kingswood Polak
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Racism?
Oct 10, 2014 12:16:01 GMT
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 10, 2014 12:16:01 GMT
The largest slave trade of all time was run by the ottoman empire, stealing women from the caucuses to be sex slaves. Still going on today, visit the middle east or turkey and it's alive and well. Sadly true. Hard to believe thst it still goes on. I have to be careful as I am an empath by nature, if I start to allow myself to dwell on this stuff too much, I can get badly depressed. What a ducked up world we live in mate EDIT Having to fight the urge to paraphrase Pink Floyd lyrics as a response to a lot here
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Oct 10, 2014 13:05:41 GMT
blimey I knew we had some idiots on this forum, but this thread is the net to catch them Being fat and disabled and with gingers in the family, yes we get loads of negitivity, and yes its very different for attacking someone for his colour or creed (if verified of course- some fans are in the course of doing this with the club I understand) And as for 'not exactly throwing bananas on the pitch' - words fail me.I was at Eastville when that happened to an opposition player. One of our players (I think it was Keith Curle) said about that game he was so upset he threw up in the changing rooms later. So you arses who think shouting black b******, ****** monkey boy or coon only affects one opposition player its aimed at, think again. As for the game I didnt hear any widepsread racist chanting, but we've all been near odd idiot who ruins the night for 4999 people out of 5000. Indeed there was such an idiot in the main stand a few years ago, who was reported to stewards, warned by club as to his future behavior after he said it was an one off word that came out through frustration and subsequently had his season ticket revoked when the one off happened several times a game in several games thereafter Now to be controversial I really do believe everyone has a micro gram of racism within them, and if they dont I admire them (tho I do suspect many are are kidding themselves).Let me explain before you jump down my neck. The test I usually use when debating this is Q - your beautiful 18 year old daughter brings home a boyfriend for first time, and you open the door and he is a 6ft 5 heavily muscled black guy with massive chains round his neck. What do you think? And that one micro second of hesitation before saying 'why would I think anything if she wants to be with him thats fine' is the level of racism I am talking about. However its about being respectful and being able to control the devil within everyone (if people are really honest), and if you cant do that you're not welcome in any club I'm involved with. Spot on. Agree totally. It's about controlling those sometimes intrusive thoughts and acts of compulsion. I agree we all do have primal prejudice, those very few who do not, either so very lucky to attain such high level function or just have learned to control much earlier than the majority. Great post Manc cheers - btw forgot to add most people read the question posed above as the daughter being white...............even though it doesn't say that....like I say everyone has a micro percentage of racial thought and assumption I dont care who you are. Back to the subject - apparently 'malteser head' was the start of the unpleasantness, and whilst racial slur content of that is debatable and down to opinion, it ended up like an episode of the 70s sitcom Love thy Neighbour which is when stewards were asked to intervene (word which triggered action rhymes with cog). So as so many have said the investigation needs to happen, happen quickly and report issued detailing what happened and what has been done to fan, stewards re training and instruction, and a clear message to anyone who wants to try their hand at racism, borderline or otherwise on what the consequences will be. Hpefully the FA wont punish the club with points or fine, based on the behaviour of 1/2 people (wont use word 'fan'). People mention abuse on weight, but seem to forget the keeper had a right old laugh with the fans singing you fat bar steward, and took it as a joke.He clearly had a sense of fun you gcould see that from where we were. From what I've read about him from other clubs he's played with (and from speaking to those who had banter with him during game at the South stand end) he seems to be the kind of lad who'd even take malteser head references as factual based joke, if not a little misjudged. But everyone has their limits, and hopefully the report will set out why those limits were exceeded and those in any doubt as to what human beings find acceptable ( I dont know why doubt exists buy hey ho) wont be in any doubt any more and can abide by the rules, or shut up, or watch their footy elsewhere.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Oct 10, 2014 13:23:59 GMT
Yeah it's horrible. My ex was from there and people in this country often give it the "e Europeans are all hookers". So many people assumed I'd bought her, or make comments. Sadly, nobody gives a s**t as they are the wrong colour to be a victim according to some.
Good and bad in every society. Hate the act, not the race.
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Racism?
