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Post by bondigas on Nov 14, 2024 15:32:39 GMT
Just think when the man who has been campaigning on behalf of the minority shareholder like a man possessed for the past two weeks is appointed managing director of the club he will be able to introduce all of his dynamic ideas until he finds out of course there is still an elephant in the room.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Nov 14, 2024 15:42:53 GMT
Do Dutch trio and their backers realise what a basket case Rovers are and it will need to find upwards of £50m just to get the Mem and The Quarters up to L1 level? Just having a social media presence isn't going to come up with that type of money, you have to sense Wael is like an excited kid and just jumps from one idea to the next without giving it any real thought or proper due diligence. If that's what you have taken away from what I have written you need to re read it again and understand the difference between social media "presence" and monetised income through SM. Swiss was talking about a "business model". Part of the business model is around monetised social media, together with, and if this was true which was mentioned in one of the articles I read online, the streaming service. I work with a few YouTubers, one of them is one of the biggest with over 2m followers across multiple platforms. With 15 supercar collection built from nothing but SM I can see the potential income that can generate for the club with the right faces and content. |
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 14, 2024 17:29:36 GMT
Do Dutch trio and their backers realise what a basket case Rovers are and it will need to find upwards of £50m just to get the Mem and The Quarters up to L1 level? Just having a social media presence isn't going to come up with that type of money, you have to sense Wael is like an excited kid and just jumps from one idea to the next without giving it any real thought or proper due diligence. You know too much.  . |
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 14, 2024 17:31:15 GMT
Just think when the man who has been campaigning on behalf of the minority shareholder like a man possessed for the past two weeks is appointed managing director of the club he will be able to introduce all of his dynamic ideas until he finds out of course there is still an elephant in the room. What's bigger - the elephant or his ego? |
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Post by bondigas on Nov 14, 2024 17:48:08 GMT
Ego, bigger than Wembley Stadium.
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 14, 2024 19:28:02 GMT
Ego, bigger than Wembley Stadium. That’s a bit unnecessary. Do you even know him? |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Nov 14, 2024 20:53:16 GMT
Ego, bigger than Wembley Stadium. That’s a bit unnecessary. Do you even know him? Don't get involved piratey. Thankfully I don't know them. It's just proving my point from the other week with these 2 specifically, especially Bondi. If she had the IQ half of my supposed ego she wouldn't be such a jealous and bitter little soldier. Keyboard warriors mate. 👍🏻 |
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 14, 2024 21:45:10 GMT
That’s a bit unnecessary. Do you even know him? Don't get involved piratey. Thankfully I don't know them. It's just proving my point from the other week with these 2 specifically, especially Bondi. If she had the IQ half of my supposed ego she wouldn't be such a jealous and bitter little soldier. Keyboard warriors mate. 👍🏻 Just calling out bad behaviour, not calling names myself |
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Post by swissgas on Nov 14, 2024 22:00:56 GMT
Do Dutch trio and their backers realise what a basket case Rovers are and it will need to find upwards of £50m just to get the Mem and The Quarters up to L1 level? Just having a social media presence isn't going to come up with that type of money, you have to sense Wael is like an excited kid and just jumps from one idea to the next without giving it any real thought or proper due diligence. If that's what you have taken away from what I have written you need to re read it again and understand the difference between social media "presence" and monetised income through SM. Swiss was talking about a "business model". Part of the business model is around monetised social media, together with, and if this was true which was mentioned in one of the articles I read online, the streaming service. I work with a few YouTubers, one of them is one of the biggest with over 2m followers across multiple platforms. With 15 supercar collection built from nothing but SM I can see the potential income that can generate for the club with the right faces and content. But Joey Barton had 2.8 million followers ? Monetised income through social media has a part to play but you’ve got to admit it’s clutching at straws to put that anywhere near the top of the list of priorities. It’s obvious that you’re pushing this group because you’ve somehow learned they would be willing to take over Wael’s shareholding and get him out financially. No wonder the Al- Saeeds aren’t interested in forsaking their majority stake in Dwane Sports and being left with a useless 25% share when the only reason they came in was to “have a go at running a football club”. Since 2016 Rovers have been run by inexperienced people with “ rich dads” and it’s not gone very well has it ? It wasn’t difficult to predict a fall out between Wael and the Al- Saeeds just as it wasn’t difficult to predict what was likely to happen with the appointment of Tom Gorringe as CEO, the decision to go ahead with the training ground, the appointment of Barton and the decision to build the South Stand. It’s been a catalogue of errors and if an unproven group of footballers with mysterious backers (who cannot be named) were allowed to take control of Rovers it would be another momentous one. So if the Al- Saeeds are resisting this and using their position of power to offer Wael a “ get out” on their terms then I think it’s good for Rovers. But that certainly doesn’t mean I think the Al- Saeeds are running the club well and I’ve posted very consistently that it would be in Rovers best interests and in their best interests ( just as it would have been for Wael) to create a strong business structure and comprehensive development plan for the club. Appoint an experienced CEO Appoint an experienced CFO Engage an experienced PR agency to help get the message across effectively Engage an experienced consultancy to explore how the training ground land may be exploited to provide maximum benefit for the club. Engage an experienced consultancy to explore how the stadium may be developed to provide maximum benefit for the club. We continue to act impulsively and stumble from crisis to crisis, as yours and Roadman’s posts have revealed, but that doesn’t mean taking another hasty and badly thought through course of action will solve the problem. Wouldn’t it be better for Rovers if Wael quietly left the stage with dignity and Gasheads used our influence to try to persuade Hussain that there is another way of running the club which in the long term will be better for him, Abdullatif and us ? |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Nov 14, 2024 22:49:24 GMT
If that's what you have taken away from what I have written you need to re read it again and understand the difference between social media "presence" and monetised income through SM. Swiss was talking about a "business model". Part of the business model is around monetised social media, together with, and if this was true which was mentioned in one of the articles I read online, the streaming service. I work with a few YouTubers, one of them is one of the biggest with over 2m followers across multiple platforms. With 15 supercar collection built from nothing but SM I can see the potential income that can generate for the club with the right faces and content. But Joey Barton had 2.8 million followers ? Monetised income through social media has a part to play but you’ve got to admit it’s clutching at straws to put that anywhere near the top of the list of priorities. It’s obvious that you’re pushing this group because you’ve somehow learned they would be willing to take over Wael’s shareholding and get him out financially. No wonder the Al- Saeeds aren’t interested in forsaking their majority stake in Dwane Sports and being left with a useless 25% share when the only reason they came in was to “have a go at running a football club”. Since 2016 Rovers have been run by inexperienced people with “ rich dads” and it’s not gone very well has it ? It wasn’t difficult to predict a fall out between Wael and the Al- Saeeds just as it wasn’t difficult to predict what was likely to happen with the appointment of Tom Gorringe as CEO, the decision to go ahead with the training ground, the appointment of Barton and the decision to build the South Stand. It’s been a catalogue of errors and if an unproven group of footballers with mysterious backers (who cannot be named) were allowed to take control of Rovers it would be another momentous one. So if the Al- Saeeds are resisting this and using their position of power to offer Wael a “ get out” on their terms then I think it’s good for Rovers. But that certainly doesn’t mean I think the Al- Saeeds are running the club well and I’ve posted very consistently that it would be in Rovers best interests and in their best interests ( just as it would have been for Wael) to create a strong business structure and comprehensive development plan for the club. Appoint an experienced CEO Appoint an experienced CFO Engage an experienced PR agency to help get the message across effectively Engage an experienced consultancy to explore how the training ground land may be exploited to provide maximum benefit for the club. Engage an experienced consultancy to explore how the stadium may be developed to provide maximum benefit for the club. We continue to act impulsively and stumble from crisis to crisis, as yours and Roadman’s posts have revealed, but that doesn’t mean taking another hasty and badly thought through course of action will solve the problem. Wouldn’t it be better for Rovers if Wael quietly left the stage with dignity and Gasheads used our influence to try to persuade Hussain that there is another way of running the club which in the long term will be better for him, Abdullatif and us ? Followers mean nothing without content which is why i wrote there is a vast difference between presence and monetised income. For example, one YouTuber I work for has 2m subscribers to his Instagram and YouTube channels which earns him £750k per year through content that he produces which generates ad revenue for both channels which he gets a cut of. Then there is other collaborations where he might not earn real ££ but he may get something for free which is beneficial to him. JB was just a famous person for playing football he's not producing content to earn his way there, so he'll generate no income at all. I'm not clutching at any straws, I was simply pointing out something that was written in an article about what they wanted to bring to the football club. But this is what you do from time to time, pick something quite small I've written and use it to try and hit me with and it's a pointless discussion at this stage. I don't quite see what you are getting at with me seemingly pushing this group to get Wael out? Wael is out, his 40% may as well be 1%. Personally, I don't care who runs us, I just want it done properly, and I agree, we haven't had a proper structure when we have badly needed one. The AS have been with us long enough to reveal their hands in terms of structure of ownership. They have failed. What they did do is put an inexperienced uni post grad, next to an inexperienced DOF former footballer, with his cousin who has a UEFA C licence from the hotbed of American "Soccer" and his uni flat mate mate as a financial controller. It's a 💩show even comparing it to what went before. Facts