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Post by shakes on Nov 13, 2024 8:20:35 GMT
The Saeeds appear awful people to run a fc. When was the last time they spoke to the fans through the Post or Radio Bristol? Scared of being laughed at I imagine. Not football people. This is why wes e feel Bristol walking dead Rovers. They need replacing because nothing will work while they remain. What is your expectation of how an owner ‘talks’ to ‘fans? |
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Post by bondigas on Nov 13, 2024 8:21:25 GMT
Hasn't Itb for years been telling us there is no special relationship with Wael. He's just told us the deal and who's involved and probably scuppered it.
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Post by baselswh on Nov 13, 2024 8:33:03 GMT
The Saeeds appear awful people to run a fc. When was the last time they spoke to the fans through the Post or Radio Bristol? Scared of being laughed at I imagine. Not football people. This is why wes e feel Bristol walking dead Rovers. They need replacing because nothing will work while they remain. What is your expectation of how an owner ‘talks’ to ‘fans? Every now and again through the media and face to face on match days. Confidently, professionally,informative and in a friendly manner. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Nov 13, 2024 8:48:12 GMT
Hasn't Itb for years been telling us there is no special relationship with Wael. He's just told us the deal and who's involved and probably scuppered it. The "deal" was posted by someone else on gaschat long before I commented on it... How do you know it's Wael I've spoken to? I was in Middle East working when he was in the civil service club apparently telling everyone and obviously didn't attend the game eh where this news broke. After all these years you still haven't been able to connect anyone else to me other than your suspicion it's Wael especially when you think what natural opportunity may come my way to speak to others connected to the club.. for someone who thinks they are so clever I expected better from you bondi. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Nov 13, 2024 10:01:54 GMT
What is your expectation of how an owner ‘talks’ to ‘fans? Every now and again through the media and face to face on match days. Confidently, professionally,informative and in a friendly manner. I spoke to Dan Hargreaves yesterday. Every request for a media interview has been declined outside of the pre/post match pressers. The last time they did get an interview granted most of it was devoted to the bbc. |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 13, 2024 13:33:29 GMT
Every now and again through the media and face to face on match days. Confidently, professionally,informative and in a friendly manner. I spoke to Dan Hargreaves yesterday. Every request for a media interview has been declined outside of the pre/post match pressers. The last time they did get an interview granted most of it was devoted to the bbc. Their poor communications is a sure sign all is not well. |
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Post by swissgas on Nov 13, 2024 15:22:29 GMT
You’ve just posted this on the other forum. “Now we have an opportunity for some investors to come in, give us some direction, ideas, backing and importantly some football expertise but we'd rather stick up for and applaude the illiterate ability of a mid 20 year old and his post graduate uni mates with his UEFA C licence cousin because they want to play real life championship manager because daddy can pay the bills.” I’ve got a couple of questions for you. If these investors were to take control from the Al- Saeeds would Wael remain as a shareholder and director or would he be swept out as well ? Does this group of footballers have the experience and resources to undertake a major stadium and training ground redevelopment project ? As I understand it, they would be taking Wael's shareholding and 25 % of the AS shares should they still want skin in the game. Hussain has refused the offer. Hussain has made an offer to Wael as there is an agreement that the AS have a first option on Wael's shareholding should he want to sell and An offer has been made to Wael of a partial purchase of shares on a 6 monthly basis for Wael to exit by end of season 2026. If that process has already started, could that be the reason for the change of accounts on CH? The question that raises for me is, why don't the AS just buy Wael out now? I'm assuming they haven't got the money which if that's the case, is even more worrying. Seems to indicate that the AS aren't as rich as we think, they don't have the money to build any part of the stadium and the reason for selling off half the 1/4s is to raise some capital to do something. My main question would be that if you can't afford to purchase the remaining 40% of shares, how much operating capital do you actually have for season to season running and what happens when that runs out? Regarding your stadium and training ground question the Dutch footballers also have an investor behind them who would take control of the club operations and they just want to be involved in the footballing side. Anyway, this post will give you something to screenshot and email Richie Bates with won't it....