetic.
I have always thought Taylor was worth his place due to his hold up play but am beginning to believe he is a luxury we can't afford.
Belanta looked totally disinterested and Wall doesn't seem to have many attributes to warrant a place.
Your thoughts please.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 14:51:44 GMT
Ok this ìs not a moan, more of an observation. 3 great goals, all from midfield players. Our front line of Taylor, Wall and Belanta was, as far I could see, was totally ineffective. All 3 had shooting chances all of which were pathetic. I have always thought Taylor was worth his place due to his hold up play but am beginning to believe he is a luxury we can't afford. Belanta looked totally disinterested and Wall doesn't seem to have many attributes to warrant a place. Your thoughts please. Pretty much to the point I would say. We need two wide men and two strikers who know where the net is. Balanta, Wall and Harrison are not up to the job. This is not a moan but an observation.....I think!!
Edit: Clarke out!!
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Post by matealotblue on Dec 20, 2014 15:01:01 GMT
Why does Wall seem to play wide right most of the time? Surely if we had Sinclair, Taylor and him up front he should be the middle man?
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Post by irishrover on Dec 20, 2014 15:02:20 GMT
I have said it all along there is a Hidden Agenda on here which is not present on the other forum. I don't know about that but there is a very strange way of peoples perception of `just moaning`. We all like a moan and can point out where Darrel `went wrong` and then changed things around because he saw what wasn't working and how `so and so` was bloody useless today but we don't want the bloke gone or demand instant promotion. And we certain don't raise our ugly heads when we lose and spout venom and disappear totally when we win. But we are all different, Im just glad I don't sing from THEIR hymn sheet.
Again - who are 'they'? These are individuals posting opinions - if you have a problem with those opinions or their perspectives then challenge them on it directly otherwise what is the point of bothering with a discussion board at all? Sorry, but as a moderator I just find vague 'these people' comments bloody annoying and totally pointless. The same goes for people referring to 'Rose Tinters'; it's just individuals with opinions at the end of the day the extent to which there are identifiable groups of fans is spectacularly exaggerated. I guess some people use message boards to vent their frustrations - you might not like that but it's not fair to second guess what their motivations may or may not be without identifying examples of who or what you are upset about. It condemns people without giving them a proper right to reply and that seems underhand and not how a message board should operate; if it's not an honest exchange of individual opinions then it's a waste of time. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 15:08:02 GMT
Somethings about this club are beyond s**t, some are wonderful, a lot is somewhere in the middle. I don't understand people that go for fully s**t or fully wonderful. Criticism is key to any business and Rovers haven't been performing well as a business for a number of years. That said not everything is awful.
Most people seem to have polar opposite views because their views are distorted by a love for the club.
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Post by brizzle on Dec 20, 2014 15:17:37 GMT
Ok this ìs not a moan, more of an observation. 3 great goals, all from midfield players. Our front line of Taylor, Wall and Belanta was, as far I could see, was totally ineffective. All 3 had shooting chances all of which were pathetic. I have always thought Taylor was worth his place due to his hold up play but am beginning to believe he is a luxury we can't afford. Belanta looked totally disinterested and Wall doesn't seem to have many attributes to warrant a place. Your thoughts please. I wouldn't agree with that overall, but he most certainly didn't have his best game for us last night that's for sure. He put in two very poor crosses, in fact (from memory) one went straight out of play. That was very disappointing for me, as I feel that he is capable of delivering so much more. If he were firing on all cylinders I believe that he could prove to be a very good player for us, but at the moment I don't believe that he is match fit, despite all of the time and effort that has gone into him by the staff. At the moment, and assuming that he is not injured, then I would play him as a 60th minute sub for the immediate future, but not in the starting line-up. But when he departed the pitch, gently massaging the back of his leg, this signalled a change of tactics and the playing formation. Was Angelo Balanta injured, or was it just a straightforward substitution by the Manager? I suppose that whatever triggered his exit, it most certainly worked for the team . . . and the result says it all. |
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Post by The Concept on Dec 20, 2014 15:24:35 GMT
