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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 17:10:18 GMT
One view of this thread and a few of the opinions written by a neutral will lead them to only one conclusion - sadly,we have a long way to go to eradicate the racism issues at our club. How very, very sad. I guess it depends how intelligent that neutral is. I think its quite sad for you to say that our club has racism issues just because one twat in a crowd of over 5,000 has called an opposition player a malteser. Nobody is condoning it but some are wondering whether the keeper over reacted. People have also gone on to question whether 'banter' which makes reference to race is any more unacceptable than other types of abuse. That doesn't make them racists and it doesn't mean we have racism issues. Thank you for confirming my thoughts...keep digging!
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Post by brizzle on Oct 9, 2014 17:29:00 GMT
And don't even mention what the Tottenham Hotspur Football Club supporters nickname, and call themselves. Why they even chant it about themselves during games, even televised games. Themselves mind you, how dare they?
Does have anyone have a view on whether this can be classified as racist, or just religious bigotry? Mark my words, they'll have to be stopped with the full force of all that is lawful . . . pronto!
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Post by zfc on Oct 9, 2014 17:31:45 GMT
In Sweden which is fast becoming an Islamic state it is against the law to speak against Swedens immigration policy.
In this country it is difficult to talk about immigration as the usual wishy washy types like fingers o tool,mesa boogie, Dinsdale and 1973 and the like will immediately play the well worn out race card and label people who disagree with them racists.
Pathetic but thats what this country has come to.I am sure fingers and chewbacca will have little sex wees when Islam really starts to dominate as they hate white people with a passion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 17:33:02 GMT
I see Ron Atkinson is making a comeback.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 9, 2014 17:44:18 GMT
In Sweden which is fast becoming an Islamic state it is against the law to speak against Swedens immigration policy. In this country it is difficult to talk about immigration as the usual wishy washy types like fingers o tool,mesa boogie, Dinsdale and 1973 and the like will immediately play the well worn out race card and label people who disagree with them racists. Pathetic but thats what this country has come to.I am sure fingers and chewbacca will have little sex wees when Islam really starts to dominate as they hate white people with a passion.I'd have to disagree with that statement, based on a fairly wide knowledge of people of the Islamic faith. In my experience I have found all Muslims, without exception to be helpful courteous, honest and reliable. Invariably they have an excellent sense of humour, and in general terms I have no problems mixing with people of the Islamic faith. I can't possibly know what prompted you to make such a sweeping statement, but I think that it's a slightly ridiculous thing to say. It's a bit like saying that all Germans were members of the Nazi Party, when clearly they were not.
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Post by bluebeard on Oct 9, 2014 17:45:26 GMT
It's worrying that racial abuse is a criminal offense. This isn't because it's good, acceptable or whatever...because it crosses a line as to what the law covers. Death threats, libel etc are either linked to incorrect facts or potential damage to life or property. Calling someone a name doesn't do either, and I am s*** scared this application of law will creep and creep until you can't criticise authorities, the powerful etc. Once this can of worms opens, who is to say that other uses of speech can't be criminalised....I think this is the point many miss when I criticise legal action for racism, and I hope others can see this also. No I can't see it and neither can a majority of gasheads. It's more worrying that you think racial abuse isn't or shouldn't be a criminal offence and that you liken it to some form of freedom of speech. There's a big difference between criticism and abuse, look it up. I'm astounded by the ignorance of a few on here who seem to think that an anti racist stance is only for loony liberals. The ignorant few don't even appear to understand what racism actually is. Then there are those who do know but defend it anyway. Thankfully there are many intelligent gasheads who know right from wrong and if you are one of them but haven't yet added to this thread then I suggest you stand up and be counted! I don't think intelligence has anything to do with it. You are either a. overtly racist b. passive but reactive to personal experiences or c. rabidly opposed to anything you perceive to be racist. Not much you can do with a. albeit I genuinely believe there are fewer with every generation. I believe c. is well intentioned but these people become extremely agitated when others dont share their 'black and white' view of what constitutes racism. Given their 'if you don't understand, you must be thick or racist or both' approach to life they are by far the most vocal. However, the silent majority probably falls under b. They may be susceptible to stereotyping in the event of a negative personal experience but generally these people will judge individuals as individuals and take as they find. With the demise of category a. proper racists, these people have become a target for c. due to their infuriating habit of asking questions about the definition of racism and the comparable impact of individual incidents. Its only my opinion, but I would hazard a guess that on average, a category b. has more brain cells than either of the other two. It's neither ignorant or unintelligent to ask questions or try to apply context.
