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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 13, 2014 16:33:07 GMT
Should we get behind the team? Absolutely
Do we want morons, invading the team bus? Definitely not
We are a conference team, we have never done much, and have found our lowest point (as it stands), but the majority of fans have been supportive of the team and given them good backing considering the last few years of sh*t and the relegation many of us could see on the card sooner or later.
I like DC, I have no delusions of grandeur, I don’t and never expected us to walk this league, but I do find this interview a bit small time. If he thinks there is too much negativity now, then he is bloody lucky we are not struggling.
Yes there is pressure on him and the team from the fans and the behaviour of a few is unacceptable. The team have worked hard without that extra bit of quality we all know we need. There are tougher games to come and the team are going to have to toughen up to geth through them or the few they are moaning about now will be a few more.
Suck it up and channel the anger into some positivity in the pitch
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Post by Gas Since 1957 on Nov 13, 2014 16:50:17 GMT
As my username implies I have supported the team for quite some time! There has always been an element of nastiness in some parts of the ground and certainly at Eastville a bunch of people used to congregate in the North Enclosure and yell abuse (and at the time we had a pretty decent team!). At Twerton the same group (maybe a different group but always moaning and shouting abuse) used to stand near the Popular Side toilets. At The Mem I remember Holoway receiving abuse "you don't know what you're doing" being amongst the more polite form of what used to get shouted at him. Personally I have no idea why people who I believe genuinely support the club want to yell abuse at the players, let alone try to board the team bus to have a go at them. The only form of "abuse" I show if I am disappointed is silence - I refuse to shout criticism at the team on the pitch no matter how badly they are playing - what can that possibly achieve? There is a point though that the players need to rise above it and maybe concentrate more on the positive support - it isn't easy if fans are insulting you after 5 minutes and you are not allowed to say anything back, but it is an unfortunate fact of football that this will always be the case. So the fans at the game my message is "put aside your frustration and disappointment at what has happened the last few years, get behind the team and especially get behind the strikers - try chanting "One Matty Taylor" etc. and see how he responds". I have on several occasions told people in the West Enclosure to shut up when they shout abuse and explained to them what the players they are abusing are actually doing and found that generally these people are much quieter afterwards. It's hard to get involved in this way but if we all made it clear that abusing our own players is unacceptable it would soon be cut back. Hi Gas Since 1957, and congratulations to you on another excellent post. Like you I have also had the pleasure of supporting BRFC since 1957, so our paths must have run on quite parallel lines, eh? Spooky that. But the reason that I am replying is to say that in my experience there was little or no ''nastiness'' at either Eastville or Twerton. And most certainly not the ''nastiness'' that we have all seen in society in recent years, and not only in football grounds neither, so it's possibly a change in cultural and/or social behaviour. Mind you the only part of Eastville that I didn't frequent was the North Stand and Enclosure, so perhaps I missed it eh? The one roar that I do remember was that side of the ground chanting H-a-r-o-l-d H-a-r-o-l-d, to encourage Harold Jarman . . . which it did, as you well know. In fact standing at the Tote End it was often the case that a different type of chant went up from the North side of the ground, but they were vocal when they put their minds to it, a bit more refined than the run-of-the-mill hobbledehoy's who got on the Tote. In all of the time that I went to Eastville (and I missed very few games) I can only ever recall one bout of slow hand-clapping breaking out, and then there was the infamous