😉 This sounds like another of Wael's half baked ideas derived from his obsession with celebrities. Is he stirring things up because he thinks a group of footballers taking over would be best for Rovers or is he doing it because he thinks that would be best for him ? Lots of photo opportunities would present themselves if he was left in an honorary Presidential role. If he's doing it because it's in his own personal interests then fair enough but let Gasheads be under no illusions. They were a very good group of footballers but they haven't exactly set the world alight since moving into coaching. And their quest to take over a club was fully exposed when they attempted to buy Wycombe Wanderers in 2019. The vision they set out then wasn't particularly inspiring because it sounded like the same old story we hear all the time about player development, academy, modern coaching methods etc etc. The Wycombe Trust didn't buy into that and preferred the acumen of businessman and lawyer Rob Couhig especially because, when it was still in the negotiation stage, he could come to their rescue with a £500K emergency loan whereas the footballers and their mysterious backer couldn't. Wael's stated modus operandi is "randomness" and I expect the group of footballers would follow the same principle. If you read what they have written even recently about their intentions it's very clear they want full control of any club they buy which means their whole emphasis will be on "the football" with the business operations and financial control coming in a poor second which we know is a recipe for disaster. Whereas Rob Couhig at Wycombe put the emphasis first on running the business so that even with attendances 40% less than Rovers they have easily outperformed us on the field over the last four years whilst their financial performance has been 25% better than ours. As a result of this success Wycombe put themselves in a position where they were an attractive proposition for a new billionaire owner to buy and to develop further. I know which option I'd prefer for Rovers. |
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 13, 2024 17:53:09 GMT
Conspiracy theories I absolutely love
Unfounded rumours I hate
Keyboard warriors I detest and hate
I want fans to support the club attend matches refrain from criticising the entire playing staff
I want so called fans to stop calling for Taylor to be sacked.
I want constructive criticism and solutions to problems at the Mem.
I want cash as an alternative for use at the Mem. It would boost 50/50 sales
I want ticketmaster contract to be terminated.
I want the club to print a matchday programme maybe 11 pages at £3.
I want the brightness turned down on the perimeter advertising boards.
I want the under 18s team to join the Wonens team and
play at the Mem.
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 13, 2024 18:05:23 GMT
Conspiracy theories I absolutely love Unfounded rumours I hate Keyboard warriors I detest and hate I want fans to support the club attend matches refrain from criticising the entire playing staff I want so called fans to stop calling for Taylor to be sacked. I want constructive criticism and solutions to problems at the Mem. I want cash as an alternative for use at the Mem. It would boost 50/50 sales I want ticketmaster contract to be terminated. I want the club to print a matchday programme maybe 11 pages at £3. I want the brightness turned down on the perimeter advertising boards. I want the under 18s team to join the Wonens team and play at the Mem. Just to explode the internet, I’ll state that that reads like an agenda for change |
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JeffNZ
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Post by JeffNZ on Nov 13, 2024 18:46:30 GMT
Conspiracy theories I absolutely love Unfounded rumours I hate Keyboard warriors I detest and hate I want fans to support the club attend matches refrain from criticising the entire playing staff I want so called fans to stop calling for Taylor to be sacked. I want constructive criticism and solutions to problems at the Mem. I want cash as an alternative for use at the Mem. It would boost 50/50 sales I want ticketmaster contract to be terminated. I want the club to print a matchday programme maybe 11 pages at £3. I want the brightness turned down on the perimeter advertising boards. I want the under 18s team to join the Wonens team and play at the Mem. Just to explode the internet, I’ll state that that reads like an agenda for change In the words of every mum ever: I want doesn’t get. |
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 13, 2024 19:41:13 GMT
Conspiracy theories I absolutely love Unfounded rumours I hate Keyboard warriors I detest and hate I want fans to support the club attend matches refrain from criticising the entire playing staff
I want so called fans to stop calling for Taylor to be sacked.I want constructive criticism and solutions to problems at the Mem. I want cash as an alternative for use at the Mem. It would boost 50/50 sales I want ticketmaster contract to be terminated. I want the club to print a matchday programme maybe 11 pages at £3. I want the brightness turned down on the perimeter advertising boards. I want the under 18s team to join the Wonens team and play at the Mem. Fans were calling for MT to be sacked as the football was so dour, it's like watching GC's team again without JCH upfront or TC in defence!! |
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 13, 2024 19:48:24 GMT
As I understand it, they would be taking Wael's shareholding and 25 % of the AS shares should they still want skin in the game. Hussain has refused the offer. Hussain has made an offer to Wael as there is an agreement that the AS have a first option on Wael's shareholding should he want to sell and An offer has been made to Wael of a partial purchase of shares on a 6 monthly basis for Wael to exit by end of season 2026. If that process has already started, could that be the reason for the change of accounts on CH? The question that raises for me is, why don't the AS just buy Wael out now? I'm assuming they haven't got the money which if that's the case, is even more worrying. Seems to indicate that the AS aren't as rich as we think, they don't have the money to build any part of the stadium and the reason for selling off half the 1/4s is to raise some capital to do something. My main question would be that if you can't afford to purchase the remaining 40% of shares, how much operating capital do you actually have for season to season running and what happens when that runs out? Regarding your stadium and training ground question the Dutch footballers also have an investor behind them who would take control of the club operations and they just want to be involved in the footballing side. Anyway, this post will give you something to screenshot and email Richie Bates with won't it....