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Post by zfc on Oct 9, 2014 17:46:50 GMT
But the nazis still dominated Germany and Europe even though the majority of Germans were not nazis.
The majority of moderate muslims are as dangerous as the radicals as we see in all the muslim countries where human rights mean nothing.
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Post by Gwengers on Oct 9, 2014 18:02:52 GMT
The fact is the club has acted promptly, apologised, promised to ban the person responsible if he is identifiable - so I am not the least bit annoyed with the club - but mightily p**sed off the idiot who has brought our name into disrepute again. This is a fair point. I am more frustrated that the club didn't deal with it there and then. Either there was an offense committed, or we should have our facts together and be able to offer a more measured response by now. In the absence of any clarity - the club did the right thing in offering an unreserved apology pre-emptively. I am first of all sad and disappointed the player feels this way - regardless of if it happened or was a misunderstanding. It is even more disappointing as the keeper appeared to be sharing friendly banter with the fans behind the goal for the first part of the second half.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 9, 2014 18:03:02 GMT
Except without the old mud slinging, name calling and sailing close to the legal minefield..... Is that because an elderly gentleman from the Home Counties only seems to observe nowadays, instead of posting unpleasant and vindictive name-calling posts? I thought Cheshire was throwing out a challenge .....
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Post by bluebeard on Oct 9, 2014 18:06:38 GMT
I guess it depends how intelligent that neutral is. I think its quite sad for you to say that our club has racism issues just because one twat in a crowd of over 5,000 has called an opposition player a malteser. Nobody is condoning it but some are wondering whether the keeper over reacted. People have also gone on to question whether 'banter' which makes reference to race is any more unacceptable than other types of abuse. That doesn't make them racists and it doesn't mean we have racism issues. Thank you for confirming my thoughts...keep digging! Cat b. at its worst.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Oct 9, 2014 18:22:39 GMT
In Sweden which is fast becoming an Islamic state it is against the law to speak against Swedens immigration policy. In this country it is difficult to talk about immigration as the usual wishy washy types like fingers o tool,mesa boogie, Dinsdale and 1973 and the like will immediately play the well worn out race card and label people who disagree with them racists. Pathetic but thats what this country has come to.I am sure fingers and chewbacca will have little sex wees when Islam really starts to dominate as they hate white people with a passion.I'd have to disagree with that statement, based on a fairly wide knowledge of people of the Islamic faith. In my experience I have found all Muslims, without exception to be helpful courteous, honest and reliable. Invariably they have an excellent sense of humour, and in general terms I have no problems mixing with people of the Islamic faith. I can't possibly know what prompted you to make such a sweeping statement, but I think that it's a slightly ridiculous thing to say. It's a bit like saying that all Germans were members of the Nazi Party, when clearly they were not. In comparison to whom? Black people? Jews? Do these qualities apply to other religions and races? Which group are they being compared with? I've found all races and religions to be a mixed bag personally. Anything else is pretty racist. Here in lies the problem. People think that being non-racist means putting the minority cultures above your own. We should stand for true equality and not this racist drivel. Imagine saying this about white Christian people.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 9, 2014 18:36:15 GMT
I'd have to disagree with that statement, based on a fairly wide knowledge of people of the Islamic faith. In my experience I have found all Muslims, without exception to be helpful courteous, honest and reliable. Invariably they have an excellent sense of humour, and in general terms I have no problems mixing with people of the Islamic faith. I can't possibly know what prompted you to make such a sweeping statement, but I think that it's a slightly ridiculous thing to say. It's a bit like saying that all Germans were members of the Nazi Party, when clearly they were not. In comparison to whom? Black people? Jews? Do these qualities apply to other religions and races? Which group are they being compared with? I've found all races and religions to be a mixed bag personally. Anything else is pretty racist. Here in lies the problem. People think that being non-racist means putting the minority cultures above your own. We should stand for true equality and not this racist drivel. Imagine saying this about white people. Controversial, it does you no credit whatsoever, to put words in my mouth. I'm more than capable of speaking for myself, but if you choose to take out or put in words or imagined thoughts, well so be it. I think that if you review the whole of page 6, from my first post onwards, then you should be able to comprehend where I stand on all the points that you have raised, if you're really interested in ascertaining my true position that is. Kind regards.
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 9, 2014 19:10:55 GMT
Things like "Malteser" ARE racist. That's not me being a white guy who sticks his nose in. If you're making a remark about how someone looks, and that comparison is based on their natural skin colour, how can it not be?
