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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 19:55:04 GMT
Double post.
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Post by zfc on Oct 9, 2014 20:00:50 GMT
Im not saying you can be prosecuted for saying black mans pinch I am saying that many white people will immediately say "you are not allowed to call it a black mans pinch you have to call it a blood blister".Why they say it I have no idea but it seems to make them feel better about themselves of course these are the same people who think multiculturalism works when it is obvious it is a failed experiment by the liberal left.
Positive discrimination is rife up and down the country when it comes to joining the police, fire brigade and other tax payers services, please don`t claim it isn`t happening.
Political correctness has been the downfall of this country and regardless if it is discussed on a football messageboard or not it is an undisputed fact that political correctness has helped radical Islam flourish.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 20:01:05 GMT
You only have to see the mongs on here He's using outdated derogatory terms for people with Downs Syndrome now
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Post by zfc on Oct 9, 2014 20:02:30 GMT
You only have to see the mongs on here He's using outdated derogatory terms for people with Downs Syndrome now Oh ffs get over yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 20:09:55 GMT
Do you ever post about Rovers?
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Post by zfc on Oct 9, 2014 20:16:54 GMT
Do you have anything else to do rather than follow me around the forum insulting me?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 20:20:14 GMT
You only have to see the mongs on here He's using outdated derogatory terms for people with Downs Syndrome now Haven't you noticed it's HIS forum now.
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 9, 2014 20:52:19 GMT
Im not saying you can be prosecuted for saying black mans pinch I am saying that many white people will immediately say "you are not allowed to call it a black mans pinch you have to call it a blood blister".Why they say it I have no idea but it seems to make them feel better about themselves of course these are the same people who think multiculturalism works when it is obvious it is a failed experiment by the liberal left. Positive discrimination is rife up and down the country when it comes to joining the police, fire brigade and other tax payers services, please don`t claim it isn`t happening. Political correctness has been the downfall of this country and regardless if it is discussed on a football messageboard or not it is an undisputed fact that political correctness has helped radical Islam flourish. Many? Really? I've never heard it. My dad, who is in his sixties, uses terms like "coloured" and "half caste" and he's never been accused of racism. I think most people spot the difference between racism and someone being a bit old school, being brought up in a period of the country's history where less was made of words like that. Positive discrimination is another discussion, multiculturalism another still. I've worked in the civil service for almost ten years in various roles and most of the people I've worked with are white, born and bred in Britain to British parents. Some of them, I'd say about 2 in 10, weren't. But then 15% of the population is of an ethnic minority. The idea that Police Stations, Fire Stations and Government offices are teaming with ethnic minorities while white people are turned away with the swipe of a pen is a convenient story for the Mail, Sun and Express but it isn't true. In fact I believe I read that compared to the Asian population in the UK, the % of Asian Police officers is actually lower. Political correctness is a funny one. Clearly things like Rotherham, where for whatever reason people failed to do their jobs for fear of being labelled as racist, shows a problem in some areas. Jack Straw says it happens in Blackburn too. But we shouldn't confuse "PC gone mad" with just plain not saying things that upset people. The term "P*ki" is generally accepted to be a pretty nasty thing to say but there was a time where people who opposed it would have been called "PC". Anyway, back to the subject of the thread - we don't know the full facts yet, so we don't know what was said, but if someone has made a derogatory remark based on someone's skin colour, no matter how "jokey" it might be, loudly enough to be heard at a football match, that person might get prosecuted.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Oct 9, 2014 20:53:23 GMT
In comparison to whom? Black people? Jews? Do these qualities apply to other religions and races? Which group are they being compared with? I've found all races and religions to be a mixed bag personally. Anything else is pretty racist. Here in lies the problem. People think that being non-racist means putting the minority cultures above your own. We should stand for true equality and not this racist drivel. Imagine saying this about white people. Controversial, it does you no credit whatsoever, to put words in my mouth. I'm more than capable of speaking for myself, but if you choose to take out or put in words or imagined thoughts, well so be it. I think that if you review the whole of page 6, from my first post onwards, then you should be able to comprehend where I stand on all the points that you have raised, if you're really interested in ascertaining my true position that is. Kind regards. Dude I'm not putting words in your mouth - if you ascribe positive qualities to one group you are implicitly implying another group lack it. You can't have it both ways. You can't have light without dark, or life without death. If you're saying Muslims are trustworthy and honourable then what is that compared with? Is it down to their race that they hold these qualities, or is it their culture which promotes these superior values? Edit: just read your post as you suggested and I agree entirely. Perhaps I've been a bit picky here and jumped on you a little harshly. You clearly are a reasonable fellow. I just wanted to point this out as I feel it's relevant. It's something I feel really strongly about but I have a habit of going off half cock sometimes....
