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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 12:31:24 GMT
If you were not seen i doubt you would ever have told us It makes no difference, they haven't even got proper notes to record what was said. Then you have someone who was there representing one of the supporters' groups, accusing posters on this thread of ''intolerance and stupidity'', he then tells us all to ''shut up and wait'' I'm not surprised that only 20 people attended their meeting if they think that's a normal way to communicate. Quite ironic when you think about it! Egos,self importance ring any bells  |
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Post by manchestergas on Sept 13, 2014 13:35:55 GMT
One Question ?? Why all the secrecy ?? it will only cause more issues, people will start to believe there is a hidden agenda Is this the same hidden agenda than the previous hidden agenda or a different hidden agenda? It's the hidden agenda hidden within the hidden agenda. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 13:50:16 GMT
I think it's a good thing that Directors are establishing (presumably) meaningful communication with supporters.
I think it's a shame that when anyone tries to organise anything, holes are picked in it and others snipe (Trust, SC reform, Black & Gold, etc., now this).
It's wrong that one of the outcomes of the share scheme was a seeming club policy that if we wanted to liaise with the Board, it should thenceforth be through our 'representatives', like the other Directors are some kind of Wizard of Oz like figure behind a screen, rather than custodians with a customer base that they should want to integrate with.
it's telling that when 'the Board' chose to set up communication channels with supporters, they sent two 'of their own' rather than bother with the nodding donkeys. The supporters almost certainly got far more sense out of it as well.
Good luck to them. It might actually be the start of something worthwhile. We can worry about how to make better use of the obviously useless £1 million worth of participation we've bought ('Have your say') at a later date.
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Post by manchestergas on Sept 13, 2014 13:56:03 GMT
I was a member of the share scheme, I left after the dilution of the share holding. I am not a member of the SC anymore. I can't vote in share scheme elections, fair enough. However if that is the case the Share Scheme Directors cannot claim to represent me or anyone like me.
If these six want to have a meeting without the share scheme directors fair enough, they have every right to do it.
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 13, 2014 14:02:47 GMT
I think it's a good thing that Directors are establishing (presumably) meaningful communication with supporters. I think it's a shame that when anyone tries to organise anything, holes are picked in it and others snipe (Trust, SC reform, Black & Gold, etc., now this). It's wrong that one of the outcomes of the share scheme was a seeming club policy that if we wanted to liaise with the Board, it should thenceforth be through our 'representatives', like the other Directors are some kind of Wizard of Oz like figure behind a screen, rather than custodians with a customer base that they should want to integrate with. it's telling that when 'the Board' chose to set up communication channels with supporters, they sent two 'of their own' rather than bother with the nodding donkeys. The supporters almost certainly got far more sense out of it as well. Good luck to them. It might actually be the start of something worthwhile. We can worry about how to make better use of the obviously useless £1 million worth of participation we've bought ('Have your say') at a later date. Good post. Can we not wait until the we have more information from the meeting before shooting them down in flames? If they had publicised the meeting, I'm sure that lots of people would have then been instructing them as to what they should and shouldn't ask. It sounds as though, at the moment, they took forward the list of questions previously compiled by fans, so I don't get the comments about "egos" etc. |
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Post by Igitur on Sept 13, 2014 14:18:04 GMT
If you were not seen i doubt you would ever have told us It makes no difference, they haven't even got proper notes to record what was said. Then you have someone who was there representing one of the supporters' groups, accusing posters on this thread of ''intolerance and stupidity'', he then tells us all to ''shut up and wait'' I'm not surprised that only 20 people attended their meeting if they think that's a normal way to communicate. Spot on, irrespective of other issues, it is so rude to tell people to "shut up." This is an insight in to the people behind BRISA. |
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Post by gassedup on Sept 13, 2014 14:30:28 GMT
If you were not seen i doubt you would ever have told us It makes no difference, they haven't even got proper notes to record what was said. Then you have someone who was there representing one of the supporters' groups, accusing posters on this thread of ''intolerance and stupidity'', he then tells us all to ''shut up and wait'' I'm not surprised that only 20 people attended their meeting if they think that's a normal way to communicate. Well all I can say is if you don't like what is being done or how it's being done, come and do it yourself.