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Post by dido on Oct 9, 2014 19:23:41 GMT
Interesting "Things like "Malteser" ARE racist.... based on their natural skin colour". Where does that leave Keith Valle describing a bald pink-headed referee (it was cold) as wearing a pink crash helmet?
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 9, 2014 19:33:13 GMT
Interesting "Things like "Malteser" ARE racist.... based on their natural skin colour". Where does that leave Keith Valle describing a bald pink-headed referee (it was cold) as wearing a pink crash helmet? You cannot think that's the same surely. White people who go pink in the cold aren't a race on their own, are they?
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Post by tuckbox on Oct 9, 2014 19:33:44 GMT
I'd have to disagree with that statement, based on a fairly wide knowledge of people of the Islamic faith. In my experience I have found all Muslims, without exception to be helpful courteous, honest and reliable. Invariably they have an excellent sense of humour, and in general terms I have no problems mixing with people of the Islamic faith. I can't possibly know what prompted you to make such a sweeping statement, but I think that it's a slightly ridiculous thing to say. It's a bit like saying that all Germans were members of the Nazi Party, when clearly they were not. In comparison to whom? Black people? Jews? Do these qualities apply to other religions and races? Which group are they being compared with? I've found all races and religions to be a mixed bag personally. Anything else is pretty racist. Here in lies the problem. People think that being non-racist means putting the minority cultures above your own. We should stand for true equality and not this racist drivel. Imagine saying this about white Christian people. Agreed. Tossers come in all colours.
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Post by zfc on Oct 9, 2014 19:36:39 GMT
In comparison to whom? Black people? Jews? Do these qualities apply to other religions and races? Which group are they being compared with? I've found all races and religions to be a mixed bag personally. Anything else is pretty racist. Here in lies the problem. People think that being non-racist means putting the minority cultures above your own. We should stand for true equality and not this racist drivel. Imagine saying this about white people. Controversial, it does you no credit whatsoever, to put words in my mouth. I'm more than capable of speaking for myself, but if you choose to take out or put in words or imagined thoughts, well so be it. I think that if you review the whole of page 6, from my first post onwards, then you should be able to comprehend where I stand on all the points that you have raised, if you're really interested in ascertaining my true position that is. Kind regards. Brizzle you have learned that you have to be careful what you say as you have already been told that half caste is now considered to be offensive.Its not offensive to people who happen to be mixed race but offensive to white people who feel they have to be offended on their behalf as it makes them feel better about themselves. You really have to be careful what you say nowadays, a friend of mine was reprimanded by a white woman for describing how he got his black mans pinch on his finger (he wasn`t pinched by a black man).The police are pie hot on racist crimes today and he was worried that he would be investigated by a copper who has been on some diversity course at great expense to the tax payer. You only have to see the mongs on here jumping over each other to claim the moral high ground. Pathetic but not in the slightest bit surprising as political correctness has been the fuel that has allowed radical Islam to flourish in this country and these same people are too stupid to see it as they are too busy trying to find racism where it doesn`t exist. One day their house might be burning down and the only firefighters available will be useless people of various ethnics who were picked to fill quotas rather than picked on their ability to do the job.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 19:40:09 GMT
Interesting "Things like "Malteser" ARE racist.... based on their natural skin colour". Where does that leave Keith Valle describing a bald pink-headed referee (it was cold) as wearing a pink crash helmet? Surely you know that has no bearing as he was referring to a white mans colour of skin. It doesnt count if you are white as,apparently in racial circles,white is not a colour. Many have said in the past that white people cannot be racially abused!! have you ever heard such s**te? The `Dark` ages have a lot to answer for as we are paying for it now...big time!!
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 9, 2014 19:45:09 GMT
Stop reading the papers, Shane. I know mixed race people who are offended by the term "half-caste" and I know some who aren't. Firefighters aren't turned down for jobs because they're white. If you think people get prosecuted for saying "black man's pinch", then.....actually I can't finish that sentence because surely you don't think that, you're a bright bloke. Maybe you like the reaction you get, I don't know, but those kind of opinions are for those whose intellect is far below what yours seems to be.
Discussions about "creeping Sharia" aren't for a football messageboard really, especially not one that got rid of its' current affairs section because people couldn't discuss things with civility. But "PC gone mad", "you can't say Baa Baa Black Sheep", and so on, are the things I expect of mobs of morons like the EDL and Britain First.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 19:54:51 GMT
It just gets worst. The age of reality has gone forever when people condone the earasing of Nusery Rhymes ffs.
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