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 9, 2014 21:21:11 GMT
You only have to see the mongs on here He's using outdated derogatory terms for people with Downs Syndrome now Ah,but that's because he can! Its not illegal to say that is it? Which is something I mentioned on this thread about 2 pages ago Using derogatory terms about illness or disability are not deemed as offensive as a slur against somebody's skin colour Here's where the problem lies for me, like I said previously there are 3 "ism's that have been put on a pedastal by the powers that be, which imo shouldn't be
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Post by toteend on Oct 9, 2014 21:29:35 GMT
Dagnogo, you say the % of Asians in the population is not reflected in the % in the police.
You are of course correct. And when you look in to why that is, it's because people from their own ethnic group frown on them joining up. There have been plenty of program's on the PC BBC that bear this out.
So don't go looking for racist reasons where there are none. And no, there should be no such thing as positive discrimination. It is a contradiction in terms.
But we digress. Still nothing has been confirmed as to what was said, so no doubt, as in the case of blatant racism at the other place last season, we will be pilloried because we are Rovers.
If however it did happen and is proven, no mercy. If it is bullsh* t! then the keeper should be hounded out of the game. It would be as bad as a woman crying rape when it didn't happen. It sets the battle against the evil of it back so much. And I don't care what any judge says. If racism is in the eyes and ears of the supposed victim, there by the grace of god goes any of us if someone takes a dislike to us. How can that be justified today? Think of the dangerous power that gives to people with an agenda.
If I fall out with someone who is black and I am accused of some false accusation of racist language or whatever, presumably I am guilty straight away.
NO? Well then, why are so many on here saying that we have dealt with this incident badly, and the steward was complicit. As we stand here, nothing has been proven, but the GK has got his national publicity. He could have gone national when he has been vindicated. Until then he should stay quiet in the media until the investigation has run its course.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 9, 2014 21:30:06 GMT
Is that because an elderly gentleman from the Home Counties only seems to observe nowadays, instead of posting unpleasant and vindictive name-calling posts? I thought Cheshire was throwing out a challenge ..... It wasn't a challenge, I was hoping this thread would stick to the point without the mud slinging or going down the curve. I was obviously wrong. PS I believe I know who brizzle is aiming at. The forum section wasn't closed just because of name calling which by the way was widespread not just one individual.
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 9, 2014 21:37:52 GMT
Dagnogo, you say the % of Asians in the population is not reflected in the % in the police. You are of course correct. And when you look in to why that is, it's because people from their own ethnic group frown on them joining up. There have been plenty of program's on the PC BBC that bear this out. So don't go looking for racist reasons where there are none. And no, there should be no such thing as positive discrimination. It is a contradiction in terms. But we digress. Still nothing has been confirmed as to what was said, so no doubt, as in the case of blatant racism at the other place last season, we will be pilloried because we are Rovers. If however it did happen and is proven, no mercy. If it is bullsh* t! then the keeper should be hounded out of the game. It would be as bad as a woman crying rape when it didn't happen. It sets the battle against the evil of it back so much. And I don't care what any judge says. If racism is in the eyes and ears of the supposed victim, there by the grace of god goes any of us if someone takes a dislike to us. How can that be justified today? Think of the dangerous power that gives to people with an agenda. If I fall out with someone who is black and I am accused of some false accusation of racist language or whatever, presumably I am guilty straight away. NO? Well then, why are so many on here saying that we have dealt with this incident badly, and the steward was complicit. As we stand here, nothing has been proven, but the GK has got his national publicity. He could have gone national when he has been vindicated. Until then he should stay quiet in the media until the investigation has run its course. I wasn't looking for "racist reasons" for anything. Just stating that this idea that public services reject whites out of hand and throw jobs to non whites without merit is a lie. Like I said to ZFC, positive discrimination is another topic, this thread has spiralled away from the original topic enough. I'd love to know how I claimed that anyone was automatically guilty. I said that if someone does that, at a volume enough to be heard in a football ground, they can have no complaints. We'll see what happens with this, but so far the story is "man makes allegation". Rovers are looking into it, thank goodness, because they'd look awful if they didn't. I hope Brown made a mistake or misheard. Why he would wish to make it up is beyond me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 22:55:51 GMT
the dartford keeper was in all probability racially abused during a game at our ground,its wrong surely? some on here are just using this as a platform to spout off about immigration,political correctness etc,anything that avoids condemning the likely racial abuse of this person.