😉 This sounds like another of Wael's half baked ideas derived from his obsession with celebrities. Is he stirring things up because he thinks a group of footballers taking over would be best for Rovers or is he doing it because he thinks that would be best for him ? Lots of photo opportunities would present themselves if he was left in an honorary Presidential role. If he's doing it because it's in his own personal interests then fair enough but let Gasheads be under no illusions. They were a very good group of footballers but they haven't exactly set the world alight since moving into coaching. And their quest to take over a club was fully exposed when they attempted to buy Wycombe Wanderers in 2019. The vision they set out then wasn't particularly inspiring because it sounded like the same old story we hear all the time about player development, academy, modern coaching methods etc etc. The Wycombe Trust didn't buy into that and preferred the acumen of businessman and lawyer Rob Couhig especially because, when it was still in the negotiation stage, he could come to their rescue with a £500K emergency loan whereas the footballers and their mysterious backer couldn't. Wael's stated modus operandi is "randomness" and I expect the group of footballers would follow the same principle. If you read what they have written even recently about their intentions it's very clear they want full control of any club they buy which means their whole emphasis will be on "the football" with the business operations and financial control coming in a poor second which we know is a recipe for disaster. Whereas Rob Couhig at Wycombe put the emphasis first on running the business so that even with attendances 40% less than Rovers they have easily outperformed us on the field over the last four years whilst their financial performance has been 25% better than ours. As a result of this success Wycombe put themselves in a position where they were an attractive proposition for a new billionaire owner to buy and to develop further. I know which option I'd prefer for Rovers. Assuming there's any truth in the Dutch trio wanting to invest in Rovers, this does awfully like the "American Consortium" rumour again, where have they been for the last 5 years since the Wycombe deal collapsed, as there's a far few club been sold during that time, have they tried to buy a few other clubs and been turned down, if they have, then why is it now a good deal for Rovers? If they exist what are their plans for the Mem or a new stadium, which really is the only way we can become a viable Championship (or better!) side and The Quarters, and how is going to be financed? |
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Post by swissgas on Nov 14, 2024 1:44:21 GMT
This sounds like another of Wael's half baked ideas derived from his obsession with celebrities. Is he stirring things up because he thinks a group of footballers taking over would be best for Rovers or is he doing it because he thinks that would be best for him ? Lots of photo opportunities would present themselves if he was left in an honorary Presidential role. If he's doing it because it's in his own personal interests then fair enough but let Gasheads be under no illusions. They were a very good group of footballers but they haven't exactly set the world alight since moving into coaching. And their quest to take over a club was fully exposed when they attempted to buy Wycombe Wanderers in 2019. The vision they set out then wasn't particularly inspiring because it sounded like the same old story we hear all the time about player development, academy, modern coaching methods etc etc. The Wycombe Trust didn't buy into that and preferred the acumen of businessman and lawyer Rob Couhig especially because, when it was still in the negotiation stage, he could come to their rescue with a £500K emergency loan whereas the footballers and their mysterious backer couldn't. Wael's stated modus operandi is "randomness" and I expect the group of footballers would follow the same principle. If you read what they have written even recently about their intentions it's very clear they want full control of any club they buy which means their whole emphasis will be on "the football" with the business operations and financial control coming in a poor second which we know is a recipe for disaster. Whereas Rob Couhig at Wycombe put the emphasis first on running the business so that even with attendances 40% less than Rovers they have easily outperformed us on the field over the last four years whilst their financial performance has been 25% better than ours. As a result of this success Wycombe put themselves in a position where they were an attractive proposition for a new billionaire owner to buy and to develop further. I know which option I'd prefer for Rovers. Assuming there's any truth in the Dutch trio wanting to invest in Rovers, this does awfully like the "American Consortium" rumour again, where have they been for the last 5 years since the Wycombe deal collapsed, as there's a far few club been sold during that time, have they tried to buy a few other clubs and been turned down, if they have, then why is it now a good deal for Rovers? If they exist what are their plans for the Mem or a new stadium, which really is the only way we can become a viable Championship (or better!) side and The Quarters, and how is going to be financed? I should imagine many Gasheads will be wondering how on earth anyone could think a group of unproven Dutch football coaches is the solution when Rovers are so sorely in need of a sustainable business model, a redeveloped training ground and an improved stadium. |
