dagnogo
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Post by dagnogo on Sept 12, 2014 22:39:40 GMT
Inviting then un-inviting people. Sounds like a kids' birthday party when they fall out with their classmates.
So Chris and Ed only want to discuss things with a select few...seems as transparent as meetings where only pre approved questions are answered.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 23:04:51 GMT
Inviting then un-inviting people. Sounds like a kids' birthday party when they fall out with their classmates. So Chris and Ed only want to discuss things with a select few...seems as transparent as meetings where only pre approved questions are answered. To be fair, we are being told that the 2 directors who attended this secret meeting are prepared to attend further public meetings. We should wait and see if those meetings happen and what format they take before being critical of that. But the 'un-inviting' of someone is very strange. We await Marc's reply on that subject. As for BSS or Masters attending, the fact that they didn't just about sums them both up. But Brian will still win the upcoming election with a landslide majority. On that subject, Rod has been very quiet recently, has he withdrawn from the ballot?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 2:37:44 GMT
I have no idea who Mark or anyone else is who met these two directors to discuss, whatever. But this has always been the way the club, or should I say the BoD operates, isolate and divide & rule whenever the noise gets a bit loud. No need to attack anyone really, but it is important to see it for what it is, meaningless.
Whats also a bit laughable is that in a situation like that, the BoD meeting self appointed fans, its frankly amazing that the two directors who are (cough) supposedly on the board to represent the fans viewpoint are not there and who actually should be at the forefront of any such initiative. It speaks volumes of those two individuals, Masters and Bss, does it not. I see, from the post by gasincider on gaschat, that the SC are indignant, which is hugely ironic. Ironic given their role the last time any real noise emerged from the fans at BRFC and their general complete inertia. Hard to believe that they own shares paid for by £1,000,000 of other peoples money and that they are clueless in how to manage that, but that was always the case. Personally I do know Rick and not surprised at all that he took the stance he has, in fact I admire him for doing so. Tillys Thighs on gaschat is dead right about Kevin Spencer as an individual (and yes I know him to) but the misconception here is that the issue that arose around him is about him only. Its not. The issue is about the BoD banning a fan, any fan, for being openly critical over the way they operate. Extrapolating this issue out the supine reaction to this from the supposed "fans reps" Masters and Bss is unusual given their role, and then staggering when BSS openly admits he voted for the ban based upon the arguments made at a board meeting which he refuses to disclose, despite his role as our representative.
And the reaction from the SC committee to whom BSS and Masters are supposedly reporting back to on board decisions etc(Stop laughing at the back)? Nothing, dead from the neck up.
Finally, and just my viewpoint, I am not interested in board "splits" etc, if any one of them is unhappy, that unhappy, at the way the BoD are managing the club then if they had an ounce of integrity they would resign, especially BSS and Masters. But they have not, because they do not.
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dinsdale
Andy Rammell
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Post by dinsdale on Sept 13, 2014 7:36:21 GMT
Dear Mark, Bernard, Richard and Tom. Please can you post the list of questions created from the welly group meeting again with the answers given by Ed and Chris at your little meeting you held on our behalf ?
Thanks awfully
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Post by bemmygas on Sept 13, 2014 8:11:38 GMT
I agree with Dinsdale,lot if hot air ,but what actually was said,if nothing what's the point of the meeting,if yes put it on here or have the 2 groups been sucking up to the people they were set up to butt heads with. ed and Chris are the best of a bad bunch,but if you obviously have more affinity with them than your members,maybe you are not the right people to represent them.(not a member of any group).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 8:28:50 GMT
I agree with Dinsdale,lot if hot air ,but what actually was said,if nothing what's the point of the meeting,if yes put it on here or have the 2 groups been sucking up to the people they were set up to butt heads with. ed and Chris are the best of a bad bunch,but if you obviously have more affinity with them than your members,maybe you are not the right people to represent them.(not a member of any group). Harsh....but a worthy question
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Igitur
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Post by Igitur on Sept 13, 2014 8:58:33 GMT
Gosh this is like watching a fan dance, you get the odd tasty bit but not the whole picture.
For those who do not know who the Welly 3 are, they would do had they attended the meetings. (JTS is surely well known in Gashead circles.)
Time is dragging on, and to wait until some time in October for another group meeting is far too late. NH has promised another Q&A, it may come before the 'Welly' one and take the wind out of the sails.
(The two fans'/SC directors would have needed to have been invited to have been at the meeting, as I see it the issue was with the Welly 3's questions at the Q&A being ignored.)
One thing is clear the people who attended the Welly meetings do not constitute an organisation/body/institution/club etc. They were a bunch of frustrated and disillusioned, but loyal supporters meeting in a beer garden wanting to air grievances and trying to move the club on.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Sept 13, 2014 9:01:31 GMT
Mark & Co well done for trying to instigate dialogue with the directors (it's important that the dialogue is with the directors that make the decisions). Unfortunately the same old faces who only now sit behind their computers are already trying to sabotage your efforts, quite pathetic really. Keep up what your doing & ignore the 'been there done that' brigade they'll no longer solve any problems this club has.
Quite ironic that people are criticising you for the fans directors not being there when I bet none of them have shown any interest in voting in the upcoming election. Laughable isn't it.