occasions when the chant when round the ground ''Send Bert Tann To Vietnam,'' but I always took that as good-natured humour. I would go so far as to say that I found Eastville to be a warm and welcoming place, where you could mix with your friends, or make a new one out of the bloke standing nearby to you. As for Twerton, I can only recall one occasion when a chap standing near to me shouted out his displeasure over something or other. He was told forcefully by several other supporters to be quiet and support the team. It worked by the way. Mind you I have been called a rose-tinter in the past, but as I'm uncertain whether that's a compliment or not I'll allow that one to pass. But let's be honest, when you have a group of individuals brought together, and totalling anywhere between 5,000-8,000 people, all with different values and outlooks there is almost always likely to be dissent when things are not going to plan. But it is tough at the moment because, despite our League position the supporters aren't happy. In my opinion they are unhappy about two things, firstly our inability to score goals, which is a fundamental to a successful football team, and secondly the quality of the football that is on display. Now those two statements could start a whole pack of dogs running, so it's probably best left that when the team relaxes and is strengthened in one or two areas, then they will play more attractively, and people will be happier. Brizzle - Believe me Eastville and Twerton had the moaners! I "graduated" from the Tote End to the North Enclosure in about 1974 and was genuinely shocked at some of what was shouted at the players. Steve White (abused because he was not Paul Randall) came in for loads of abuse, Miah Denehy (OK he only played well in the one game against Swansea Boxing Day 1979). I wonder if the same set of blokes who shouted abuse moved to the "bog end" of the Twerton Popular Side and are now frequenting the West Enclosure and the area behind the dugout. Not surprised you couldn't hear abuse from the Tote End though - when I was there the vitriol and abuse was reserved for the opposing teams and their fans and, let's face it, even if a few fans on the Tote End were shouting abusive comments, it's unlikely they would have been heard on the pitch! It's not a problem unique to Rovers though but probably is more shown up when we play away at tiny grounds and the mouthy gits can be heard. I'm sure DC and the players are aware that the vast majority of fans are supportive and also understand the frustrations and anger at where we are currently.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Nov 13, 2014 16:59:00 GMT
Miah Denehy (OK he only played well in the one game against Swansea Boxing Day 1979). For me, that game is immortalised by the shout from one wag in the North Enclosure, just after Miah Dennehy got his hat-trick goal. When the cheers had started to die down, the man in the flat cap yelled out "Get that bloody idiot off, Harold!". Fans did irony in those days!
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Post by DudeLebowski on Nov 13, 2014 17:09:14 GMT
Fair play, drawing against Alfreton Town isn't great news at all but 1 loss in 12 leagues games, yeh I'm more than happy with that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 17:18:05 GMT
We should be grateful that the manager who took us down now has us at the dizzy heights of 4th in the Conference. Only 9 points behind automatic promotion as well. So called fans. Tut.
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Post by brizzle on Nov 13, 2014 17:21:14 GMT
Miah Denehy (OK he only played well in the one game against Swansea Boxing Day 1979). For me, that game is immortalised by the shout from one wag in the North Enclosure, just after Miah Dennehy got his hat-trick goal. When the cheers had started to die down, the man in the flat cap yelled out "Get that bloody idiot off, Harold!". Fans did irony in those days! My most vivid memory of Miah was an evening game at Craven Cottage. When the fog rolled in from the Thames it served to confuse the poor old chap, and when he set off on one of his mazy runs he ended up running into the terrace barriers. Cue hysterical laughter from all and sundry. Talking of Irish wingers, does anyone remember Joe Haverty? Was he shorter than George Petherbridge, or what?