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Post by laughinggas on Nov 14, 2024 8:27:38 GMT
Assuming there's any truth in the Dutch trio wanting to invest in Rovers, this does awfully like the "American Consortium" rumour again, where have they been for the last 5 years since the Wycombe deal collapsed, as there's a far few club been sold during that time, have they tried to buy a few other clubs and been turned down, if they have, then why is it now a good deal for Rovers? If they exist what are their plans for the Mem or a new stadium, which really is the only way we can become a viable Championship (or better!) side and The Quarters, and how is going to be financed? I should imagine many Gasheads will be wondering how on earth anyone could think a group of unproven Dutch football coaches is the solution when Rovers are so sorely in need of a sustainable business model, a redeveloped training ground and an improved stadium. Depends, ate they the consortium or the face of the consortium? |
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 14, 2024 9:06:40 GMT
If the various reports on here are true, it seems to me that the main reason for not talking to the ‘consortium’ is that it would mean the ASs ceding control (of something they bought only recently)
That’s understandable. It doesn’t really explain why anyone would want Wael out though - his financial contributions must be helping to keep things afloat
Unless Wael wants out, maybe, but that’s a bit odd as he’s sunk so much money in, and remains a Gashead
I’m guessing the ASs think they can get Rovers promoted, and get a share of Championship Sky money (80% of the EFL pot according to a thread at the other place) which, alongside a redeveloped Mem and Quarters, will enable them to pass on a much bigger club than they acquired
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Post by irenestoyboy on Nov 14, 2024 10:09:06 GMT
Assuming there's any truth in the Dutch trio wanting to invest in Rovers, this does awfully like the "American Consortium" rumour again, where have they been for the last 5 years since the Wycombe deal collapsed, as there's a far few club been sold during that time, have they tried to buy a few other clubs and been turned down, if they have, then why is it now a good deal for Rovers? If they exist what are their plans for the Mem or a new stadium, which really is the only way we can become a viable Championship (or better!) side and The Quarters, and how is going to be financed? I should imagine many Gasheads will be wondering how on earth anyone could think a group of unproven Dutch football coaches is the solution when Rovers are so sorely in need of a sustainable business model, a redeveloped training ground and an improved stadium. You can't simply dismiss it as ignorantly as that. Having spent a bit of time reading previous press reports, forum posts from the clubs they have been linked to in the past and trying to get some direct answers too, it seems they are the face of investor(s) who are taking an alternative approach to the business model which is similar to what Wrexham have done. One piece of information I read is that the footballers want to be involved in the football development as opposed to the actual running, assisting and supporting the existing management teams and having some sort of docu-series on coaching existing players on a streaming service. That kind of revenue is largely untapped in football currently with only Wrexham doing it. Admittedly they have Hollywood behind them but just like Drive to Survive for F1, it relies on drama, big games, cup runs and promotions to really pull those numbers and after a while there is only so much of that fans will consume. Looking at their social media feeds they have audiences of well over 2m on multiple platforms. Our current following for the club is 75k so there is potential for monetised growth in that market you'll only get with buddying up to names like that. Then there is what they can offer players on a 1 to 1 level. How that might attract better players with the opportunity to coach with ex world class players. SM now is part a massive part of business and shouldn't be ignored. An astute businessman like yourself Swiss should understand the brand value and reach these people could bring as well as the doors that could open. What the other side of the investment business wise would only be remained to be seen once we know who is involved and what their experience is. It can't be any worse than what we are currently experiencing with someone playing real life championship manager with his cousin and uni mates. You talk about wanting good business acumen's on the board Swiss, something I want too btw, we certainly aren't going to get it with a bunch of post graduate wannabes who are trying to wheel and deal around the industry pissing everyone off in the process. |
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Post by harold on Nov 14, 2024 11:25:15 GMT
Conspiracy theories I absolutely love Unfounded rumours I hate Keyboard warriors I detest and hate I want fans to support the club attend matches refrain from criticising the entire playing staff I want so called fans to stop calling for Taylor to be sacked. I want constructive criticism and solutions to problems at the Mem. I want cash as an alternative for use at the Mem. It would boost 50/50 sales I want ticketmaster contract to be terminated. I want the club to print a matchday programme maybe 11 pages at £3. I want the brightness turned down on the perimeter advertising boards. I want the under 18s team to join the Wonens team and play at the Mem. Just to explode the internet, I’ll state that that reads like an agenda for change |
