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Post by timothyq on Oct 21, 2014 8:23:32 GMT
Apologies for the tangent, but there's no reason football can't set their own standards / code of conduct for professional players. The reason we won't have to grapple with the problem of signing him is because if Sheffield Utd don't someone else in the FL will, so if the blades decide to show some moral fibre they will get absolutely no reward for it when Evans scores a brace against them next season. Football club's can't expect to have their own moral standard if they're not supported by the league / FA. A rapist wouldn't be able to continue work as a doctor, solicitor or accountant (virtually any responsible professional) so I see no reason why the FA can't have enforce their own moral standards.
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Post by chelt_gas on Oct 21, 2014 9:47:08 GMT
And if his appeal overturns his conviction? I guess our opinion is based a lot on the strength of our judicial system. Then we have licence to play those emotions and burn those witches. As of this moment he's a convicted rapist, if his conviction of over turned then I may reassess my stance but currently he is a rapist. He's definitely convicted. But whether he is rapist was down to barristers and the perception of 12 people confusing whether they were convicting a person or grappling with what is consent in that particular case. If he is a rapist, beyond reasonable doubt, in the present term then stay clear. However, he has served his time and he should not be prejudiced now he is supposedly a reformed character following his rehabilitation at HM leisure. How are we going to reform people if they are always going to be labelled after an illegal action that happened in the past, if it indeed happened? Interesting topic, and one where there's going to be contrasting and supporting viewpoints. Opinions may change but this is definitely a subject for opinions. |
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Post by Somerset Blue on Oct 21, 2014 10:01:00 GMT
I think he will win his appeal .... lets see where the world of righteous men sit then.
For the record I would give him a chance guilty or not .... if you stopped all those guilty of wrong doings from watching football , be it abuse to another party, benefit fraud, theft, etc ... wonder how many would drop from the gate each week?
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Post by gasgomarchingin on Oct 21, 2014 13:27:45 GMT
I'm not convinced he is guilty. Don't know where I stand with this to be honest. I think he should be allowed back into football.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 13:44:58 GMT
I'm not convinced he is guilty. Don't know where I stand with this to be honest. I think he should be allowed back into football. It seems because it's a rape people seem to doubt the conviction, I do think they'd feel a bit different if it was a family member involved. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 21, 2014 14:03:35 GMT
If he is guilty he has certainly shown no remorse, in fact quite the opposite.
He is fighting the case and using the media to promote his version of events and show what a marvellous chap he really is.
I could have understood that however I find it strange that his friends have been trolling the victim and identifying her and revealing both old identity and new identity. The police are now offering to give her yet another new identity to stop the victimisation. Mr Evand and his mates certainly trying to exact some revenge.....
I believe in people serving their time and being reintegrated into society however there is something about the actions of the individual and his friends that really makes me uncomfortable and I would not want him near the club.
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 21, 2014 14:36:01 GMT
1. Quick point for those who don't believe he's guilty - it was proven beyond all reasonable doubt. By all means, if he gets it overturned, which he has failed to do twice already, he can protest his innocence, but as it stands, he's a rapist.
2. He's every right to play again. But I can understand how disgraceful it looks to those inside and outside the game that a rapist can walk into his old job like nothing happened.
3. The difference between him and McCormick or Hughes is his total lack of remorse.
4. If Sheffield United signed him, they can quite rightly say that if they didn't, a rival would have. If the FA want to bring in a code of conduct that bans sex offenders from the pro game, that's for them to decide.
5. As things stand he's a convicted rapist with no signs of remorse - I wouldn't want him in the Quarters and if I were Welsh I wouldn't want him in the national side either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 14:52:11 GMT
5. As things stand he's a convicted rapist with no signs of remorse - I wouldn't want him in the Quarters and if I were Welsh I wouldn't want him in the national side either. SOR Restrictions will apply, with it being a five year sentence they're in place for life so he could play at home but not away. |
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 21, 2014 15:05:19 GMT
5. As things stand he's a convicted rapist with no signs of remorse - I wouldn't want him in the Quarters and if I were Welsh I wouldn't want him in the national side either. SOR Restrictions will apply, with it being a five year sentence they're in place for life so he could play at home but not away. He can't leave the country? |
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Post by brizzle on Oct 21, 2014 15:08:21 GMT
Reading through this thread, I should like to congratulate cheltgas on expressing his thoughts and making his points as eloquently as he has done.