are if the AS were invested properly in us and wanted us to move forward, we would have advertised for and employed all of the above positions independently, consulted and appointed a PR agency or employed an experienced PR person and also allowed the football team manager to do his job to get the best out of his squad and environment. I would be all up for gasheads trying to persuade HAS to do things differently or to move on, however this is about as much discussion as anything gets. The apathy towards demanding better is unreal. Rather than collectively getting together and agreeing that there is a problem and working a solution to put to the club, some would rather just try and point score, belittle or name call others. As for the AS communicating with fans, well that's non existent as well isn't it. Not even radio Bristol or the Bristol Post can get some time with them so I've got no hope in any form of open forum with the owner. |
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 15, 2024 20:30:30 GMT
But Joey Barton had 2.8 million followers ? Monetised income through social media has a part to play but you’ve got to admit it’s clutching at straws to put that anywhere near the top of the list of priorities. It’s obvious that you’re pushing this group because you’ve somehow learned they would be willing to take over Wael’s shareholding and get him out financially. No wonder the Al- Saeeds aren’t interested in forsaking their majority stake in Dwane Sports and being left with a useless 25% share when the only reason they came in was to “have a go at running a football club”. Since 2016 Rovers have been run by inexperienced people with “ rich dads” and it’s not gone very well has it ? It wasn’t difficult to predict a fall out between Wael and the Al- Saeeds just as it wasn’t difficult to predict what was likely to happen with the appointment of Tom Gorringe as CEO, the decision to go ahead with the training ground, the appointment of Barton and the decision to build the South Stand. It’s been a catalogue of errors and if an unproven group of footballers with mysterious backers (who cannot be named) were allowed to take control of Rovers it would be another momentous one. So if the Al- Saeeds are resisting this and using their position of power to offer Wael a “ get out” on their terms then I think it’s good for Rovers. But that certainly doesn’t mean I think the Al- Saeeds are running the club well and I’ve posted very consistently that it would be in Rovers best interests and in their best interests ( just as it would have been for Wael) to create a strong business structure and comprehensive development plan for the club. Appoint an experienced CEO Appoint an experienced CFO Engage an experienced PR agency to help get the message across effectively Engage an experienced consultancy to explore how the training ground land may be exploited to provide maximum benefit for the club. Engage an experienced consultancy to explore how the stadium may be developed to provide maximum benefit for the club. We continue to act impulsively and stumble from crisis to crisis, as yours and Roadman’s posts have revealed, but that doesn’t mean taking another hasty and badly thought through course of action will solve the problem. Wouldn’t it be better for Rovers if Wael quietly left the stage with dignity and Gasheads used our influence to try to persuade Hussain that there is another way of running the club which in the long term will be better for him, Abdullatif and us ? Followers mean nothing without content which is why i wrote there is a vast difference between presence and monetised income. For example, one YouTuber I work for has 2m subscribers to his Instagram and YouTube channels which earns him £750k per year through content that he produces which generates ad revenue for both channels which he gets a cut of. Then there is other collaborations where he might not earn real ££ but he may get something for free which is beneficial to him. JB was just a famous person for playing football he's not producing content to earn his way there, so he'll generate no income at all. I'm not clutching at any straws, I was simply pointing out something that was written in an article about what they wanted to bring to the football club. But this is what you do from time to time, pick something quite small I've written and use it to try and hit me with and it's a pointless discussion at this stage. I don't quite see what you are getting at with me seemingly pushing this group to get Wael out? Wael is out, his 40% may as well be 1%. Personally, I don't care who runs us, I just want it done properly, and I agree, we haven't had a proper structure when we have badly needed one. The AS have been with us long enough to reveal their hands in terms of structure of ownership. They have failed. What they did do is put an inexperienced uni post grad, next to an inexperienced DOF former footballer, with his cousin who has a UEFA C licence from the hotbed of American "Soccer" and his uni flat mate mate as a financial controller. It's a 💩show even comparing it to what went before. Facts are if the AS were invested properly in us and wanted us to move forward, we would have advertised for and employed all of the above positions independently, consulted and appointed a PR agency or employed an experienced PR person and also allowed the football team manager to do his job to get the best out of his squad and environment. I would be all up for gasheads trying to persuade HAS to do things differently or to move on, however this is about as much discussion as anything gets. The apathy towards demanding better is unreal. Rather than collectively getting together and agreeing that there is a problem and working a solution to put to the club, some would rather just try and point score, belittle or name call others. As for the AS communicating with fans, well that's non existent as well isn't it. Not even radio Bristol or the Bristol Post can get some time with them so I've got no hope in any form of open forum with the owner. Unlike the previous Agenda for Change you are not pushing for a change in the way Rovers are run but in a change of ownership to a complete mystery group, no wonder there's total apathy about the proposed to takeover, as firstly, probably fans don't believe it's true and, secondly, even if they do, there's no clear signs that they are going to do a better job than the present owners. It also doesn't say a lot about the group they way they have gone about matters using an ex forum mod as their spokesperson, they are hardly coming across as anymore professional than the present mob, in fact they are probably appearing less professional. As far as making money from SM, a boring mid table L1 side playing in a shack of a stadium is hardly going to attract millions of viewers. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Nov 15, 2024 22:05:32 GMT
