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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 23, 2014 11:50:34 GMT
Clearly the law says if the girl didn't give consent it's rape, drunk nor not, hence why Evans was convicted
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Post by gashead1979 on Oct 23, 2014 12:04:53 GMT
Clearly the law says if the girl didn't give consent it's rape, drunk nor not, hence why Evans was convicted Who said she didnt? Only the 2 involved would know that, not sure how you can get a true conviction when its usually one word against another. Not saying this is what happened but footballers do get targeted due to fame/wealth etc |
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 23, 2014 12:07:53 GMT
Thing is if she was that drunk and gave consent, where was the "hang on a minute love, I think you've had a bit too much"
If Evans was pissed as well, I don't know how they managed anything
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Post by LPGas on Oct 23, 2014 12:16:47 GMT
Wasn't there a group of them involved? What happened to the others? I also think I heard on the news that he has appealed twice before and they have both been turned down
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 23, 2014 15:56:09 GMT
Clearly the law says if the girl didn't give consent it's rape, drunk nor not, hence why Evans was convicted But she said she can't remember, so how do they know conscent wasn't given? Also the Cttv is available to view on his website, she wasn't stumbling, even went back outside by hereself and came back in. I think rather a case of getting off because of who you are, this was a case of being found guilty because of who you are. If she can't even say whether she gave conscent or not I can't see how he was found guilty. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 23, 2014 15:58:12 GMT
Clearly the law says if the girl didn't give consent it's rape, drunk nor not, hence why Evans was convicted Who said she didnt? Only the 2 involved would know that, not sure how you can get a true conviction when its usually one word against another. Not saying this is what happened but footballers do get targeted due to fame/wealth etc Agreed and in this case it wasn't even her word against hers, as she said she couldn't remember. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 16:56:06 GMT
I think we should dispense with the Criminal Justice system altogether and just conduct trials by internet forums, seeing as there's so many experts.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 23, 2014 17:02:52 GMT
If he didn`t rape her then why should he say sorry to her? Will she apologise to him if he is cleared? She might be a bit busy moving house again having had to change her identity for a 2nd time thanks to threats from an idiotic mob, fuelled in no small part by Evans' deluded girlfriend and her very wealthy father. It's worth remembering that the CPS do the prosecuting, she just reported it. That's a very good point, and one which I think brings a lot of this thread into perspective. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 23, 2014 20:02:17 GMT
I think we should dispense with the Criminal Justice system altogether and just conduct trials by internet forums, seeing as there's so many experts. Cause they have never made mistakes before lol. |
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Post by singupgas on Oct 26, 2014 7:38:01 GMT
Absolutely not, raping someone is no accident it makes me angry when these well known people if Ched Evans is that, get away with short sentences and the people they harmed have to live with the pain for life. Give him a job back in football will be embarrassing and something he doesn't deserve. I wouldn't give him a job picking up dog sh*t.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 8:48:17 GMT
Here's how it is. If you go out drinking and pull someone you fancy having a drunken shag with then it's all good so far.
If the person you pull then texts their mate to say they've got a lass and their mate then comes over for a go then that's really not OK if consent isn't explicitly given.
The jury made their decision based on far more evidence than any of us have been party to. Stop embarrassing yourselves and respect that.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Oct 26, 2014 10:09:59 GMT
BUT....he's a footballer so it's perfectly fine!
Apparently.
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Post by falsenumber9 on Oct 26, 2014 10:38:27 GMT
Here's how it is. If you go out drinking and pull someone you fancy having a drunken shag with then it's all good so far. If the person you pull then texts their mate to say they've got a lass and their mate then comes over for a go then that's really not OK if consent isn't explicitly given. The jury made their decision based on far more evidence than any of us have been party to. Stop embarrassing yourselves and respect that. It'll be interesting to see how the appeal goes. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 12:26:43 GMT
1. Quick point for those who don't believe he's guilty - it was proven beyond all reasonable doubt. By all means, if he gets it overturned, which he has failed to do twice already, he can protest his innocence, but as it stands, he's a rapist. 2. He's every right to play again. But I can understand how disgraceful it looks to those inside and outside the game that a rapist can walk into his old job like nothing happened. 3. The difference between him and McCormick or Hughes is his total lack of remorse. 4. If Sheffield United signed him, they can quite rightly say that if they didn't, a rival would have. If the FA want to bring in a code of conduct that bans sex offenders from the pro game, that's for them to decide. 5. As things stand he's a convicted rapist with no signs of remorse - I wouldn't want him in the Quarters and if I were Welsh I wouldn't want him in the national side either. Great summary. Football is an entertainment industry. There are lots of potential players that Sheffield United could employ to play football for them and charge people to watch. This isn't about whether they continue to exist or not or even whether it would make much difference to their success or viability. If it were, there would be some mileage in considering whether it could be justified. As it is, it would be good to think they would simply choose someone who isn't an arrogant and unrepentant rapist to be one of the people who represent them. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 26, 2014 14:22:49 GMT
Here's how it is. If you go out drinking and pull someone you fancy having a drunken shag with then it's all good so far. If the person you pull then texts their mate to say they've got a lass and their mate then comes over for a go then that's really not OK if consent isn't explicitly given. The jury made their decision based on far more evidence than any of us have been party to. Stop embarrassing yourselves and respect that. She has never said she was raped, all witnesses said she was groaning and saying more. The first thing the police wrote was Titus Bramble, sounds like they were looking to make a case. All thing sounds dodgey, the police couldn't get hold of deleted tweets, but an expect has managed to after. She said to mates what she was going to buy them when she gets her payday from it. She used Facebook to contact her mates all night, but deleted the messages. No signs of rape or anything when examined, no DNA on Evans, it was him who said he had joined in when asked. CCTV is available to view, she is walking fine in high heels, bending down in them, walking unaided. Was speaking to the taxi driver and sat in the front with him. She was the one in control. With No evidence I don't know how they found him guilty, only thing I can think of is the jury found him guilty because he was a footballer. Not one witness saying she said no, including herself, no DNA, nothing. The Jury does not always make the right decision, especially on big cases. If they had the attitude of he is a footballer they normally get away with things like many on here, he was guilty before the case even started. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 15:30:56 GMT
Thanks for that then
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 26, 2014 19:54:38 GMT
Lol. Just given my opinion that I think he might have been innocent. I didn't know a lot about it so looked around for information about the case. Anyone can view the cttv and she does not look that drunk, her friends said she was not as drunk as normall and she said she drunk less than normal. I know the information is probably not all out there so he may well be guilty, but in my opinion it looks like the police went after him. If he is guilty he deserves all the abuse he is going to get. Only the people there will only ever know what happened, 2 say he is innocent and 1 says she can't remember what happened. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 12:29:41 GMT
Ched has proposed to his girlfriend. It's the first time he's asked for permission.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Nov 11, 2014 22:23:08 GMT
I'm not in the camp that Ched Evans should never play football again, that would be applying a different set of morals & law to him than any other criminal. But the statement tonight from Sheff Utd is a disgusting, weasly, hand washing, embarrassment in trying to hide behind the PFA. For that and that alone I have to despise them.
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 12, 2014 20:55:45 GMT
could cost SUFC a lot of kudos IF they take him on, with a major sponsor threatening to walk away, and many supporters threatening to do the same, Afraid he is... at the moment poison ivy... be surprised if some club takes him ,unless his next appeal clears him and he shows a bit more respect to those he has.. or may have caused upset to,and the sooner he moves away from the"mob" purporting to support him the better for him
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