dagnogo
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Post by dagnogo on Sept 16, 2014 21:29:14 GMT
I don't think anyone is unhappy at any attempts to help the club.
It's more that instead of an open meeting with fans, or SC members, or even BRISA members, these board members go for a secret drink with people who appear to have hand-picked themselves as those who should represent the whole fanbase.
Bearing in mind that one of BRISA's members now cannot commit the time due to genuine reasons, I find the whole "if you don't like it, run it yourself" argument to be a bit pathetic, frankly. Also, the argument that people who dare question this group have their heads up their arises is downright rude.
I don't know any of the 6 personally at all and have no axe to grind, I'm sure they are well intentioned. But really this shouldn't have come to light until they had something to say to everyone - this whole "shut up and wait until we've decided when you can know stuff" thing stinks, it reminds me of the board.
Obviously we all wish anyone blessed with the time to try and bring the club back to its former position all the best, but transparency is key - cosy little meetings with board members and unelected fans where people are invited and disinvited because they might not play nice isn't really transparency.
Oh, and the idea that Rick is a "table beater" would probably make him laugh as much as it made me laugh.
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Bridgeman
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 16, 2014 23:49:55 GMT
Spot on my friend, BRISA was set up to be led by members and run by members , we have 300 members and just 1 or local people willing to put effort in rather than just sign up, there has been great work by people like gassed up who have done this depsite living way out in tghe sticks and also admin help from afar a field as New Zealand and a few others who live away from Bristol but its hands on local help that is required and NOW, if nobody comes forward in the next 7- 10 days then BRISA will be closed down and will Fold. The first week BRISA was set up I sent a PM offering my services, be they administrative, operational or intellectual and received no response or acknowledgement so what do you expect? LJG....the problem has been there has been no one to answer your PM's, as I am led to understand the person whose brain child this is has been unable to be involved virtually since it got started for very personal reasons so it is unfair to be critical of Lockleazer. I don't live in Bristol but have supported from afar, it is a great shame that BRISA may have to fold but if there are insufficient people with enough time to run it and without doubt if it is to run properly it needs both then it may well suffer an early demise. It's very easy to be critical of people who have given up their own personal time and have stepped forward because of their love and concern for the club. At least they've tried, in my case I don't regret that I've travelled quite a few miles to attend the 'Wellie' meetings and the first BRISA meeting they have arranged to at least show them some respect and support, rather than moan on endlessly that 'someone' ought to do something. I'm glad I showed and offered my support, it appears there isn't enough interest to maintain and continue what in my opinion was a worthwhile organisation that at least had produced some objectives to attain. It would appear to be like the Bristol Brabazon airliner, it looked good and had the right parts but never got the level of support it required and consequently never fulfilled its potential.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 7:27:47 GMT
I don't think anyone is unhappy at any attempts to help the club. It's more that instead of an open meeting with fans, or SC members, or even BRISA members, these board members go for a secret drink with people who appear to have hand-picked themselves as those who should represent the whole fanbase. Bearing in mind that one of BRISA's members now cannot commit the time due to genuine reasons, I find the whole "if you don't like it, run it yourself" argument to be a bit pathetic, frankly. Also, the argument that people who dare question this group have their heads up their arises is downright rude. I don't know any of the 6 personally at all and have no axe to grind, I'm sure they are well intentioned. But really this shouldn't have come to light until they had something to say to everyone - this whole "shut up and wait until we've decided when you can know stuff" thing stinks, it reminds me of the board. Obviously we all wish anyone blessed with the time to try and bring the club back to its former position all the best, but transparency is key - cosy little meetings with board members and unelected fans where people are invited and disinvited because they might not play nice isn't really transparency. Oh, and the idea that Rick is a "table beater" would probably make him laugh as much as it made me laugh. Agreed. Sometimes i think your posts are a tad harsh , but i think this post is a very good assessment and well put.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 7:34:41 GMT
Manc Gas and Eastvilleern - spot on. It's about open, honest communication (large - Manc, intimate - Eastvilleern) from the top downwards. People are trying to undermine and over-complicate this. Jelf would communicate so much better than Higgs. He has had good training from his mate Pantsdown
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lockleazer
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Post by lockleazer on Sept 22, 2014 7:02:16 GMT
BRISA
Just wanted to inform people on here that i have effectivley decided to step away from the running of BRISA, I have given up a lot of time over the last six months to do work for BRISA but sadly feel the fan base and support is not there for an Independent supporters club and certianly not the required amount of fans willing to stand up and help run the organisation, its a shame as i think the general fanbase and the club would benefit from a truly independent voice but it needs support and if thats not forthcoming i think myself and others have to respect that BRISA is not something that is really wanted by the majority of the supporters of the club . I orignally had no plan to get involved in BRISA and kind of stepped in due to circumstances involving another of the organisers having a personal issue that meant they couldnt commit the time, , i have given it a go but the previously mentioned things and the fact i have a young family to look after as well as the wife setting up her own business and me having 2 jobs on the go i cant commit the time needed to BRISA that it needs to have any chance of moving forward, it needs massive promotion and a new influx of members to take the membership from the 300 odd it has now to nearer 1000, for that it needs a team of 8- 10 people backing it , working hard to promote the organisation and bring ideas to the table , over the last 4 months its been just 2 of us fighting a losing battle. it is up to Richard and Ted to decide if they wish to continue the fight and i will certianly remain a member and offer support whilst it is still running but no longer wish to remain a face and voice of BRISA as i just cant commit to something that in its current guise doesnt really have a future ,. May i just say thanks to those that attended the meeting and that signed up, in a strange way i think we (thankfully) that a fairly good start to the season has meant things have calmed and people are concentrating on just the football and if thats the case long may it continue. Thanks again to those that helped and good luck to Rich and Ted should they choose to continue with BRISA
Cheers UTG Tom
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Post by richardhannay on Sept 22, 2014 8:25:30 GMT
Thanks for all your hard work Tom. Regards. Rod.