Ok this ìs not a moan, more of an observation. 3 great goals, all from midfield players. Our front line of Taylor, Wall and Belanta was, as far I could see, was totally ineffective. All 3 had shooting chances all of which were pathetic. I have always thought Taylor was worth his place due to his hold up play but am beginning to believe he is a luxury we can't afford. Belanta looked totally disinterested and Wall doesn't seem to have many attributes to warrant a place. Your thoughts please. I wouldn't agree with that overall, but he most certainly didn't have his best game for us last night that's for sure. He put in two very poor crosses, in fact (from memory) one went straight out of play. That was very disappointing for me, as I feel that he is capable of delivering so much more. If he were firing on all cylinders I believe that he could prove to be a very good player for us, but at the moment I don't believe that he is match fit, despite all of the time and effort that has gone into him by the staff. At the moment, and assuming that he is not injured, then I would play him as a 60th minute sub for the immediate future, but not in the starting line-up. But when he departed the pitch, gently massaging the back of his leg, this signalled a change of tactics and the playing formation. Was Angelo Balanta injured, or was it just a straightforward substitution by the Manager? I suppose that whatever triggered his exit, it most certainly worked for the team . . . and the result says it all. Difficult to tell from my vantage point, in the pub, while chopping my roast turkey and all the trimmings, but shortly after Balanta went off the camera focussed on the Rovers bench and Balanta had his leg stretched out, with what looked like an ice pack on it, and a slight grimace on his face. |
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Post by irishrover on Dec 20, 2014 15:41:18 GMT
Ok this ìs not a moan, more of an observation. 3 great goals, all from midfield players. Our front line of Taylor, Wall and Belanta was, as far I could see, was totally ineffective. All 3 had shooting chances all of which were pathetic. I have always thought Taylor was worth his place due to his hold up play but am beginning to believe he is a luxury we can't afford. Belanta looked totally disinterested and Wall doesn't seem to have many attributes to warrant a place. Your thoughts please. I wouldn't agree with that overall, but he most certainly didn't have his best game for us last night that's for sure. He put in two very poor crosses, in fact (from memory) one went straight out of play. That was very disappointing for me, as I feel that he is capable of delivering so much more. If he were firing on all cylinders I believe that he could prove to be a very good player for us, but at the moment I don't believe that he is match fit, despite all of the time and effort that has gone into him by the staff. At the moment, and assuming that he is not injured, then I would play him as a 60th minute sub for the immediate future, but not in the starting line-up. But when he departed the pitch, gently massaging the back of his leg, this signalled a change of tactics and the playing formation. Was Angelo Balanta injured, or was it just a straightforward substitution by the Manager? I suppose that whatever triggered his exit, it most certainly worked for the team . . . and the result says it all. I'm not convinced Balanta is close to fully fit and I think we might be trying to ask too much of him at the moment; I read somewhere that most players play most games carrying some kind of knock and often in the lower league whether a guy has a good or bad game can come down to how well he is managing his injury. I think with the injury to LDV we may have been forced to rush Balanta into the lineup earlier than expected and it doesn't look like it's really worked. It was clear he had a knock when he went off and I wonder how early he picked that up. In general he has looked behind the pace for me which suggests that he's not match fit. I assume that we knew that he was a fair way off the player he was when we signed him because otherwise I'm not sure we'd have been able to get him; so the gamble is on whether we can eventually get him up to speed to play a key role. I think it was one worth taking because after Christmas we're generally going to have a week off between games which should give him more time to find his feet and hopefully be an important player for us down the final stretch. Wall just looks a bit raw to me. He tries hard and there's some good things about him but for a guy who is basically a targetman his link up play needs a lot of work. If you're that sort of player you need to be able to bring other players into the game in the build up and that aspect of his game seems a but missing to me. He has a hell of a shot on him though and I get the feeling he gives Centre Backs are hard time - probably not the best opponents for him though last night, their Centre Backs were slow but strong you kind of feel Wall would potentially do well against a mobile but physically underpowered opponent. |
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Post by brizzle on Dec 20, 2014 15:43:58 GMT
I wouldn't agree with that overall, but he most certainly didn't have his best game for us last night that's for sure. He put in two very poor crosses, in fact (from memory) one went straight out of play. That was very disappointing for me, as I feel that he is capable of delivering so much more. If he were firing on all cylinders I believe that he could prove to be a very good player for us, but at the moment I don't believe that he is match fit, despite all of the time and effort that has gone into him by the staff. At the moment, and assuming that he is not injured, then I would play him as a 60th minute sub for the immediate future, but not in the starting line-up. But when he departed the pitch, gently massaging the back of his leg, this signalled a change of tactics and the playing formation. Was Angelo Balanta injured, or was it just a straightforward substitution by the Manager? I suppose that whatever triggered his exit, it most certainly worked for the team . . . and the result says it all. Difficult to tell from my vantage point, in the pub, while chopping my roast turkey and all the trimmings, but shortly after Balanta went off the camera focussed on the Rovers bench and Balanta had his leg stretched out, with what looked like an ice pack on it, and a slight grimace on his face. You weren't at the match Concept? Tut tut, you're certain to have the attendance police on your case after that public admission, with their ''I'm better than you because I went to the game'' nonsense.  No, but seriously I hope that you enjoyed your Turkey and Tinsel evening, but what I saw in the run-up to the substitution was Balanta rubbing the back of his leg. Now whether or not he was ''feeling'' his hamstring tightening up, who knows? Personally I believe that he was taken off as a precaution, but it certainly worked in our favour. |
