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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 10, 2014 8:14:53 GMT
Dagnogo, you say the % of Asians in the population is not reflected in the % in the police. You are of course correct. And when you look in to why that is, it's because people from their own ethnic group frown on them joining up. There have been plenty of program's on the PC BBC that bear this out. So don't go looking for racist reasons where there are none. And no, there should be no such thing as positive discrimination. It is a contradiction in terms. But we digress. Still nothing has been confirmabsolutely to what was said, so no doubt, as in the case of blatant racism at the other place last season, we will be pilloried because we are Rovers. If however it did happen and is proven, no mercy. If it is bullsh* t! then the keeper should be hounded out of the game. It would be as bad as a woman crying rape when it didn't happen. It sets the battle against the evil of it back so much. And I don't care what any judge says. If racism is in the eyes and ears of the supposed victim, there by the grace of god goes any of us if someone takes a dislike to us. How can that be justified today? Think of the dangerous power that gives to people with an agenda. If I fall out with someone who is black and I am accused of some false accusation of racist language or whatever, presumably I am guilty straight away. NO? Well then, why are so many on here saying that we have dealt with this incident badly, and the steward was complicit. As we stand here, nothing has been proven, but the GK has got his national publicity. He could have gone national when he has been vindicated. Until then he should stay quiet in the media until the investigation has run its course. You are absolutely right about positive discrimination being wrong but this is actively supported by one of our biggest political parties with Labour's women only short lists. Not surprising then when discrimination is actively encouraged like that some people follow that lead in their own way. Hence Tuesdays alleged incident
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 10, 2014 8:17:24 GMT
I thought Cheshire was throwing out a challenge ..... It wasn't a challenge, I was hoping this thread would stick to the point without the mud slinging or going down the curve. I was obviously wrong. PS I believe I know who brizzle is aiming at. The forum section wasn't closed just because of name calling which by the way was widespread not just one individual. Obviously not the thread to inject some humour in to
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 10, 2014 9:00:47 GMT
Dagnogo, you say the % of Asians in the population is not reflected in the % in the police. You are of course correct. And when you look in to why that is, it's because people from their own ethnic group frown on them joining up. There have been plenty of program's on the PC BBC that bear this out. So don't go looking for racist reasons where there are none. And no, there should be no such thing as positive discrimination. It is a contradiction in terms. But we digress. Still nothing has been confirmabsolutely to what was said, so no doubt, as in the case of blatant racism at the other place last season, we will be pilloried because we are Rovers. If however it did happen and is proven, no mercy. If it is bullsh* t! then the keeper should be hounded out of the game. It would be as bad as a woman crying rape when it didn't happen. It sets the battle against the evil of it back so much. And I don't care what any judge says. If racism is in the eyes and ears of the supposed victim, there by the grace of god goes any of us if someone takes a dislike to us. How can that be justified today? Think of the dangerous power that gives to people with an agenda. If I fall out with someone who is black and I am accused of some false accusation of racist language or whatever, presumably I am guilty straight away. NO? Well then, why are so many on here saying that we have dealt with this incident badly, and the steward was complicit. As we stand here, nothing has been proven, but the GK has got his national publicity. He could have gone national when he has been vindicated. Until then he should stay quiet in the media until the investigation has run its course. You are absolutely right about positive discrimination being wrong but this is actively supported by one of our biggest political parties with Labour's women only short lists. Not surprising then when discrimination is actively encouraged like that some people follow that lead in their own way. Hence Tuesdays alleged incident "Its a fair cop, Guv. I called him that racist name because my Labour MP's a bird and I thought that made it okay".
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 10, 2014 9:35:30 GMT
It wasn't a challenge, I was hoping this thread would stick to the point without the mud slinging or going down the curve. I was obviously wrong. PS I believe I know who brizzle is aiming at. The forum section wasn't closed just because of name calling which by the way was widespread not just one individual. Obviously not the thread to inject some humour in to Sorry CGH it's the thread losing the plot that made me miss the fact it was meant as a joke......
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Post by archwaygas on Oct 10, 2014 10:12:50 GMT
I just read in the evening post that the FA are now considering sanctions against us.... The last f**king thing we need.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 10, 2014 10:31:35 GMT
You are absolutely right about positive discrimination being wrong but this is actively supported by one of our biggest political parties with Labour's women only short lists. Not surprising then when discrimination is actively encouraged like that some people follow that lead in their own way. Hence Tuesdays alleged incident "Its a fair cop, Guv. I called him that racist name because my Labour MP's a bird and I thought that made it okay". Ah pick & mix discrimination. Nothing like a bunch of hypocrites
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Oct 10, 2014 10:36:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 10:36:21 GMT
Interesting "Things like "Malteser" ARE racist.... based on their natural skin colour". Where does that leave Keith Valle describing a bald pink-headed referee (it was cold) as wearing a pink crash helmet? what about calling a white bald person an 'egg head'. eggs are often white or pinkish, with a tinge of brown, so it would be referring to his colour, whether by accident or deliberately. would a white person consider that derogatory to him? interesting topic. I find that deeply offensive, it's not nice to know a egg has more hair than me!
