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Post by turbo on Oct 20, 2014 17:51:24 GMT
Now I'm not for one moment suggesting we're rumoured to sign him or anything, was just wondering what people thoughts were if we did sign him given our striker problems. I think he'd be brilliant at this level, I remember the case although convicted seemed a little suspect. Even though what are people's views if we gave him a chance? Thoughts.....
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Post by ellington on Oct 20, 2014 17:55:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 18:04:06 GMT
Absolutely not
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Post by droitwichgas on Oct 20, 2014 18:11:35 GMT
Now I'm not for one moment suggesting we're rumoured to sign him or anything, was just wondering what people thoughts were if we did sign him given our striker problems. I think he'd be brilliant at this level, I remember the case although convicted seemed a little suspect. Even though what are people's views if we gave him a chance? Thoughts..... Given McCormick & Hughes were both allowed back into the game after killing somebody I'm not really sure why there's so much fuss about Evans? However I feel we've had a enough bad publicity recently not to invite even more!
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Post by clockendgas on Oct 20, 2014 18:12:21 GMT
must be top of fgr shopping list, nearly got the full set then. Much as i agree everyone should get a second chance, i dont think it would be a good move for rovers imho
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pirate
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Post by pirate on Oct 20, 2014 18:31:52 GMT
If he scored the goals that got us out of this league then yes I'd have him.
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Post by zfc on Oct 20, 2014 18:33:37 GMT
No chance of him playing for Rovers as it is rumoured that he will resume his career with Sheff Utd.TalkSport devoted quite a bit of time to the Ched Evans story last Friday and the head of the PFA Gordon Taylor is privy to the information that Evans lawyers have for the appeal.
Taylor seemed quite confident that Evans will clear his name and continue to play football.They were saying that Sheff Utd would insist that Evans apologised which would put him in a difficult position if he is innocent as what should he apologise for?
It will be interesting to see how the appeal case develops.
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Post by falsenumber9 on Oct 20, 2014 18:41:01 GMT
I'd sign him - could be a good opportunity for him to get match fit for a few months and for the media storm to subside before he rejoins Sheff Utd.
Let's not forget we signed Clayton Mcdonald after this incident occurred.
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pirate
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Post by pirate on Oct 20, 2014 18:41:09 GMT
Off the footballing side of things, apparently you have to pay the girl in question £624 if you mention her name on social media. This seems a tad ridiculous when you consider I am a pensioner who hadn't turned on a computer a few years ago and it took me all of 30 seconds to find her name on google.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 20, 2014 18:49:42 GMT
Now I'm not for one moment suggesting we're rumoured to sign him or anything, was just wondering what people thoughts were if we did sign him given our striker problems. I think he'd be brilliant at this level, I remember the case although convicted seemed a little suspect. Even though what are people's views if we gave him a chance? Thoughts..... That would be a completely and utterly hypothetical question, on ever-so-many levels. But for starters he couldn't possibly be so desperate as to want to sign for a Conference club, who have been unable to attract decent players (and in particular strikers) for quite some time now. Where would the future be?
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Post by falsenumber9 on Oct 20, 2014 18:54:19 GMT
Now I'm not for one moment suggesting we're rumoured to sign him or anything, was just wondering what people thoughts were if we did sign him given our striker problems. I think he'd be brilliant at this level, I remember the case although convicted seemed a little suspect. Even though what are people's views if we gave him a chance? Thoughts..... That would be a completely and utterly hypothetical question, on ever-so-many levels. But for starters he couldn't possibly be so desperate as to want to sign for a Conference club, who have been unable to attract decent players (and in particular strikers) for quite some time now. Where would the future be? It's a different situation but Luke McCormick signed for Truro City (Conference South) after his release from jail. It could work for both parties, although by the sounds of it Evans is dedicating his time to fighting his innocence so it might be he's out the game for a bit longer yet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 18:58:22 GMT
Off the footballing side of things, apparently you have to pay the girl in question £624 if you mention her name on social media. This seems a tad ridiculous when you consider I am a pensioner who hadn't turned on a computer a few years ago and it took me all of 30 seconds to find her name on google. Don't mention her name then?