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 22, 2014 10:23:00 GMT
Thanks for all your efforts Tom.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 13:46:55 GMT
Well done Tom, sorry it didn't work out. I think BRISA has been a notable experiment, we dropped to non league there were a thousand critical posts and lots of hot air, yet next to no-one backed the groups trying to give it a go at making a difference.
That's not a criticism it's a plain fact, apathy is still the biggest problem we have.
Rich , are you continuing, can you tell us what happens now?
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dinsdale
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Post by dinsdale on Sept 22, 2014 15:40:21 GMT
Do you think Before you go you or one of the others could finally post the promised info from the secret meeting?
Thanks for all your hard work, its a shame you guys didnt see eye to eye with the wellie lot as may have stood more of a chance then.
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Bridgeman
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 22, 2014 20:32:38 GMT
Do you think Before you go you or one of the others could finally post the promised info from the secret meeting? Thanks for all your hard work, its a shame you guys didnt see eye to eye with the wellie lot as may have stood more of a chance then. Tom (Lockleazer) has already produced a precis of what was discussed, it wasn't really a 'secret meeting' either but in fact a prearranged meeting that took rather longer than anticipated to organise. At the end of the last Q&A forum held at the Mem, Mr Jelf agreed to meet with the organiser's of the Wellie group at a later date as their submitted questions had not been included for the evening. All this information was relayed in subsequent posts following the Q&A forum but I appreciate not everyone has the time to read everything that is posted on this forum. It's been a thankless task at times for those who have freely given up their time to enable others who were angry and frustated following the relegation to express their views. There was very little disagreement between the two groups, just a difference in process. The Wellie group was born out of real desire to find out what had really been the cause of the relegation, how much it was going to cost us, what the immediate plans were for the future and wanted better communication from the club with the fans but there was no intention to organise a permanent organisation. BRISA sought to give fans a longer term say in challenging how the club was run, I would welcome and support its continuance although of necessity from a distance. An enormous amount of thanks must go to Tom and 2 others for trying to continue this but as it has been said it needs a core group of individuals who are willing to freely give of their personal time to recruit members and to organise the running of the organisation and its members. I've no idea what happens next........
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Igitur
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Post by Igitur on Sept 26, 2014 7:22:16 GMT
This has fallen off the 'front page' so I've brought it back.
Did we ever get a summary of the discussions in the Welly?
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Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 26, 2014 8:01:31 GMT
Do you think Before you go you or one of the others could finally post the promised info from the secret meeting? Thanks for all your hard work, its a shame you guys didnt see eye to eye with the wellie lot as may have stood more of a chance then. Tom (Lockleazer) has already produced a precis of what was discussed, it wasn't really a 'secret meeting' either but in fact a prearranged meeting that took rather longer than anticipated to organise. Bridgeman Sorry to be a pain but would you be able to copy and paste Tom's precis or point us in the right direction please? Many thanks Cheshire
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Bridgeman
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 26, 2014 15:33:05 GMT
Tom (Lockleazer) has already produced a precis of what was discussed, it wasn't really a 'secret meeting' either but in fact a prearranged meeting that took rather longer than anticipated to organise. Bridgeman Sorry to be a pain but would you be able to copy and paste Tom's precis or point us in the right direction please? Many thanks Cheshire Hi CG, It's on page 3 of this thread under Lockleazer's name dated Sep 13, 2014 at 7:16pm
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Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 26, 2014 15:49:45 GMT
Bridgeman Sorry to be a pain but would you be able to copy and paste Tom's precis or point us in the right direction please? Many thanks Cheshire Hi CG, It's on page 3 of this thread under Lockleazer's name dated Sep 13, 2014 at 7:16pm Many thanks Bridgeman
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