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Post by biggsy on Nov 13, 2014 17:36:10 GMT
For me, that game is immortalised by the shout from one wag in the North Enclosure, just after Miah Dennehy got his hat-trick goal. When the cheers had started to die down, the man in the flat cap yelled out "Get that bloody idiot off, Harold!". Fans did irony in those days! My most vivid memory of Miah was an evening game at Craven Cottage. When the fog rolled in from the Thames it served to confuse the poor old chap, and when he set off on one of his mazy runs he ended up running into the terrace barriers. Cue hysterical laughter from all and sundry. Talking of Irish wingers, does anyone remember Joe Haverty? Was he shorter than George Petherbridge, or what? Haverty was 5ft3.1/2" Georgie 5ft 4"
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Post by brizzle on Nov 13, 2014 17:47:03 GMT
Hi Gas Since 1957, and congratulations to you on another excellent post. Like you I have also had the pleasure of supporting BRFC since 1957, so our paths must have run on quite parallel lines, eh? Spooky that. But the reason that I am replying is to say that in my experience there was little or no ''nastiness'' at either Eastville or Twerton. And most certainly not the ''nastiness'' that we have all seen in society in recent years, and not only in football grounds neither, so it's possibly a change in cultural and/or social behaviour. Mind you the only part of Eastville that I didn't frequent was the North Stand and Enclosure, so perhaps I missed it eh? The one roar that I do remember was that side of the ground chanting H-a-r-o-l-d H-a-r-o-l-d, to encourage Harold Jarman . . . which it did, as you well know. In fact standing at the Tote End it was often the case that a different type of chant went up from the North side of the ground, but they were vocal when they put their minds to it, a bit more refined than the run-of-the-mill hobbledehoy's who got on the Tote. In all of the time that I went to Eastville (and I missed very few games) I can only ever recall one bout of slow hand-clapping breaking out, and then there was the infamous occasions when the chant when round the ground ''Send Bert Tann To Vietnam,'' but I always took that as good-natured humour. I would go so far as to say that I found Eastville to be a warm and welcoming place, where you could mix with your friends, or make a new one out of the bloke standing nearby to you. As for Twerton, I can only recall one occasion when a chap standing near to me shouted out his displeasure over something or other. He was told forcefully by several other supporters to be quiet and support the team. It worked by the way. Mind you I have been called a rose-tinter in the past, but as I'm uncertain whether that's a compliment or not I'll allow that one to pass. But let's be honest, when you have a group of individuals brought together, and totalling anywhere between 5,000-8,000 people, all with different values and outlooks there is almost always likely to be dissent when things are not going to plan. But it is tough at the moment because, despite our League position the supporters aren't happy. In my opinion they are unhappy about two things, firstly our inability to score goals, which is a fundamental to a successful football team, and secondly the quality of the football that is on display. Now those two statements could start a whole pack of dogs running, so it's probably best left that when the team relaxes and is strengthened in one or two areas, then they will play more attractively, and people will be happier. Brizzle - Believe me Eastville and Twerton had the moaners! I "graduated" from the Tote End to the North Enclosure in about 1974 and was genuinely shocked at some of what was shouted at the players. Steve White (abused because he was not Paul Randall) came in for loads of abuse, Miah Denehy (OK he only played well in the one game against Swansea Boxing Day 1979). I wonder if the same set of blokes who shouted abuse moved to the "bog end" of the Twerton Popular Side and are now frequenting the West Enclosure and the area behind the dugout. Not surprised you couldn't hear abuse from the Tote End though - when I was there the vitriol and abuse was reserved for the opposing teams and their fans and, let's face it, even if a few fans on the Tote End were shouting abusive comments, it's unlikely they would have been heard on the pitch! It's not a problem unique to Rovers though but probably is more shown up when we play away at tiny grounds and the mouthy gits can be heard. I'm sure DC and the players are aware that the vast majority of fans are supportive and also understand the frustrations and anger at where we are currently. The only time in the whole of the time that I have supported BRFC that I have been embarrassed, is when those cads in the South Enclosure began baiting a black player, I think that he played for Bradford City, but I couldn't be certain. Now I'm not a pernickety-type of PC person, but I can tell you that as a 17-year-old (?) chap, even in those days I was mortified. As regards Steve White, I think that it's fair to say that he never won the Eastville crowd over. I really don't understand why, but there you are. What we'd give for a player such as him now, eh?
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Post by brizzle on Nov 13, 2014 17:51:58 GMT
My most vivid memory of Miah was an evening game at Craven Cottage. When the fog rolled in from the Thames it served to confuse the poor old chap, and when he set off on one of his mazy runs he ended up running into the terrace barriers. Cue hysterical laughter from all and sundry. Talking of Irish wingers, does anyone remember Joe Haverty? Was he shorter than George Petherbridge, or what? Haverty was 5ft3.1/2" Georgie 5ft 4" George was a giant compared to Joe then? They both seemed to me to play in an era when one size fits all, their shirts (and particularly their shorts) always seemed to belong to someone else, size-wise.