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 10, 2014 10:55:03 GMT
"Its a fair cop, Guv. I called him that racist name because my Labour MP's a bird and I thought that made it okay". Ah pick & mix discrimination. Nothing like a bunch of hypocrites Your idea that all-women party shortlists cause people to make racist remarks was funny.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 10, 2014 11:19:39 GMT
Ah pick & mix discrimination. Nothing like a bunch of hypocrites Your idea that all-women party shortlists cause people to make racist remarks was funny. Your choice to find discrimination funny
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 10, 2014 11:21:05 GMT
in his post he wanders off into multi-cultural society clearly not working etc,,,your saying about some types of abuse being deemed more severe,,,,,football has moved on from the 70"s and racist chants or abuse is not acceptable,if you feel other types of abuse arnt taken as seriously thats your opinion but it dosnt mean we ignore racial abuse does it? Nope. But in the 70's (and previously), racism was a massive problem at football that had to be dealt with. My point, is that a single fan in over 5,000 shouting something is blown out of proportion. I'm not saying its right, I'm not saying he shouldn't be chucked out, prosecuted or whatever. But for people saying one person shouting something means the keeper should walk off the pitch (other forum), when other vile abuse and language is used and accepted at football, is a bit crazy to me. If it was a large group/chanting/banners (like in Eastern European countries) I could understand. You know, for me the most upsetting thing is that it seems no one was prepared to have a word. It's obvious the club stewards are not up to the physicality that could ensue but the ones the club employed/ employed from sovereign security certainly have proved they are. I have grown up with many who hold little Englander views and still believe Btitannia rules the wave etc, I have found, from personal experience, that a well placed word can put a stop to it. We are very much in an era of " it's not my problem" The most upsetting thing for me is that we cannot now really differentiate between the two clubs, that pisses me off something rotten
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Post by toteend on Oct 10, 2014 11:25:36 GMT
But it is discrimination. What's the matter with the best man/woman for the job? PC has gone mad today. If you speak to people in various organisations you are asked to refer to the chair . I don't want to speak to a chair.
This country is degenerating at an ever increasing rate of knots. What happened to the old system, of insult anyone and you are liable to arrest? It's because different categories of people can use different language, that some extremists use it as an excuse to condemn others. How can Spurs fans use the word Y*D about themselves but no one else can? How bollocks is that.
I've heard black people use the N word against each other, but that is ok. Mind you I've been called a white honky at a game up North a couple of years ago. I didn't feel offended at all. Perhaps I should have pretended I was. But based on what someone posted earlier, it's not racist coz I didn't care.
Everybody should be operating under exactly the same rules as everyone else. If you insult anyone no matter what there colour you must be risking arrest. I find it sad that nationalism is given a boost because one group are saying they are discriminated against in law. Remember Nazism and the discrimination in the law. No one is better than anyone else.
I know people from different ethnic backgrounds to me at the Mem. Never had an issue with them, and get on well with them. What none of us need is the law becoming discriminatory. If the person who started this is found to have done it, ban him. If it's bollocks, ban the keeper. If either is guilty they are just as bad in their own way. Now leave it to the authorities to deal with it, with the caveat that I don't hold much faith in them after events last season that didn't happen even though they were shown in HD on Sky. Nuff said.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 10, 2014 11:28:57 GMT
blimey I knew we had some idiots on this forum, but this thread is the net to catch them Being fat and disabled and with gingers in the family, yes we get loads of negitivity, and yes its very different for attacking someone for his colour or creed (if verified of course- some fans are in the course of doing this with the club I understand) And as for 'not exactly throwing bananas on the pitch' - words fail me.I was at Eastville when that happened to an opposition player. One of our players (I think it was Keith Curle) said about that game he was so upset he threw up in the changing rooms later. So you arses who think shouting black b******, ****** monkey boy or coon only affects one opposition player its aimed at, think again. As for the game I didnt hear any widepsread racist chanting, but we've all been near odd idiot who ruins the night for 4999 people out of 5000. Indeed there was such an idiot in the main stand a few years ago, who was reported to stewards, warned by club as to his future behavior after he said it was an one off word that came out through frustration and subsequently had his season ticket revoked when the one off happened several times a game in several games thereafter Now to be controversial I really do believe everyone has a micro gram of racism within them, and if they dont I admire them (tho I do suspect many are are kidding themselves).Let me explain before you jump down my neck. The test I usually use when debating this is Q - your beautiful 18 year old daughter brings home a boyfriend for first time, and you open the door and he is a 6ft 5 heavily muscled black guy with massive chains round his neck. What do you think? And that one micro second of hesitation before saying 'why would I think anything if she wants to be with him thats fine' is the level of racism I am talking about. However its about being respectful and being able to control the devil within everyone (if people are really honest), and if you cant do that you're not welcome in any club I'm involved with. Spot on. Agree totally. It's about controlling those sometimes intrusive thoughts and acts of compulsion. I agree we all do have primal prejudice, those very few who do not, either so very lucky to attain such high level function or just have learned to control much earlier than the majority. Great post Manc
