|
Post by baldrick on Sept 9, 2024 21:46:29 GMT
I think you are going down a boy of a rabbit hole here (fwiw I've no interest in changing the Constitutional arrangements) but Carsley wasn't making a political statement as far as I can tell, nor was he courting publicity (it was a question posed by a journalist on the side), he simply doesn't sing. GSTQ/K is the UK national anthem with the other Home nations choosing their own. England doesn't technically have one and I'd be more interested in what it could be, be that Jerusalem, I vow to thee my country, Land of Hope and Glory or whatever. I was actually addressing points raised by other posters. GSTQ is not technically the anthem but the proof is in the pudding (i.e, in the widespread singing), and this will remain the case until another one (and btw, Jerusalem is even more of a dirge) is instead sung by our supporters. The vast majority of people want this to remain the case, which is presumably related to the fact that the vast majority of people see no reason to create an alternative constitutional arrangement. Remember the millennium dome, that pointless dome of earth in central London and/or the hideous Paris opening olympics ceremony? This is what happens when you try to do away with national culture, history and tradition without anything to replace it. Lee was born in Birmingham and decided that he identified more strongly with Ireland. Good for you - now go and manage them instead, and let's see if Eddie can sing a better tune, or preferably one at all... Paris was fine but not a patch on London 2012 and at least we didn't have to borrow singers and sports stars. 😁 My dad is a proud Englishman but even he said he wished he had an Icelandic grandparent so he could play international football.
|
|
|
Post by Bamber Gashead on Sept 10, 2024 12:25:31 GMT
Does anyone know what the official attendance was?
|
|
|
Post by baselswh on Sept 10, 2024 12:40:29 GMT
Does anyone know what the official attendance was? 11,196.
|
|
|
Post by Bamber Gashead on Sept 10, 2024 12:44:37 GMT
|
|
|
Post by baselswh on Sept 10, 2024 13:00:53 GMT
|
|
eppinggas
Administrator
Ian Alexander
Don't care
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 8,486
|
Post by eppinggas on Sept 10, 2024 16:47:13 GMT
|
|
|
Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Sept 10, 2024 18:21:12 GMT
I was actually addressing points raised by other posters. GSTQ is not technically the anthem but the proof is in the pudding (i.e, in the widespread singing), and this will remain the case until another one (and btw, Jerusalem is even more of a dirge) is instead sung by our supporters. The vast majority of people want this to remain the case, which is presumably related to the fact that the vast majority of people see no reason to create an alternative constitutional arrangement. Remember the millennium dome, that pointless dome of earth in central London and/or the hideous Paris opening olympics ceremony? This is what happens when you try to do away with national culture, history and tradition without anything to replace it. Lee was born in Birmingham and decided that he identified more strongly with Ireland. Great - so go and manage them instead. Let's now see if Eddie can sing a better tune, or preferably one at all... I disagree with you entirely - but different strokes and all that. Culture evolves but so many people fear change. That’s why they refer to identity of the past and seeking to preserve it las if it was some sort of idyll. Little Englanders grinding their stone axes
|
|
|
Post by rideintothesun on Sept 10, 2024 19:09:34 GMT
I disagree with you entirely - but different strokes and all that. Culture evolves but so many people fear change. That’s why they refer to identity of the past and seeking to preserve it las if it was some sort of idyll. Little Englanders grinding their stone axes You don't think that England was a better country was a better country for the vast majority of the population in the 1970s? I would argue it was actually far more progressive in many respects. On things like feminism and race relations, attitudes were changing and the possibility of a better, more equal society was still very real. I think if you look at the UK today, you see the opposite. The NHS is in its worst state since its foundation, social care is non-existent, and law and order have essentially collapsed in parts of the country. British society is increasingly divided along economic, racial and political fault-lines. So no, I don't think it is little Englanders clinging to the past. Things were better in many, although obviously not all, respects.
|
|
|
Post by baldrick on Sept 10, 2024 19:22:28 GMT
Little Englanders grinding their stone axes You don't think that England was a better country was a better country for the vast majority of the population in the 1970s? I would argue it was actually far more progressive in many respects. On things like feminism and race relations, attitudes were changing and the possibility of a better, more equal society was still very real. I think if you look at the UK today, you see the opposite. The NHS is in its worst state since its foundation, social care is non-existent, and law and order have essentially collapsed in parts of the country. British society is increasingly divided along economic, racial and political fault-lines. So no, I don't think it is little Englanders clinging to the past. Things were better in many, although obviously not all, respects. We are straying way off topic, although for what it's worth and as someone who has lived through the 70s, 80s onwards, I'd much rather be around today with possibly one exception. Oh, and still playing at Eastville. 👍
|
|
|
Post by Bamber Gashead on Sept 10, 2024 21:33:06 GMT
Apparently Yorkshire post has: Attendance: 9,325 (337 Bristol Rovers supporters)
|
|