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Post by michaelb on Dec 20, 2014 16:11:12 GMT
I wouldn't agree with that overall, but he most certainly didn't have his best game for us last night that's for sure. He put in two very poor crosses, in fact (from memory) one went straight out of play. That was very disappointing for me, as I feel that he is capable of delivering so much more. If he were firing on all cylinders I believe that he could prove to be a very good player for us, but at the moment I don't believe that he is match fit, despite all of the time and effort that has gone into him by the staff. At the moment, and assuming that he is not injured, then I would play him as a 60th minute sub for the immediate future, but not in the starting line-up. But when he departed the pitch, gently massaging the back of his leg, this signalled a change of tactics and the playing formation. Was Angelo Balanta injured, or was it just a straightforward substitution by the Manager? I suppose that whatever triggered his exit, it most certainly worked for the team . . . and the result says it all. I'm not convinced Balanta is close to fully fit and I think we might be trying to ask too much of him at the moment; I read somewhere that most players play most games carrying some kind of knock and often in the lower league whether a guy has a good or bad game can come down to how well he is managing his injury. I think with the injury to LDV we may have been forced to rush Balanta into the lineup earlier than expected and it doesn't look like it's really worked. It was clear he had a knock when he went off and I wonder how early he picked that up. In general he has looked behind the pace for me which suggests that he's not match fit. I assume that we knew that he was a fair way off the player he was when we signed him because otherwise I'm not sure we'd have been able to get him; so the gamble is on whether we can eventually get him up to speed to play a key role. I think it was one worth taking because after Christmas we're generally going to have a week off between games which should give him more time to find his feet and hopefully be an important player for us down the final stretch. Wall just looks a bit raw to me. He tries hard and there's some good things about him but for a guy who is basically a targetman his link up play needs a lot of work. If you're that sort of player you need to be able to bring other players into the game in the build up and that aspect of his game seems a but missing to me. He has a hell of a shot on him though and I get the feeling he gives Centre Backs are hard time - probably not the best opponents for him though last night, their Centre Backs were slow but strong you kind of feel Wall would potentially do well against a mobile but physically underpowered opponent. I'm not convinced Balanta will ever be totally fit, it did cross my mind whether he has a permanent physical/injury problem and that is why someone with his undoubted ability is here. There were in the early stages a couple of times he just didn't chase the ball down and should of, and maybe this is why some have said he allegedly has an attitude problem when in fact he just can't do it physically for one reason or another. He has been here a while now and i would have thought he would have been up to or very close to top speed by now. |
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Post by Cosmic Pasty on Dec 20, 2014 16:13:39 GMT
Has there been any news on McCrystal's injury?
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Post by The Concept on Dec 20, 2014 16:14:23 GMT
Difficult to tell from my vantage point, in the pub, while chopping my roast turkey and all the trimmings, but shortly after Balanta went off the camera focussed on the Rovers bench and Balanta had his leg stretched out, with what looked like an ice pack on it, and a slight grimace on his face. You weren't at the match Concept? Tut tut, you're certain to have the attendance police on your case after that public admission, with their ''I'm better than you because I went to the game'' nonsense. No, but seriously I hope that you enjoyed your Turkey and Tinsel evening, but what I saw in the run-up to the substitution was Balanta rubbing the back of his leg. Now whether or not he was ''feeling'' his hamstring tightening up, who knows? Personally I believe that he was taken off as a precaution, but it certainly worked in our favour. Yeah, already paid for my season ticket, but already paid deposit on Christmas meal - which to do? Wasn't best pleased they moved it, and went for the do as I only get to see some of the old work colleagues this once a year. That and the Portwall Tavern does the best (and cheapest) Christmas meal out of the 3 I've had! |
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Post by brizzle on Dec 20, 2014 16:32:38 GMT
Has there been any news on McCrystal's injury? . . . a bit “bruised and battered” and is not expected to have sustained a serious injury, according to the Bristol Post. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Dec 20, 2014 16:39:45 GMT
I don't know about that but there is a very strange way of peoples perception of `just moaning`. We all like a moan and can point out where Darrel `went wrong` and then changed things around because he saw what wasn't working and how `so and so` was bloody useless today but we don't want the bloke gone or demand instant promotion. And we certain don't raise our ugly heads when we lose and spout venom and disappear totally when we win. But we are all different, Im just glad I don't sing from THEIR hymn sheet.