Oct 10, 2014 13:44:29 GMT
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 10, 2014 13:44:29 GMT
Spot on. Agree totally. It's about controlling those sometimes intrusive thoughts and acts of compulsion. I agree we all do have primal prejudice, those very few who do not, either so very lucky to attain such high level function or just have learned to control much earlier than the majority. Great post Manc cheers - btw forgot to add most people read the question posed above as the daughter being white...............even though it doesn't say that....like I say everyone has a micro percentage of racial thought and assumption I dont care who you are. Back to the subject - apparently 'malteser head' was the start of the unpleasantness, and whilst racial slur content of that is debatable and down to opinion, it ended up like an episode of the 70s sitcom Love thy Neighbour which is when stewards were asked to intervene (word which triggered action rhymes with cog). So as so many have said the investigation needs to happen, happen quickly and report issued detailing what happened and what has been done to fan, stewards re training and instruction, and a clear message to anyone who wants to try their hand at racism, borderline or otherwise on what the consequences will be. Hpefully the FA wont punish the club with points or fine, based on the behaviour of 1/2 people (wont use word 'fan'). People mention abuse on weight, but seem to forget the keeper had a right old laugh with the fans singing you fat bar steward, and took it as a joke.He clearly had a sense of fun you gcould see that from where we were. From what I've read about him from other clubs he's played with (and from speaking to those who had banter with him during game at the South stand end) he seems to be the kind of lad who'd even take malteser head references as factual based joke, if not a little misjudged. But everyone has their limits, and hopefully the report will set out why those limits were exceeded and those in any doubt as to what human beings find acceptable ( I dont know why doubt exists buy hey ho) wont be in any doubt any more and can abide by the rules, or shut up, or watch their footy elsewhere. Manc you seem to be suggesting you know what was said & that more then one person was involved. Care to enlighten the rest of us as to what was said & by whom, and perhaps how you know this given you wouldn't have heard from your seat? Holding my breath ......
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Racism?
Oct 10, 2014 14:50:41 GMT
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 10, 2014 14:50:41 GMT
Police now saying on their website that the abuse was "repeated".
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Post by splitter on Oct 10, 2014 15:05:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 15:49:13 GMT
Police now saying on their website that the abuse was "repeated". Jason Brown said, in an interview played on Radio Bristol this morning, that it went on for several minutes. He brought it to the attention of the linesman who said he'd put it into his report. Then, after it continued, he looked back and saw the man still racially abusing him so he called the referee over who also said he would put it in his report. But the keeper wasn't happy with this so asked the ref to stop the game. I'm paraphrasing a little because I heard the interview early this morning and it's now nearly 5pm and I'm old! But that's the jist of it... that it carried on for a while and wasn't a one off abusive shout.
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Racism?
Oct 10, 2014 16:12:32 GMT
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 10, 2014 16:12:32 GMT
Police now saying on their website that the abuse was "repeated". Jason Brown said, in an interview played on Radio Bristol this morning, that it went on for several minutes. He brought it to the attention of the linesman who said he'd put it into his report. Then, after it continued, he looked back and saw the man still racially abusing him so he called the referee over who also said he would put it in his report. But the keeper wasn't happy with this so asked the ref to stop the game. I'm paraphrasing a little because I heard the interview early this morning and it's now nearly 5pm and I'm old! But that's the jist of it... that it carried on for a while and wasn't a one off abusive shout. Well summarised. Makes the righteous indignation of the put upon middle-aged white folks on here even more ridiculous!
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Post by bowleggedchicken on Oct 10, 2014 17:53:29 GMT
What is you problem with middle Aged white folk ? Not racist at all are you?
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 10, 2014 18:32:35 GMT
What is you problem with middle Aged white folk ? Not racist at all are you? I'll assume you're being funny, but in case you weren't, I don't have a problem with middle aged white folks, or black ones for that matter - I find issue with the righteous indignation of white blokes who live in Britain, therefore having one of the easiest existences in the world when it comes to prejudice, defending peoples' "right" to make racist remarks because they were "only" calling someone a "Malteaser" or because we have actions in place in certain parts of society to try and address centuries of inequality against black people, women, etc etc. But you were being funny, I assume, so you didn't need that explanation...
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Post by blueginger on Oct 10, 2014 19:29:09 GMT
Have just seen the photo released, not the clearest picture.
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Post by zfc on Oct 10, 2014 20:33:28 GMT
Hate Crime? ?? You couldn`t make it up as Richard Littlejohn would say.I am so pleased that there is so little crime in Bristol that the police have the time to investigate such a trivial incident. I suppose all that useless diversity training that costs tax payers millions has to put into practice sometimes. I see on the other forum the outraged mob had a go at someone for calling black people coloured it was used in a context that had no malice yet not one of them had a clue why black people were called coloured in the first place and came out with some bizarre reasons.
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Post by 1883hanhamgas on Oct 10, 2014 20:47:33 GMT
i have been saying this would happen for years....
