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Post by chelt_gas on Nov 13, 2014 21:34:58 GMT
This is an interesting dilemma. I think it's wrong for companies and celebrities to exploit a situation to benefit their brand. I've lost a lot of respect for Ennis Hill and Clegg.
A club should be allowed to employ anyone who can be employed and can do the job.
The interesting point is the 'what if' scenario that Ched Evans is found not guilty which is not beyond impossibility. I think the more people and celebrities comment on this then the more distorted it gets.
The guy had sex with a drunk girl and no one knows if she consented or not. He says she did, she doesn't know if she did.
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Post by strung out on Nov 13, 2014 22:12:52 GMT
She can't consent if she was that drunk. And he WAS found guilty.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 22:56:15 GMT
Evans training with SUFC. As a result, Blades fan Jessica Ennis-Hill has asked for her name to be removed from the stand at Bramall Lane that was renamed in her honour.
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Post by splitter on Nov 14, 2014 9:25:50 GMT
She can't consent if she was that drunk. That's part of the problem. The court ruled that she did consent with Clayton McDonald but not with Ched Evans. She can consent if she was that drunk. In my personal opinion what McDonald and Evans did that night is highly disrespectful to women. They are certainly not the sort of people that I would want to associate with or I would want any of my family near, but I am not sure that this conviction is sound. Drunken consent is still consent. They say she consented, she says she can't remember. This paragraph from Ched's own website sums it up quite well, "As this case revolves around the issue of intoxication and consent, it should be noted that it is established in the case of R V Bree that drunken consent to sexual intercourse is nevertheless consent in the eyes of the law. This does not mean that if a person is unconscious through drink or drugs it is acceptable to have sex with that person but rather, where an intoxicated person is functioning and able to make conscious decisions at the time of intercourse and then subsequently regrets that decision and decides to make a complaint of rape, her self-inflicted intoxication ought not to be considered as relevant to the issue of consent." The CCTV footage of the girl arriving at the hotel certainly do not look like some one who is, "unconscious through drink or drugs". Picking up a drunk girl for sex, than having a mate join in half way through, then just buggering off and leave her alone in a hotel room is a terrible way to act, but that does not automatically make it rape. Just the same as wilfully getting into a taxi drunk at a Kebab shop, going back to a hotel room does not automatically constitute consent. I am really undecided on what I think happened that night. The law states that a conviction needs to be "beyond reasonable doubt". For me there is reasonable doubt. |
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 14, 2014 21:25:23 GMT
and now some thick sh8t has tweeted Jess Ennis,that he hoped Ched Evans would rape her.........after she had said that her name be removed from the stand roof if he[evans] was re-instated to the clubs payroll.....
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 20, 2014 21:56:05 GMT
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Post by bluetornados on Dec 21, 2014 10:53:10 GMT
Hartlepool boss Ronnie Moore would like to sign convicted rapist Ched Evans.
Evans, 25, was released in October after serving half of a five-year sentence for the rape of a 19-year-old woman in a hotel room in 2011.
Moore, who took charge of the Football League's bottom club this week, has confirmed his interest in Wales and ex-Sheffield United striker Evans.
"It's a possibility. If it could happen, I'd want it to," he said after Saturday's 1-1 home draw with Oxford.
"He is a proven scorer; he's served his time and the boy wants to play football."
Sheffield United retracted an offer to allow Evans to train with them last month following strong local opposition, but 61-year-old Moore insists he is willing to offer the forward a route back into football.
"If there is a chance he might come here, I don't see any reason why he shouldn't," he continued.
Hartlepool's Labour MP Iain Wright said Evans was a "pariah" and signing him would send the wrong message to young fans.
"I really hope we don't," said Wright. "I love my club, I love Hartlepool United. There's a reason why no other team in the Football League wants to sign him - he is a pariah.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 21:16:58 GMT
Hartlepool have already confirmed that they will not be approaching him, and I imagine Ronnie Moore will get his first bollocking as Hartlepool manager in the morning.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 9:44:13 GMT
Maybe Ronnie had a bet on who he's sign for.
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Post by brizzle on Dec 22, 2014 15:59:01 GMT
Hartlepool have already confirmed that they will not be approaching him, and I imagine Ronnie Moore will get his first bollocking as Hartlepool manager in the morning. Hartlepool's involvement was a farce from the beginning, I'm just relieved that it didn't go on for too long. It's a bit like me calling a press conference and declaring that I intend to buy the Eiffel Tower, and then a day or two later my wife saying that I didn't intend to proceed with the purchase. Firstly their newly-appointed manager said that he was ''considering'' signing the player, then the Club issued a statement in which they said that they didn't intend to sign the player. In the meantime the player didn't seem to say anything at all regarding Hartlepool's interest in him. Didn't someone once say that ''there is no such thing as bad publicity?'' I wonder if that extends to bad cheap publicity? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 12:42:37 GMT
Oldham Athletic Halfway House Football Club are going to sign him, apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 22:44:35 GMT
Or apparently not.
They appear to have stitched themselves up here. They're not only desperate enough to consider it, they're also not quite prepared to commit to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 23:54:23 GMT
You wonder what planet the directors of OAFC have been living on for the past few months given they seem surprised that this signing would attract controversy
Mind you, they signed Lee Hughes after he got out of chokey - though he actually said he was sorry I believe
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Post by strung out on Jan 6, 2015 11:24:02 GMT
Apparently it's a retired police superintendent on the board who is pushing this through - he also brokered the deal for Hughes to sign for them a few years back.
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Post by sharkey on Jan 7, 2015 19:37:50 GMT
I cannot help but believe that if he came out with cloth cap in hand mumbling an insincere apology (as other football criminals have) the amount of fuss would have been so much less. One most also question whether taking someone's life when drink driving is less of a crime, because I cannot recall the furore with Lee Hughes and that Plymouth goalie or, for that matter, crimes committed by top level players like Tony Adams.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 8, 2015 9:18:49 GMT
or even the actor on Eastenders who had done time for murdering a taxi driver in Germany. What about the world famous director who is wanted in the US for sodomising a 14 year old girl? He's still making films. Graham Rix did the dirty with an underage girl, yet he returned to football with Chelsea.
Double standards are being applied in the Evans case I think.
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Post by strung out on Jan 8, 2015 10:08:39 GMT
A British Army soldier convicted of murdering a taxi driver in the 60s and subsequently getting work as a jobbing actor in the 80s is *exactly* the same as an unrepentant rapist footballer getting a job in the same profession three years later, you're right, well done Nobby.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 10:22:01 GMT
There are loads of professions where being a convicted sex offender would prevent you from taking a role in that profession again. Footballers are expected to work with kids, do charity and community work on behalf of their employers and are often surrounded by star struck impressionable young women. I don't believe that this convicted sex offender, who is on the register for however many years it is now, is a suitable person to be working in this field.
Btw, he hasn't 'done his time', he's out on licence. His sentence is not served yet and he'll be back inside should the convicted sex offender go anywhere else he isn't invited in future
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Post by DudeLebowski on Jan 8, 2015 11:33:50 GMT
Evans to Oldham deal is now off.
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Post by truegashead on Jan 8, 2015 13:08:21 GMT
Not sure if this is has been mentioned and will take any stick for posting this.
But would it be wrong to look at signing him, he is a proven goal scorer and would be cheap on wages as he is just looking to play football again.
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