Followers mean nothing without content which is why i wrote there is a vast difference between presence and monetised income. For example, one YouTuber I work for has 2m subscribers to his Instagram and YouTube channels which earns him £750k per year through content that he produces which generates ad revenue for both channels which he gets a cut of. Then there is other collaborations where he might not earn real ££ but he may get something for free which is beneficial to him. JB was just a famous person for playing football he's not producing content to earn his way there, so he'll generate no income at all. I'm not clutching at any straws, I was simply pointing out something that was written in an article about what they wanted to bring to the football club. But this is what you do from time to time, pick something quite small I've written and use it to try and hit me with and it's a pointless discussion at this stage. I don't quite see what you are getting at with me seemingly pushing this group to get Wael out? Wael is out, his 40% may as well be 1%. Personally, I don't care who runs us, I just want it done properly, and I agree, we haven't had a proper structure when we have badly needed one. The AS have been with us long enough to reveal their hands in terms of structure of ownership. They have failed. What they did do is put an inexperienced uni post grad, next to an inexperienced DOF former footballer, with his cousin who has a UEFA C licence from the hotbed of American "Soccer" and his uni flat mate mate as a financial controller. It's a 💩show even comparing it to what went before. Facts are if the AS were invested properly in us and wanted us to move forward, we would have advertised for and employed all of the above positions independently, consulted and appointed a PR agency or employed an experienced PR person and also allowed the football team manager to do his job to get the best out of his squad and environment. I would be all up for gasheads trying to persuade HAS to do things differently or to move on, however this is about as much discussion as anything gets. The apathy towards demanding better is unreal. Rather than collectively getting together and agreeing that there is a problem and working a solution to put to the club, some would rather just try and point score, belittle or name call others. As for the AS communicating with fans, well that's non existent as well isn't it. Not even radio Bristol or the Bristol Post can get some time with them so I've got no hope in any form of open forum with the owner. Unlike the previous Agenda for Change you are not pushing for a change in the way Rovers are run but in a change of ownership to a complete mystery group, no wonder there's total apathy about the proposed to takeover, as firstly, probably fans don't believe it's true and, secondly, even if they do, there's no clear signs that they are going to do a better job than the present owners. It also doesn't say a lot about the group they way they have gone about matters using an ex forum mod as their spokesperson, they are hardly coming across as anymore professional than the present mob, in fact they are probably appearing less professional. As far as making money from SM, a boring mid table L1 side playing in a shack of a stadium is hardly going to attract millions of viewers. I'm advocating HAS going a different route other than his son, cousin and uni chums playing championship manager with us. In the year or so they have been in charge we are being run no differently to how ALQs ran us, something which came in for major criticism, and rightly so. There should be a period of consultation and thought going in to any offers of investment which comes our way, because it's abundantly clear that the AS lack the resource to do it another way. Who's the ex forum mod that's been instructed to say something? SM content is a funny thing, what some people find interesting, others won't, but if you can come up with something different and creative that no one has done before then you'll be successful, regardless of your surroundings. A friend of mine has a daughter who has built a 300k SM following doing fashion tips and advice from her bedroom. At 24 she has just bought herself her first house, a 4 bed detached in Clevedon and will probably have the mortgage paid off on it in 8 years, with no help from her parents either. Having an ignorant and dismissive attitude against having the opportunity to build that kind of monetised content which would reduce our losses is just stupid and exactly why we should look at the opportunity and all of the benefits which may come from it. Whether that's the business side, investment side or bolt on extras like SM and streaming. |
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 16, 2024 14:32:48 GMT
Heard today from someone itk that the Kuwaiti 's are questioning the build of the new stand, claiming it is 140mm shorter than it should be, and are apparently refusing to pay, don't know wether that can be substantiated or not,but seems a bit ridiculous if so.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 16, 2024 17:03:25 GMT