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Post by Angas on Nov 13, 2014 18:19:02 GMT
Just listened to the press conference on Rad Bris. All summed up in DC's final sentence. "Not enough togetherness in the club." Well, I think we all know where the blame lies on that one.
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Post by Bath Gas on Nov 13, 2014 18:22:57 GMT
We should be grateful that the manager who took us down now has us at the dizzy heights of 4th in the Conference. Only 9 points behind automatic promotion as well. So called fans. Tut. Yes, because everything at the club had been wine and roses for years, then DC took over for the final 8 games of last season and ruined the years of progress made by our numerous other managers. Damn blaggard. 9 points behind the leaders, a game in hand, and we play them in a couple of weeks.
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Post by mehewmagic on Nov 13, 2014 18:23:39 GMT
Actually disappointed to hear this but not shocked . Some of the so called followers of BRFC are a disgrace ! Boarding the bus again is awful and the slyness of posters around the ground sums up how far the fans have fallen along with the club. Hope he doesn't do anything stupid and resign ... why do you assume a rovers fan put the posters up? sounds suspect to me
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Post by brizzle on Nov 13, 2014 18:30:25 GMT
Actually disappointed to hear this but not shocked . Some of the so called followers of BRFC are a disgrace ! Boarding the bus again is awful and the slyness of posters around the ground sums up how far the fans have fallen along with the club. Hope he doesn't do anything stupid and resign ... why do you assume a rovers fan put the posters up? sounds suspect to meMe too. Besides which, are we men of straw . . . or what?
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Post by mehewmagic on Nov 13, 2014 18:32:23 GMT
I am a massive advocate of DC, love his confidence. Think he is tactically aware and is a young manager with a great future. Basically I can't speak highly enough of him. However something with this doesn't sit right and didn't after his post match Telford. He is at a far bigger club that he is used to. Living in MK my closest mate is a Luton fan. Regularly John Still spoke about managing fans expectations. Richard Money on the other hand alienated the fans with a similar criticism to DC. Managing the fans is part of being at big club, well any club really but it's heightened with a fan base that is the biggest in the league that have suffered years of hurt. As mentioned earlier, I rate DC very highly but all of a sudden feel a little detached from him at the moment, these idiots are individuals and they should be recognised. I somehow feel I am being tarnished with a big sweeping brush. excellent post. I fully support DC but I am fed up of him bringing this stuff up. It's not helpful. ESPECIALLY to mention something that goes back apparently to first week of the season. it is NOT a negative atmosphere overall. A few idiots may spoil it, but get a grip. It's a few. Don't tar us with this 'us against the world' sentimental stuff. as someone else said, if you want to to do that, then do it the Millwall way and make it the WHOLE club against the world, not just the players. As the penguin once said "I can smell fish".
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 13, 2014 18:41:20 GMT
As another long standing fan been supporting the Rovers since 1967 and missed jut nine home game since then I am sure the fans have lots to endure in recent years...two relegations, severe disappointment at lack of building the new stadium and the problems of selling the Mem. This is coupled with the recent upturn in results on the dark side. The fact we are now non league has affected many fans one I know over 60 unbroken years of support have decided not to attend again till they are back in the Football League.
The end of season scenes at the Mem after the Mansfield game were disgraceful, what with the race incident earlier this season, problems at Braintree and now this incident at Alfreton has done much damage to the reputation of the fans and the Club.
I do hope the team and manager are able to put these various incidents to one side and concentrate on their roles to get results and promotion. As DC says we have to stick together to achieve something and that's without doubt what needs to be addressed.
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Post by dido on Nov 13, 2014 18:58:08 GMT
"...I fully support DC but I am fed up of him bringing this stuff up. It's not helpful. ESPECIALLY to mention something that goes back apparently to first week of the season...."
It may be something he has carried around with him since then and he needed to get off his chest.