Other wise I'd appreciate less criticism.
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Post by c13 on Sept 13, 2014 15:58:36 GMT
It makes no difference, they haven't even got proper notes to record what was said. Then you have someone who was there representing one of the supporters' groups, accusing posters on this thread of ''intolerance and stupidity'', he then tells us all to ''shut up and wait'' I'm not surprised that only 20 people attended their meeting if they think that's a normal way to communicate. Well all I can say is if you don't like what is being done or how it's being done, come and do it yourself.
Other wise I'd appreciate less criticism.
Okay now, this is the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen. You're the ones proposing to "do it" from day one in the name of the BRFC fans, so nobody here has to "come do it better" because it is not the role we put ourselves into. And "less criticism"? Can't take 'em very well, can you? I've seen many posters in here that actually deal quite well with even destructive criticism but it's obviously not your case. Maybe we should just shut up and wait them, why not? It's not like we're concerned fans or anything, we're just stupid intolerant people with an agenda of destruction |
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Post by One F in Dunford on Sept 13, 2014 16:04:01 GMT
Well all I can say is if you don't like what is being done or how it's being done, come and do it yourself.
Other wise I'd appreciate less criticism.
Okay now, this is the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen. You're the ones proposing to "do it" from day one in the name of the BRFC fans, so nobody here has to "come do it better" because it is not the role we put ourselves into. And "less criticism"? Can't take 'em very well, can you? I've seen many posters in here that actually deal quite well with even destructive criticism but it's obviously not your case. Maybe we should just shut up and wait them, why not? It's not like we're concerned fans or anything, we're just stupid intolerant people with an agenda of destruction Spot on. Is gassedup Nick Higg's new user name? |
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Post by gassedup on Sept 13, 2014 17:02:43 GMT
Okay now, this is the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen. You're the ones proposing to "do it" from day one in the name of the BRFC fans, so nobody here has to "come do it better" because it is not the role we put ourselves into. And "less criticism"? Can't take 'em very well, can you? I've seen many posters in here that actually deal quite well with even destructive criticism but it's obviously not your case. Maybe we should just shut up and wait them, why not? It's not like we're concerned fans or anything, we're just stupid intolerant people with an agenda of destruction Spot on. Is gassedup Nick Higg's new user name? yep. I'm certainly having plenty of sympathy for him. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 17:13:47 GMT
It makes no difference, they haven't even got proper notes to record what was said. Then you have someone who was there representing one of the supporters' groups, accusing posters on this thread of ''intolerance and stupidity'', he then tells us all to ''shut up and wait'' I'm not surprised that only 20 people attended their meeting if they think that's a normal way to communicate. Well all I can say is if you don't like what is being done or how it's being done, come and do it yourself.
Other wise I'd appreciate less criticism.