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pirate
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Post by pirate on Oct 20, 2014 19:07:32 GMT
Off the footballing side of things, apparently you have to pay the girl in question £624 if you mention her name on social media. This seems a tad ridiculous when you consider I am a pensioner who hadn't turned on a computer a few years ago and it took me all of 30 seconds to find her name on google. Don't mention her name then? Did I mention her name? Did I say I was going to?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 19:11:42 GMT
Don't mention her name then? Did I mention her name? Did I say I was going to? It was just a suggestion to help you save money.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Oct 21, 2014 6:35:51 GMT
Not for me.
Wouldn't fancy paying £18 to watch a bloke wear our shirts, who raped a girl & filmed it with his mates.
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Post by chelt_gas on Oct 21, 2014 7:27:54 GMT
This is only an opinion, and based on reading the website that Ched Evans set up alongside the reporting, and made knowing people who are victims of abuse whilst also acknowledging that there may be readers who may be sensitive to such topics. It's one of those sensitive subjects that no matter what anyone says they'll be the vocal broadcaster of social media enthusiast keen to turn some of the arguments to propel their own agenda. I actually got what Judy Finnigan was saying, rapes are committed in various severities but she was still condoning the act, it was clumsily made although she was trying to make an unprepared contribution to a live TV show.
Although the guy was convicted it doesn't seem a clear case and one which, if overturned (which is conceivable), would mean all the vitriolic naysayers would look different if suddenly he got off. And there is a chance it may be overturned. So I think people need to isolate the act of sex outside of consent with the actual case which is fluid (excuse the choice of words).
The act of having sex with someone without consent is a subject everyone agrees is deplorable, even I suspect Chedwyn Evans. I suspect he wouldn't do it again ever, even if there was a circumstance when a girl was drunk and approachable but non compus mentus. But the case relies on whether she did give consent which only her and Ched really knows, and even then on the perception of whether consent was implied or not by the actions and/or language of the two parties at that particular time. The reported actions of the CPS and the female officers certainly present another slant on the case, once a case was made the alleged victim was certainly encouraged to lodge a case against the footballer.
There are many 'lads' on here that are veterans of Magaluf, Ibiza etc and the sexual culture on these islands will really test the definition of a 'Consent'. Both parties are blind drunk, neither have expressly consent or rejected, whilst there are (dare I say it) more than two people in the bed which even surprise some of the original participants. I recall one incident when a girl of a less amenable and presentable posterior really surprised me, I did retrospectively consent to any action the day after (Cest la vie).
Exploring the whole rationale of consent; does that mean that 'dark saunas' and 'dogging spots' are potential future environments where people are not giving consent but them being there, or in the state or appearance in such areas, is implying consent even if it is not verbally given or evidenced? That's being flippant but the Ched Evans case is certainly interesting defining what and how consent is measured in certain circumstances.
So under what conditions would a club be prepared to let an ex-convict represent them? After all, allowing an en-convict the chance of employment is showing that we're above prejudice whilst just because someone has done something in the past, and is remorseful (if they were guilty) doesn't mean the club holds the values of the perpetrator at the time. I would hope Rovers is against Rape, even if we did back one of our ex players prior to conviction - but is that far different to backing someone in their appeal to a very cloudy, questionable case? Especially looking at some of Yewtree suspects who weren't clearly suspects but only after dragging them through the mire to prove the CPS had a point.
However, overall, the majority of people are reacting or reinforcing sound bites for the own agenda. The facts of the case is far greater in context and people are exploiting the general interest to then publish their opinions on matters related to the case. I would not oppose Ched Evans signing for Rovers but I'd make it clear that the player was clearly remorseful to victims even if he believed he was wrongfully prosecuted.
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Post by lympstonegas on Oct 21, 2014 7:37:56 GMT
A very good read - thank you for taking the time to explain some of points which I'm sure are not so readily explained in some of the red tops reporting and social media channels
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 8:07:38 GMT
To cut to the chase, I'd hand back my season ticket. I don't want my money being handed to a convicted rapist.
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Post by chelt_gas on Oct 21, 2014 8:12:35 GMT
And if his appeal overturns his conviction?
I guess our opinion is based a lot on the strength of our judicial system. Then we have licence to play those emotions and burn those witches.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 8:15:11 GMT
And if his appeal overturns his conviction? I guess our opinion is based a lot on the strength of our judicial system. Then we have licence to play those emotions and burn those witches. As of this moment he's a convicted rapist, if his conviction of over turned then I may reassess my stance but currently he is a rapist.
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