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 10, 2014 11:32:14 GMT
Your idea that all-women party shortlists cause people to make racist remarks was funny. Your choice to find discrimination funny I find your clutching at straws funny.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 10, 2014 11:44:02 GMT
Tin hat on bluebeard,some people are very outraged about this as they have been brainwashed over a number of years to be outraged about things like this.They wont be outraged about black on black knife crime or black on white racism or muslim on white racism as they have been brainwashed to see any racism against whites as acceptable and deserved. the goalkeeper said he was racially abused ie abused because of his skin colour or race,,the law and the football authorities deem that as seriously offensive as do most decent people,,, if there are other types of racism you feel arnt getting highlighted properly thats another issue as if knife crime but you dont have to be brainwashed to know that abusing someone because of race or colour aint right,,or do you believe it is ok? It's called deflection but projection and transference work very much in the same manner, as a defence mechanism
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 11:50:53 GMT
I thought Cheshire was throwing out a challenge ..... It wasn't a challenge, I was hoping this thread would stick to the point without the mud slinging or going down the curve. I was obviously wrong. PS I believe I know who brizzle is aiming at. The forum section wasn't closed just because of name calling which by the way was widespread not just one individual.About as subtle as a chainsaw, Tel Good to see this thread falling, by the way. I do miss the old AF.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 10, 2014 12:01:07 GMT
Oh dear, I suppose it's indicative of my age and background. I suppose that I can expect the midnight knock, eh? The thought Police will round you up. But it just goes to show how expressions which were perfectly acceptable became offensive somehow. I can't see what's wrong with half caste - means exactly the same as mixed race! The term was used by slavers who forced themselves into the slaves to "breed" from them as many animal breeders do. Quater, half, calico and octaroon were the types they " bred" for varying roles. Sorry if this is patronising you as its not meant that way.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 10, 2014 12:07:45 GMT
Nope. But in the 70's (and previously), racism was a massive problem at football that had to be dealt with. My point, is that a single fan in over 5,000 shouting something is blown out of proportion. I'm not saying its right, I'm not saying he shouldn't be chucked out, prosecuted or whatever. But for people saying one person shouting something means the keeper should walk off the pitch (other forum), when other vile abuse and language is used and accepted at football, is a bit crazy to me. If it was a large group/chanting/banners (like in Eastern European countries) I could understand. You know, for me the most upsetting thing is that it seems no one was prepared to have a word. It's obvious the club stewards are not up to the physicality that could ensue but the ones the club employed/ employed from sovereign security certainly have proved they are. I have grown up with many who hold little Englander views and still believe Btitannia rules the wave etc, I have found, from personal experience, that a well placed word can put a stop to it. We are very much in an era of " it's not my problem" The most upsetting thing for me is that we cannot now really differentiate between the two clubs, that pisses me off something rotten Probably as the biggest stewards were in the away end very physically ejecting 3 away fans
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Oct 10, 2014 12:08:50 GMT
The largest slave trade of all time was run by the ottoman empire, stealing women from the caucuses to be sex slaves. Still going on today, visit the middle east or turkey and it's alive and well.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 10, 2014 12:08:54 GMT
You know, for me the most upsetting thing is that it seems no one was prepared to have a word. It's obvious the club stewards are not up to the physicality that could ensue but the ones the club employed/ employed from sovereign security certainly have proved they are. I have grown up with many who hold little Englander views and still believe Btitannia rules the wave etc, I have found, from personal experience, that a well placed word can put a stop to it. We are very much in an era of " it's not my problem" The most upsetting thing for me is that we cannot now really differentiate between the two clubs, that pisses me off something rotten Probably as the biggest stewards were in the away end very physically ejecting 3 away fans Yes, off how that has escaped any attention eh.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 10, 2014 12:11:18 GMT
The largest slave trade of all time was run by the ottoman empire, stealing women from the caucuses to be sex slaves. Still going on today, visit the middle east or turkey and it's alive and well. Sadly true. Hard to believe thst it still goes on. I have to be careful as I am an empath by nature, if I start o allow myself to dwell on this stuff too much, I can get badly depressed. What a ducked up world we live in mate
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