You seem like quite an angry person. Your meeting attracted about 20 people. You haven't kept proper records of the secret meeting so need to compare notes made retrospectively to reach a concensus on what you all think was said. You have labeled contributors to this thread 'intolerant and stupid' and have told them to 'shut up and wait'. Those looks like statements of fact to me, rather than criticism. Of course, you can interprete those facts in whatever you makes you happy. Maybe I would have attended your meeting or perhaps I could have helped you organise it, but you kept it secret. |
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Post by markczgas on Sept 13, 2014 17:34:49 GMT
Mark & Co well done for trying to instigate dialogue with the directors (it's important that the dialogue is with the directors that make the decisions). Unfortunately the same old faces who only now sit behind their computers are already trying to sabotage your efforts, quite pathetic really. Keep up what your doing & ignore the 'been there done that' brigade they'll no longer solve any problems this club has. Quite ironic that people are criticising you for the fans directors not being there when I bet none of them have shown any interest in voting in the upcoming election. Laughable isn't it. Thanks ! Some of you have not read carefully what I posted earlier. The meeting was arranged to enable The Wellie Group reps to ask the questions which were not asked/answered from the Q & A back in July. It was also our idea to have a small group meeting on this occasion as we felt it would give us a better chance to get through the questions. So please do not criticise the club (directors) for being sneaky and do not have a go at the BRISA members present because it was our choice to invite them. Both Wellie Group and BRISA tried to lead action/dialogue all summer and it was a lot of damn hardwork and persistence that has helped to get these meetings/events happening. It would be nice if FELLOW GASHEADS could respect that at least. |
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Post by One F in Dunford on Sept 13, 2014 17:39:48 GMT
Mark & Co well done for trying to instigate dialogue with the directors (it's important that the dialogue is with the directors that make the decisions). Unfortunately the same old faces who only now sit behind their computers are already trying to sabotage your efforts, quite pathetic really. Keep up what your doing & ignore the 'been there done that' brigade they'll no longer solve any problems this club has. Quite ironic that people are criticising you for the fans directors not being there when I bet none of them have shown any interest in voting in the upcoming election. Laughable isn't it. Thanks ! Some of you have not read carefully what I posted earlier. The meeting was arranged to enable The Wellie Group reps to ask the questions which were not asked/answered from the Q & A back in July. It was also our idea to have a small group meeting on this occasion as we felt it would give us a better chance to get through the questions. So please do not criticise the club (directors) for being sneaky and do not have a go at the BRISA members present because it was our choice to invite them. Both Wellie Group and BRISA tried to lead action/dialogue all summer and it was a lot of damn hardwork and persistence that has helped to get these meetings/events happening. It would be nice if FELLOW GASHEADS could respect that at least. Fair enough. Can I just ask why Rick was invited to attend and then uninvited? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 17:49:06 GMT
Thanks ! Some of you have not read carefully what I posted earlier. The meeting was arranged to enable The Wellie Group reps to ask the questions which were not asked/answered from the Q & A back in July. It was also our idea to have a small group meeting on this occasion as we felt it would give us a better chance to get through the questions. So please do not criticise the club (directors) for being sneaky and do not have a go at the BRISA members present because it was our choice to invite them. Both Wellie Group and BRISA tried to lead action/dialogue all summer and it was a lot of damn hardwork and persistence that has helped to get these meetings/events happening. It would be nice if FELLOW GASHEADS could respect that at least. Fair enough. Can I just ask why Rick was invited to attend and then uninvited? Beat me to it. This is now the 3rd time I've asked the same question on this thread. Why was Rick invited and then uninvited please? To be fair Mark, if someone labels contributors to a thread 'stupid' and tells them to 'shut up', he's maybe making a rod for his own back. |
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Post by markczgas on Sept 13, 2014 17:51:19 GMT
Because it wasn't really on the agenda we (Wellie Group) had been leading since relegation and this was still our focus on Thursday night. We were worried that Rick coming along MIGHT put the focus on the KS issue.