Heard today from someone itk that the Kuwaiti 's are questioning the build of the new stand, claiming it is 140mm shorter than it should be, and are apparently refusing to pay, don't know wether that can be substantiated or not,but seems a bit ridiculous if so. Sounds like the 'B&Q 10 Reasons Not To Pay An Invoice' to me |
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 16, 2024 17:44:27 GMT
Heard today from someone itk that the Kuwaiti 's are questioning the build of the new stand, claiming it is 140mm shorter than it should be, and are apparently refusing to pay, don't know wether that can be substantiated or not,but seems a bit ridiculous if so. Seems a fair complaint if true, didn't Bristol Rugby Club pursue a similar claim for the grandstand not being built to spec? |
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 16, 2024 17:47:45 GMT
Unlike the previous Agenda for Change you are not pushing for a change in the way Rovers are run but in a change of ownership to a complete mystery group, no wonder there's total apathy about the proposed to takeover, as firstly, probably fans don't believe it's true and, secondly, even if they do, there's no clear signs that they are going to do a better job than the present owners. It also doesn't say a lot about the group they way they have gone about matters using an ex forum mod as their spokesperson, they are hardly coming across as anymore professional than the present mob, in fact they are probably appearing less professional. As far as making money from SM, a boring mid table L1 side playing in a shack of a stadium is hardly going to attract millions of viewers. I'm advocating HAS going a different route other than his son, cousin and uni chums playing championship manager with us. In the year or so they have been in charge we are being run no differently to how ALQs ran us, something which came in for major criticism, and rightly so. There should be a period of consultation and thought going in to any offers of investment which comes our way, because it's abundantly clear that the AS lack the resource to do it another way. Who's the ex forum mod that's been instructed to say something? SM content is a funny thing, what some people find interesting, others won't, but if you can come up with something different and creative that no one has done before then you'll be successful, regardless of your surroundings. A friend of mine has a daughter who has built a 300k SM following doing fashion tips and advice from her bedroom. At 24 she has just bought herself her first house, a 4 bed detached in Clevedon and will probably have the mortgage paid off on it in 8 years, with no help from her parents either. Having an ignorant and dismissive attitude against having the opportunity to build that kind of monetised content which would reduce our losses is just stupid and exactly why we should look at the opportunity and all of the benefits which may come from it. Whether that's the business side, investment side or bolt on extras like SM and streaming. We're a bog standard L1 side, we're not going to have YouTube etc users queuing up to watch the club's latest uploads, this sounds another of Wael's random ideas, the type somebody comes up with at a brainstorming session and is then usually quickly dismissed. |
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Post by swissgas on Nov 16, 2024 17:54:59 GMT
Heard today from someone itk that the Kuwaiti 's are questioning the build of the new stand, claiming it is 140mm shorter than it should be, and are apparently refusing to pay, don't know wether that can be substantiated or not,but seems a bit ridiculous if so. Surely 5 1/2 inches isn’t worth arguing about ? Oh, I just asked my wife and apparently it is. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Nov 16, 2024 18:48:13 GMT
I'm advocating HAS going a different route other than his son, cousin and uni chums playing championship manager with us. In the year or so they have been in charge we are being run no differently to how ALQs ran us, something which came in for major criticism, and rightly so. There should be a period of consultation and thought going in to any offers of investment which comes our way, because it's abundantly clear that the AS lack the resource to do it another way. Who's the ex forum mod that's been instructed to say something? SM content is a funny thing, what some people find interesting, others won't, but if you can come up with something different and creative that no one has done before then you'll be successful, regardless of your surroundings. A friend of mine has a daughter who has built a 300k SM following doing fashion tips and advice from her bedroom. At 24 she has just bought herself her first house, a 4 bed detached in Clevedon and will probably have the mortgage paid off on it in 8 years, with no help from her parents either. Having an ignorant and dismissive attitude against having the opportunity to build that kind of monetised content which would reduce our losses is just stupid and exactly why we should look at the opportunity and all of the benefits which may come from it. Whether that's the business side, investment side or bolt on extras like SM and streaming. We're a bog standard L1 side, we're not going to have YouTube etc users queuing up to watch the club's latest uploads, this sounds another of Wael's random ideas, the type somebody comes up with at a brainstorming session and is then usually quickly dismissed. Again, you can't get your head past who we are and a different form of content creation beyond match highlights. Why would anyone watch other people play computer games in their bedroom and yet here we are with people getting paid for that to happen. |
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 16, 2024 18:59:43 GMT
I'd still love to know what Rovers can offer which the likes of Liverpool can't offer, I assume people watch video gamers to learn how to play COD etc better but I doubt anybody would learn anything from watching our training sessions!
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