at least there having fun i guess
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Post by mehewmagic on Oct 9, 2014 23:10:05 GMT
Interesting "Things like "Malteser" ARE racist.... based on their natural skin colour". Where does that leave Keith Valle describing a bald pink-headed referee (it was cold) as wearing a pink crash helmet? what about calling a white bald person an 'egg head'. eggs are often white or pinkish, with a tinge of brown, so it would be referring to his colour, whether by accident or deliberately. would a white person consider that derogatory to him? interesting topic.
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Post by Blue Mist on Oct 10, 2014 0:08:21 GMT
No I can't see it and neither can a majority of gasheads. It's more worrying that you think racial abuse isn't or shouldn't be a criminal offence and that you liken it to some form of freedom of speech. There's a big difference between criticism and abuse, look it up. I'm astounded by the ignorance of a few on here who seem to think that an anti racist stance is only for loony liberals. The ignorant few don't even appear to understand what racism actually is. Then there are those who do know but defend it anyway. Thankfully there are many intelligent gasheads who know right from wrong and if you are one of them but haven't yet added to this thread then I suggest you stand up and be counted! Guess you're either with you or against you, and anything grey in the middle is not a correct opinion and needs to be shut down. If you excuse the pun, nothing is as black and white as you say, and ignoring a valid concern of an argument many educated, intelligent individuals make shows a rather bigoted view, in my humble opinion. That's isn't actually opinion, its based on making unqualified accusations without explaining your reasons, which ironically is exactly what you are accusing others of. So it's closer to fact than your subjective dismissal of opposing views. You immediately spring to describing other view points as ignorant, whilst sticking your fingers in your ears and refusing to understand the ideas of others and slander them as less intelligent and enlightened as you. You won't win many people over but from the sound of it, you would rather enforce than persuade, which pretty much sums up the attitude of "loony liberals" you make reference to. Wow, you say I am a bigot in your humble opinion. I don't have to explain my reasons as the evidence is in this thread. There isn't a grey area in much of what you and many others have said in defence of racism. I don't refuse to understand, i just don't understand. I have listened to the arguments and where as I respect peoples right to opinion I don't have to accept it and yes if people want to draw comparisons between race and ginger hair as being the same thing or racial abuse and political criticism on a par then yes I would say that is ignorant. You can cloak it however you like but it's still racism. I wouldnt want to enforce anything on anyone but I want gasheads to stand up and be counted because this whole thing shames you, me and BRFC, is that persuasive enough?
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Post by Admin on Oct 10, 2014 0:33:16 GMT
ADMIN:
This thread has expanded way beyond the intent of the original poster, namely to discuss remarks made to the Dartford keeper.
It has degenerated into name calling and worse.
Thread set to fall.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 1:23:47 GMT
ADMIN: This thread has expanded way beyond the intent of the original poster, namely to discuss remarks made to the Dartford keeper. It has degenerated into name calling and worse. Thread set to fall. hope it does,it shouldnt be a platform for bitter racist views of a minority of forum users,,,just discuss the case of the dartford keeper maybe?
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Oct 10, 2014 6:55:44 GMT
Difficult to decouple a racist incident from a discussion on racism and law, but point taken and observed re name calling.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 7:50:25 GMT
Except without the old mud slinging, name calling and sailing close to the legal minefield..... Is that because an elderly gentleman from the Home Counties only seems to observe nowadays, instead of posting unpleasant and vindictive name-calling posts? Couldn't be bothered to read all the same old tired arguments over racism. What I find amazing, in this day and age, is that people actually feel the need to comment on the colour of an individuals skin, as if that has some particular relevance. And then, even worse, the hilarious attempts to justify doing exactly that.
In my opinion, the underlying issue is cultural ignorance. Comments on colour are just the manifestation. And, who could doubt the level of cultural ignorance displayed by some on this and previous forums in the past.
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