My personal view is that it is incredibly silly/petty to have this hanging around the club but I don't know KS and I don't know the ins and outs. I think KS has also asked BRISA and other groups to not get involved anyway.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Sept 13, 2014 17:58:51 GMT
Because it wasn't really on the agenda we (Wellie Group) had been leading since relegation and this was still our focus on Thursday night. We were worried that Rick coming along MIGHT put the focus on the KS issue. My personal view is that it is incredibly silly/petty to have this hanging around the club but I don't know KS and I don't know the ins and outs. I think KS has also asked BRISA and other groups to not get involved anyway. Thanks for your reply. |
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Post by markczgas on Sept 13, 2014 18:00:37 GMT
Fair enough. Can I just ask why Rick was invited to attend and then uninvited? Beat me to it. This is now the 3rd time I've asked the same question on this thread. Why was Rick invited and then uninvited please? To be fair Mark, if someone labels contributors to a thread 'stupid' and tells them to 'shut up', he's maybe making a rod for his own back. It can get pretty stressful for some to be badgered/hassled about things (like thursday). Can we please all remember that we are all rovers supporters and we are all ( I hope) doing our bit to get this club back up the leagues - I know communication between club and us is bad, but at least something is happening now and I can say from meeting CJ and EW on thursday thay are really hurting and frustrated about the last 4 seasons but our still determined to bring good times back to ROvers. |
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Post by jackthegas on Sept 13, 2014 18:04:10 GMT
Because it wasn't really on the agenda we (Wellie Group) had been leading since relegation and this was still our focus on Thursday night. We were worried that Rick coming along MIGHT put the focus on the KS issue. My personal view is that it is incredibly silly/petty to have this hanging around the club but I don't know KS and I don't know the ins and outs. I think KS has also asked BRISA and other groups to not get involved anyway. It's clearly an issue for a number of supporters though and given that the meeting was designed to answer questions posed by supporters I assume the issue was raised by someone? |
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 13, 2014 18:15:49 GMT
Because it wasn't really on the agenda we (Wellie Group) had been leading since relegation and this was still our focus on Thursday night. We were worried that Rick coming along MIGHT put the focus on the KS issue. My personal view is that it is incredibly silly/petty to have this hanging around the club but I don't know KS and I don't know the ins and outs. I think KS has also asked BRISA and other groups to not get involved anyway. It's clearly an issue for a number of supporters though and given that the meeting was designed to answer questions posed by supporters I assume the issue was raised by someone? My understanding is that it was raised by somebody at the Nick Higgs forum, whereas the questions covered at this meeting were ones which hadn't been raised or answered previously. The ball is in Higgs' court, maybe he's not letting anybody else play! Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong. |
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Post by lockleazer on Sept 13, 2014 18:16:15 GMT
Ok... so a lot of different views on this. .. firstly I was asked by mark a week before the meeting if id attend , I was grateful to be invited and AS A NORMAL FAN was interested to hear a view from Chris Jelf as too what had gone so wrong with our club.
As far as im aware it was no secret I didnt mention it on here before hand as I disnt want the risk of Mr Jelf pulling out ( I didnt organise the meet so I didnt know if there wete any conditions to it) it was very very onformal , not much different to any chat id had with 5 other gasheads , the chat involved all sorts and my own interpretation of things said maybe different to others , mark arranged the meeting and is I believe going to write a report on it. But briefly some of the things mentioned ... they were very bullish that we will win our battle with Sainsburys , finances are tight and the budget has been cut by 20-30% ... wardy turned down the chance to buy at least 2 proven strikers. .. promotion this season is very important. .. they accept a lot has gone wrong and that communication and getting the club its staff and fans pulling together is vital and the board must work harder to enable that..the internal review has not been exactly followed up as board members time has been limited especially by the fight to sell the mem, investment is welcome and needed ... they promised to hold more meetings with fans and want to organise something to make use of supporters skills and knowledge. ....
Finally Kevin Spencer. .. there view was thatthis is a issue between kevin and Nick and whilst it would be good for all to sort it their was more to it than they can sort out ... thus is what was said not my views .... there is more meat to add to the bones of it all that im sure will be in a report of the meeting ... anyonevwanting more info is welcone to pm me and I'll answer when I can .
Finally BRISA didnt arrange this meeting so fair playvto mark for inviting us and its fair to say that right now BRISA is close to folding as no one has been willing to offer the help required despite many requests ... its a shame that from 300 members that no more than a handful have been willing to step forward at all it will beva shane to waste a lot of hard work but what more can we do ... as it stands its 2 blokes with 3 foot soldiers at best... any ideas and help is welcome but unless more people come forward to stand up and put themselves forward to properly help and plan there is no future for BRISA... those moaning that they weren't part of this meeting are welcome to take over my place as a face/organiser of BRISA . I offered to help as the founder had some issues personally that were far more important .. I didnt want to see a good idea go to waste I just jope some others can see this and step up
Great 3 points today. .. onwards and upwards! !
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Excuse the grammer im fitting this in whilst trying to get my kids off to bed... bad grammer is better than no post at all
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