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Post by lympstonegas on Nov 13, 2014 19:14:44 GMT
Brizzle - Believe me Eastville and Twerton had the moaners! I "graduated" from the Tote End to the North Enclosure in about 1974 and was genuinely shocked at some of what was shouted at the players. Steve White (abused because he was not Paul Randall) came in for loads of abuse, Miah Denehy (OK he only played well in the one game against Swansea Boxing Day 1979). I wonder if the same set of blokes who shouted abuse moved to the "bog end" of the Twerton Popular Side and are now frequenting the West Enclosure and the area behind the dugout. Not surprised you couldn't hear abuse from the Tote End though - when I was there the vitriol and abuse was reserved for the opposing teams and their fans and, let's face it, even if a few fans on the Tote End were shouting abusive comments, it's unlikely they would have been heard on the pitch! It's not a problem unique to Rovers though but probably is more shown up when we play away at tiny grounds and the mouthy gits can be heard. I'm sure DC and the players are aware that the vast majority of fans are supportive and also understand the frustrations and anger at where we are currently. The only time in the whole of the time that I have supported BRFC that I have been embarrassed, is when those cads in the South Enclosure began baiting a black player, I think that he played for Bradford City, but I couldn't be certain. Now I'm not a pernickety-type of PC person, but I can tell you that as a 17-year-old (?) chap, even in those days I was mortified. As regards Steve White, I think that it's fair to say that he never won the Eastville crowd over. I really don't understand why, but there you are. What we'd give for a player such as him now, eh? Yes it was Bradford City's Ses Podd - I remember it well
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Nov 13, 2014 19:27:42 GMT
Mmmm the facts are we would, indeed should be up there with Wycombe in league two if JW and DC had managed to bring a young hungry sort of player last season. DC is at a huge club for conference football and the gasheads that turn up, the very vast majority are right behind what he is doing, but this outburst remininded me of Buckle mid way through his reign, the famous "lower our expectations" speech, I'd ask him why has the first signing, Jamie White, played so few games? Why does he continue to moan about our forwards not being ruthless enough and carry on picking them? Ellis Harrison scored a hat-trick against Dorchester and lthe last couple of games has watched from the bench while our forwards have continued to fire blanks in front of goal, does he not deserve a Matt Taylor esque run in the starting lineup? We are 4th, we have been on a decent run its true, he and the players are really trying their best for the shirt, but Darryl, we would be top now if you had signed Jamie Cureton, I have no doubt about that, you didn't, because, apart from his age he doesn't run around enough like Matt Taylor?? Develope a thicker skin, rise above the few morons we have in line with most teams, and get those bloody strikers firing, before we spend another season here, because if we score more goals than now, we will go up because that's all that's missing imo
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Post by PeterHooper57 on Nov 13, 2014 19:32:37 GMT
IMO there is no excuse for anyone boarding the players coach without permission. Although, I am not having Clarke tarring all the supporters with the same brush. The support BRFC get is unbeliveable and as good as any. I do feel for Clarke, unfortunately he has signed some duds and he is unable to pursuade any decent goal scorers to come and play for him, which is why we will struggle to get out of the 5th division at the first attempt. Personally, I dont care whether Clarke stays or goes, but if he is not happy then he should leave, because the expectationi that BRFC will get promoted at the first attempt, is his target, no one elses. UTG
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Nov 13, 2014 19:41:41 GMT
IMO there is no excuse for anyone boarding the players coach without permission. Although, I am not having Clarke tarring all the supporters with the same brush. The support BRFC get is unbeliveable and as good as any. I do feel for Clarke, unfortunately he has signed some duds and he is unable to pursuade any decent goal scorers to come and play for him, which is why we will struggle to get out of the 5th division at the first attempt. Personally, I dont care whether Clarke stays or goes, but if he is not happy then he should leave, because the expectationi that BRFC will get promoted at the first attempt, is his target, no one elses. UTG Agreed with 9/10th of your post except the bit about the expectations about getting promotion at the first attempt being only his, it should be all of our collective expectations to go straight back up, come on if jamie Cureton was here he'd be on 12/13 goals IMO, we'd probably be on 45 points or so, that's all that's missing from this team, but as for the rest of your post I totally agree with you!!!
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