Again - who are 'they'? These are individuals posting opinions - if you have a problem with those opinions or their perspectives then challenge them on it directly otherwise what is the point of bothering with a discussion board at all? Sorry, but as a moderator I just find vague 'these people' comments bloody annoying and totally pointless. The same goes for people referring to 'Rose Tinters'; it's just individuals with opinions at the end of the day the extent to which there are identifiable groups of fans is spectacularly exaggerated. I guess some people use message boards to vent their frustrations - you might not like that but it's not fair to second guess what their motivations may or may not be without identifying examples of who or what you are upset about. It condemns people without giving them a proper right to reply and that seems underhand and not how a message board should operate; if it's not an honest exchange of individual opinions then it's a waste of time. And the same people will claim that some on here hate DC/want him sacked/want him to fail blah blah blahbut when asked to name names or back up their views just say 'you know who they are'. Completely pathetic people. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 16:40:01 GMT
That's 3 times I've seen us struggling in midfield and Clarke has come of the bench and things have changed. He was dreadful at Telford but scored a great winner with amazing precision .Perhaps we could try him up front as our strikers never seem to score. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 16:41:13 GMT
I don't know about that but there is a very strange way of peoples perception of `just moaning`. We all like a moan and can point out where Darrel `went wrong` and then changed things around because he saw what wasn't working and how `so and so` was bloody useless today but we don't want the bloke gone or demand instant promotion. And we certain don't raise our ugly heads when we lose and spout venom and disappear totally when we win. But we are all different, Im just glad I don't sing from THEIR hymn sheet.
Again - who are 'they'? These are individuals posting opinions - if you have a problem with those opinions or their perspectives then challenge them on it directly otherwise what is the point of bothering with a discussion board at all? Sorry, but as a moderator I just find vague 'these people' comments bloody annoying and totally pointless. The same goes for people referring to 'Rose Tinters'; it's just individuals with opinions at the end of the day the extent to which there are identifiable groups of fans is spectacularly exaggerated. I guess some people use message boards to vent their frustrations - you might not like that but it's not fair to second guess what their motivations may or may not be without identifying examples of who or what you are upset about. It condemns people without giving them a proper right to reply and that seems underhand and not how a message board should operate; if it's not an honest exchange of individual opinions then it's a waste of time. Jesus hell Mary!! Challenge you say. Well, that has been done many times by myself and others and the answer is always the same. He couldn't keep us up with 8 games to go, bloody useless, out of his depth etc. etc need I go on? Yes it is their opinions just like mine are are mine. But there comes a time when you don't ask or question anymore because there is no point. I will not trapes through peoples posts to prove my point but if you want to prove me wrong, be my guest.
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Post by BS7 GAS on Dec 20, 2014 16:43:08 GMT
I don't think there is an awful lot wrong with having a little moan, chatting to my mates in the first half we all thought it was pretty poor. However, I did hear one shout after 5 minutes (yes FIVE minutes after the game had started) of 'You haven't got a f******g clue Clarke', and it isn't uncommon to hear such things, in fact I would go as far as saying I have heard similar things, either about our players or manager in the vast majority of our games in the past few seasons. These aren't little asides to a mate eg 'that was a s*** pass, I think he's crap' in a conversation level voice, I am talking about proper loud rants along the lines of 'You're a f******g disgrace .... insert name of current scapegoat here'. It also isn't uncommon to log onto a forum after any kind of defeat and see demands for change, manager, players, board , tea lady ad infinitum. If watching Rovers makes these people that unhappy- even if they do really feel they love their club- then maybe it would be best for everyone (including themselves) if they didn't follow the team any more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 16:44:19 GMT
Again - who are 'they'? These are individuals posting opinions - if you have a problem with those opinions or their perspectives then challenge them on it directly otherwise what is the point of bothering with a discussion board at all? Sorry, but as a moderator I just find vague 'these people' comments bloody annoying and totally pointless. The same goes for people referring to 'Rose Tinters'; it's just individuals with opinions at the end of the day the extent to which there are identifiable groups of fans is spectacularly exaggerated. I guess some people use message boards to vent their frustrations - you might not like that but it's not fair to second guess what their motivations may or may not be without identifying examples of who or what you are upset about. It condemns people without giving them a proper right to reply and that seems underhand and not how a message board should operate; if it's not an honest exchange of individual opinions then it's a waste of time. And the same people will claim that some on here hate DC/want him sacked/want him to fail blah blah blahbut when asked to name names or back up their views just say 'you know who they are'. Completely pathetic people. Talking of Pathetic People, Hark at Paul, LOL. I didn't think it would long before Gobache raised his pathetic head.
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