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Post by bemmygas on Sept 13, 2014 9:48:27 GMT
Mark & Co well done for trying to instigate dialogue with the directors (it's important that the dialogue is with the directors that make the decisions). Unfortunately the same old faces who only now sit behind their computers are already trying to sabotage your efforts, quite pathetic really. Keep up what your doing & ignore the 'been there done that' brigade they'll no longer solve any problems this club has. Quite ironic that people are criticising you for the fans directors not being there when I bet none of them have shown any interest in voting in the upcoming election. Laughable isn't it. Is this directed at me?. a few people on here know me on here and I have no inside knowledge of the club anymore,but when I did I shared my info with you all,(mostly on other site)we may of even lost a couple of players because of it.but still gave everyone the info I'd been given.I'm not sabotaging anything just would like answers like everyone else,if you post that you've had "friendly" meetings with directors then at least let people know what was said or don't have them at all.you all criticize the 2 fans directors for silence,but you lot are no different.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Sept 13, 2014 10:14:58 GMT
Mark & Co well done for trying to instigate dialogue with the directors (it's important that the dialogue is with the directors that make the decisions). Unfortunately the same old faces who only now sit behind their computers are already trying to sabotage your efforts, quite pathetic really. Keep up what your doing & ignore the 'been there done that' brigade they'll no longer solve any problems this club has. Quite ironic that people are criticising you for the fans directors not being there when I bet none of them have shown any interest in voting in the upcoming election. Laughable isn't it. Is this directed at me?. a few people on here know me on here and I have no inside knowledge of the club anymore,but when I did I shared my info with you all,(mostly on other site)we may of even lost a couple of players because of it.but still gave everyone the info I'd been given.I'm not sabotaging anything just would like answers like everyone else,if you post that you've had "friendly" meetings with directors then at least let people know what was said or don't have them at all.you all criticize the 2 fans directors for silence,but you lot are no different. Not particularly there are plenty on here having a go at Mark & Co
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 13, 2014 11:25:14 GMT
Not sure why KM or BSS are coming in for some criticism for not attending the meeting, as from the comments made on the other forum by BSS it looks like they were as much in the dark about the meeting as the rest of us.
I wonder if even NH was aware the meeting was taking place?
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Post by gassedup on Sept 13, 2014 11:26:41 GMT
WOW the intolerance and stupidity of some people.
Whilst not announced it was not a secret meeting; we were six blokes sat in the Wellington near the main door.
Mark has made it clear he will provide details and I am forming a report for BRISA members.
We are four ordinary people with jobs and families. The meeting was Thursday night. Out of respect we did not continually make notes or record the conversations. We are corresponding with each other and I'm very sorry but it will take a bit of time to ensure we agree with what was said. If you think you have more commitment than we do come on board and help. If not shut up and wait.
We were fairly received.
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Post by manchestergas on Sept 13, 2014 11:33:17 GMT
The reaction of Gasinsider on the other forum is hilarious. How can six bolkes having a drink cause so much angst.
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dinsdale
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Post by dinsdale on Sept 13, 2014 11:50:08 GMT
WOW the intolerance and stupidity of some people. Whilst not announced it was not a secret meeting; we were six blokes sat in the Wellington near the main door. Mark has made it clear he will provide details and I am forming a report for BRISA members. We are four ordinary people with jobs and families. The meeting was Thursday night. Out of respect we did not continually make notes or record the conversations. We are corresponding with each other and I'm very sorry but it will take a bit of time to ensure we agree with what was said. If you think you have more commitment than we do come on board and help. If not shut up and wait. We were fairly received. The secrecy is the issue both over individuals involved links with the club and over this meeting. It causes concern as discussed. It was out of order to uninvite Rick just because he wanted to ask a question you guys didnt want. The likes of him and John M are an asset. If everyone had been open about links of individuals to the club and the fact this meeting was happening you would be getting congratulated not criticised.
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dinsdale
Andy Rammell
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Post by dinsdale on Sept 13, 2014 11:51:42 GMT
If you were not seen i doubt you would ever have told us
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gassedup
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Post by gassedup on Sept 13, 2014 12:09:49 GMT
If you were not seen i doubt you would ever have told us I thought better of you than that comment.
Why on earth would we not have? The only advantage to not being seen would be that the short period between the announcement and the report would have avoided the daft comments. If we are going to make this work we have to be sensible and accurate in our responses.
Note made that for next time that we do keep it secret and at a venue where we will not be seen. We can then avoid people getting upset over nothing.
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dinsdale
Andy Rammell
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Post by dinsdale on Sept 13, 2014 12:20:41 GMT
Or tell the people you claim to represent you are having a Meeting, what its about and that you are keeping it small for reasons mentioned. Censoring the questions and not telling anyone is not the way to go imo
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 12:21:24 GMT
If you were not seen i doubt you would ever have told us I thought better of you than that comment.
Why on earth would we not have? The only advantage to not being seen would be that the short period between the announcement and the report would have avoided the daft comments. If we are going to make this work we have to be sensible and accurate in our responses.
Note made that for next time that we do keep it secret and at a venue where we will not be seen. We can then avoid people getting upset over nothing.
Why would you need to keep it secret? Just say that you and jim and john?? Are having a meeting with certain board members to discuss xy and z. This is what your members? Can't understand. Myself, I don't like CARROTS ;)But can see why your meeting was done this way.
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Post by rovers2 on Sept 13, 2014 12:26:08 GMT
One Question ?? Why all the secrecy ?? it will only cause more issues, people will start to believe there is a hidden agenda Is this the same hidden agenda than the previous hidden agenda or a different hidden agenda?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 12:27:49 GMT
If you were not seen i doubt you would ever have told us It makes no difference, they haven't even got proper notes to record what was said. Then you have someone who was there representing one of the supporters' groups, accusing posters on this thread of ''intolerance and stupidity'', he then tells us all to ''shut up and wait'' I'm not surprised that only 20 people attended their meeting if they think that's a normal way to communicate.
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