20 years ago i was nicked in town for using the short word for pakistan..... whilst being questioned i asked what if i call someone whos welsh a ss......same... nicked the copper said. what about a scotsman...a jock....same the copper said.... and so it went on....
roll onto lee rigby getting killed , i marched from kingswood down as far as redfield, where a asian chap threatened to cut my white head off, head by at least 3 coppers who refused to do anything ..... now if they wont intervene ...why would a steward ....??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 21:03:45 GMT
What is you problem with middle Aged white folk ? Not racist at all are you? I'll assume you're being funny, but in case you weren't, I don't have a problem with middle aged white folks, or black ones for that matter - I find issue with the righteous indignation of white blokes who live in Britain, therefore having one of the easiest existences in the world when it comes to prejudice, defending peoples' "right" to make racist remarks because they were "only" calling someone a "Malteaser" or because we have actions in place in certain parts of society to try and address centuries of inequality against black people, women, etc etc. But you were being funny, I assume, so you didn't need that explanation... Thank god I don't come into contact with patronising,self righteous arseholes like you. It's 2014 not the dark ages. Utter bulls**t of the highest order.
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Racism?
Oct 10, 2014 21:05:27 GMT
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 10, 2014 21:05:27 GMT
I'll assume you're being funny, but in case you weren't, I don't have a problem with middle aged white folks, or black ones for that matter - I find issue with the righteous indignation of white blokes who live in Britain, therefore having one of the easiest existences in the world when it comes to prejudice, defending peoples' "right" to make racist remarks because they were "only" calling someone a "Malteaser" or because we have actions in place in certain parts of society to try and address centuries of inequality against black people, women, etc etc. But you were being funny, I assume, so you didn't need that explanation... Thank god I don't come into contact with patronising,self righteous arseholes like you. It's 2014 not the dark ages. Utter bulls*** of the highest order. Any need to be abusive?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 21:22:20 GMT
Thank god I don't come into contact with patronising,self righteous arseholes like you. It's 2014 not the dark ages. Utter bulls*** of the highest order. Any need to be abusive? Any need for you to patronise and twist what people say and play God on the subject? What's with the White Man and easy life regarding prejudice? Your info is way out of date on that one as many with two eyes and ears will testify that.
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Racism?
Oct 10, 2014 21:37:01 GMT
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 10, 2014 21:37:01 GMT
Any need for you to patronise and twist what people say and play God on the subject? What's with the White Man and easy life regarding prejudice? Your info is way out of date on that one as many with two eyes and ears will testify that. So there was no need to be abusive. Not sure where I'm playing god, I'm having an opinion just like you. In the grand scheme of things, compared to people elsewhere in the world,most, not all, white people in Britain have life easier than a lot of people on other countries and in this country. Anyway, we disagree. We can bleat at each other or we can leave it at that.
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Post by zfc on Oct 10, 2014 21:40:32 GMT
i have been saying this would happen for years.... 20 years ago i was nicked in town for using the short word for pakistan..... whilst being questioned i asked what if i call someone whos welsh a ss......same... nicked the copper said. what about a scotsman...a jock....same the copper said.... and so it went on.... roll onto lee rigby getting killed , i marched from kingswood down as far as redfield, where a asian chap threatened to cut my white head off, head by at least 3 coppers who refused to do anything ..... now if they wont intervene ...why would a steward ....?? Because racism against whites doesn`t count thems the rules in modern Britain. Racism against whites is deserved according to the Liberal outraged brainwashed PC mob today as it makes up for racism against blacks that spans hundreds of years so get used to it as it isn`t going to get any better. A black bloke called me a cracker a few months back, I found it very funny as I am sure a diversity trained copper would if I was one of those sensitive types who got all upset and reported a word as a "hate crime". I wonder how the diversity trained copper would respond if the black bloke made a complaint if I had called him a w*g,c**n or bombed in the n word that black people use freely as a term of respect? I doubt my feet would touch the floor as I was marched to the cells.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 21:52:59 GMT
I must say, Mr ZFC you talk with absolutely no facts whatsoever, the only person that appears radicalised is you, who the hell have you learnt all this complete bulls**t from?
Holy s**t, i have to laugh, the great thing is nobody needs to ridicule you, you make yourself sound completely stupid all on your own. Genuinely laughing at you here, but also feel a little sorry for you
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Post by dickgherkin on Oct 10, 2014 21:57:33 GMT
I wasn't at this game but from talking to mates it sounds like it was a pissed up punter, who badly let himself down - I'm sure even he would admit it when he's sober - and gave the keeper a 2 Minute Hate. Got to pay the piper for his mistakes.
Club has messed up, in that stewards weren't on the ball enough to work out what needed to be done quickly, and do it. Someone's got to carry the can for that, now the spotlight's been put on it (1st Rule of Warehouse Work).
Hating the keeper tho, because he had the guts to call it out? Bad form in my opinion.
Everything else is politics ;0)
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