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Post by swissgas on Nov 14, 2024 14:06:44 GMT
I should imagine many Gasheads will be wondering how on earth anyone could think a group of unproven Dutch football coaches is the solution when Rovers are so sorely in need of a sustainable business model, a redeveloped training ground and an improved stadium. You can't simply dismiss it as ignorantly as that. Having spent a bit of time reading previous press reports, forum posts from the clubs they have been linked to in the past and trying to get some direct answers too, it seems they are the face of investor(s) who are taking an alternative approach to the business model which is similar to what Wrexham have done. One piece of information I read is that the footballers want to be involved in the football development as opposed to the actual running, assisting and supporting the existing management teams and having some sort of docu-series on coaching existing players on a streaming service. That kind of revenue is largely untapped in football currently with only Wrexham doing it. Admittedly they have Hollywood behind them but just like Drive to Survive for F1, it relies on drama, big games, cup runs and promotions to really pull those numbers and after a while there is only so much of that fans will consume. Looking at their social media feeds they have audiences of well over 2m on multiple platforms. Our current following for the club is 75k so there is potential for monetised growth in that market you'll only get with buddying up to names like that. Then there is what they can offer players on a 1 to 1 level. How that might attract better players with the opportunity to coach with ex world class players. SM now is part a massive part of business and shouldn't be ignored. An astute businessman like yourself Swiss should understand the brand value and reach these people could bring as well as the doors that could open. What the other side of the investment business wise would only be remained to be seen once we know who is involved and what their experience is. It can't be any worse than what we are currently experiencing with someone playing real life championship manager with his cousin and uni mates. You talk about wanting good business acumen's on the board Swiss, something I want too btw, we certainly aren't going to get it with a bunch of post graduate wannabes who are trying to wheel and deal around the industry pissing everyone off in the process. Let me sum up your post in a few words. ” It might work” ” It can’t be any worse than what we have now” This is exactly the way decisions are made at Rovers but it’s not been a recipe for success has it ? |
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 14, 2024 14:36:16 GMT
You can't simply dismiss it as ignorantly as that. Having spent a bit of time reading previous press reports, forum posts from the clubs they have been linked to in the past and trying to get some direct answers too, it seems they are the face of investor(s) who are taking an alternative approach to the business model which is similar to what Wrexham have done. One piece of information I read is that the footballers want to be involved in the football development as opposed to the actual running, assisting and supporting the existing management teams and having some sort of docu-series on coaching existing players on a streaming service. That kind of revenue is largely untapped in football currently with only Wrexham doing it. Admittedly they have Hollywood behind them but just like Drive to Survive for F1, it relies on drama, big games, cup runs and promotions to really pull those numbers and after a while there is only so much of that fans will consume. Looking at their social media feeds they have audiences of well over 2m on multiple platforms. Our current following for the club is 75k so there is potential for monetised growth in that market you'll only get with buddying up to names like that. Then there is what they can offer players on a 1 to 1 level. How that might attract better players with the opportunity to coach with ex world class players. SM now is part a massive part of business and shouldn't be ignored. An astute businessman like yourself Swiss should understand the brand value and reach these people could bring as well as the doors that could open. What the other side of the investment business wise would only be remained to be seen once we know who is involved and what their experience is. It can't be any worse than what we are currently experiencing with someone playing real life championship manager with his cousin and uni mates. You talk about wanting good business acumen's on the board Swiss, something I want too btw, we certainly aren't going to get it with a bunch of post graduate wannabes who are trying to wheel and deal around the industry pissing everyone off in the process. Let me sum up your post in a few words. ” It might work” ” It can’t be any worse than what we have now” This is exactly the way decisions are made at Rovers but it’s not been a recipe for success has it ? Similar to when you were ' on board' 🤔. |
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 14, 2024 15:12:12 GMT
Do Dutch trio and their backers realise what a basket case Rovers are and it will need to find upwards of £50m just to get the Mem and The Quarters up to L1 level?
Just having a social media presence isn't going to come up with that type of money, you have to sense Wael is like an excited kid and just jumps from one idea to the next without giving it any real thought or proper due diligence.
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