That's not to say that I either agree or disagree with him, but it was a very good read and in my opinion he presented a well balanced argument. Well done for that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 15:15:12 GMT
SOR Restrictions will apply, with it being a five year sentence they're in place for life so he could play at home but not away. He can't leave the country? They have to notify the police of any stays away from home that will be over 7 days, I've been told by a friend with knowledge of such things this can take 2-4 weeks to process which, would mean calling him up maybe 5-6 weeks before everyone else... I don't think Coleman will want him anyway. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 21, 2014 15:40:11 GMT
I'm guessing playing international away games is the least of his concerns at present!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 16:24:24 GMT
I'm guessing playing international away games is the least of his concerns at present! For a rapist he doesn't seem to have a care in the world. Subhuman man. |
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Post by blueginger on Oct 21, 2014 16:52:14 GMT
I'm guessing playing international away games is the least of his concerns at present! For a rapist he doesn't seem to have a care in the world. Subhuman man. Don't you find most professional footballers to be arrogant little sh*t's who only care about themselves. |
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Post by BS11Gas on Oct 21, 2014 17:10:28 GMT
For a rapist he doesn't seem to have a care in the world. Subhuman man. Don't you find most professional footballers to be arrogant little sh*t's who only care about themselves. I wouldn't say so. It's usually the arrogant tossers that give the decent ones a bad name. Pretty much every interaction I've had with pro footballers, they've been friendly people, even the s**theads. |
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Post by falsenumber9 on Oct 21, 2014 17:15:18 GMT
1. Quick point for those who don't believe he's guilty - it was proven beyond all reasonable doubt. By all means, if he gets it overturned, which he has failed to do twice already, he can protest his innocence, but as it stands, he's a rapist. 2. He's every right to play again. But I can understand how disgraceful it looks to those inside and outside the game that a rapist can walk into his old job like nothing happened. 3. The difference between him and McCormick or Hughes is his total lack of remorse. 4. If Sheffield United signed him, they can quite rightly say that if they didn't, a rival would have. If the FA want to bring in a code of conduct that bans sex offenders from the pro game, that's for them to decide. 5. As things stand he's a convicted rapist with no signs of remorse - I wouldn't want him in the Quarters and if I were Welsh I wouldn't want him in the national side either. Cheltgas has it spot on. 'Rapist' is an incredibly strong and vile word with horrible connotations. Clearly each situation is different and anyone who followed the Evans/McDonald trail will know it's not a clear case. I found it interesting to visit chedevans.com and read his defence. Personally I find the mass hysteria surrounding his potential return to the football field quite excessive in the context of the modern game. 150,000 sign a petition stating that Sheff United should not resign him yet no one appears to bat an eyelid when the likes of Marlon King and Nile Ranger continue to be signed up by clubs. |
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 21, 2014 17:32:22 GMT
What else does one call someone convicted of rape? It's for the justice system to decide if what he did was rape, and until his strangely fast-tracked appeal to the CCRC decides otherwise, the conviction stands.
We're veering into Judy Finnegan territory here, where some rapes are rapes and some aren't somehow.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 17:36:37 GMT
1. Quick point for those who don't believe he's guilty - it was proven beyond all reasonable doubt. By all means, if he gets it overturned, which he has failed to do twice already, he can protest his innocence, but as it stands, he's a rapist. 2. He's every right to play again. But I can understand how disgraceful it looks to those inside and outside the game that a rapist can walk into his old job like nothing happened. 3. The difference between him and McCormick or Hughes is his total lack of remorse. 4. If Sheffield United signed him, they can quite rightly say that if they didn't, a rival would have. If the FA want to bring in a code of conduct that bans sex offenders from the pro game, that's for them to decide. 5. As things stand he's a convicted rapist with no signs of remorse - I wouldn't want him in the Quarters and if I were Welsh I wouldn't want him in the national side either. Cheltgas has it spot on. 'Rapist' is an incredibly strong and vile word with horrible connotations. Clearly each situation is different and anyone who followed the Evans/McDonald trail will know it's not a clear case. I found it interesting to visit chedevans.com and read his defence. Personally I find the mass hysteria surrounding his potential return to the football field quite excessive in the context of the modern game. 150,000 sign a petition stating that Sheff United should not resign him yet no one appears to bat an eyelid when the likes of Marlon King and Nile Ranger continue to be signed up by clubs. Yeah, but, he is a rapist. |
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Post by falsenumber9 on Oct 21, 2014 17:41:21 GMT
What else does one call someone convicted of rape? It's for the justice system to decide if what he did was rape, and until his strangely fast-tracked appeal to the CCRC decides otherwise, the conviction stands. We're veering into Judy Finnegan territory here, where some rapes are rapes and some aren't somehow. It'll be very interesting to see how that appeal goes. |
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Post by Bristol Rovers on Oct 21, 2014 17:52:18 GMT
"The spokesman added: "The decision to prioritise the case simply brings forward the starting point of the investigations to decide whether or not there may be grounds for us to refer the case to the Court of Appeal. "It does not in any way represent a judgment by the commission as to the merits of the case or its chances of being referred." He's bound to do this to try and clear his name. Anyone with money would do exactly the same thing. Unless any new evidence has come to light I wouldn't have thought he has a leg to stand on. |
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