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Post by baldrick on Oct 11, 2024 12:50:30 GMT
You have greater faith in current politicians of all spectrums to do that with honesty, integrity and respecting the rule of international law and agreements that we have signed up to Nobby. What rights in the ECHR do you feel need changing? I am no lawyer, so I'm not getting into that world thank you very much. Look at the current judges n the ECHR. Judges of the Court In order of precedence as at 16/09/2024 Marko Bošnjak Slovenia President Gabriele Kucsko-Stadlmayer Austria Vice-President Arnfinn Bårdsen Norway Vice-President Pere Pastor Vilanova Andorra Section President Mattias Guyomar France Section President Ivana Jelić Montenegro Section President Krzysztof Wojtyczek Poland Judge Faris Vehabović Bosnia and Herzegovina Judge Armen Harutyunyan Armenia Judge Stéphanie Mourou-Vikström Monaco Judge Alena Poláčková Slovak Republic Judge Pauliine Koskelo Finland Judge Georgios Serghides Cyprus Judge Tim Eicke United Kingdom Judge Lətif Hüseynov Azerbaijan Judge Jovan Ilievski North Macedonia Judge Jolien Schukking Netherlands Judge Péter Paczolay Hungary Judge Lado Chanturia Georgia Judge María Elósegui Spain Judge Gilberto Felici San Marino Judge Darian Pavli Albania Judge Erik Wennerström Sweden Judge Raffaele Sabato Italy Judge Saadet Yüksel Türkiye Judge Lorraine Schembri Orland Malta Judge Anja Seibert-Fohr Germany Judge Peeter Roosma Estonia Judge Ana Maria Guerra Martins Portugal Judge Ioannis Ktistakis Greece Judge Andreas Zünd Switzerland Judge Frédéric Krenc Belgium Judge Diana Sârcu Republic of Moldova Judge Kateřina Šimáčková Czech Republic Judge Davor Derenčinović Croatia Judge Mykola Gnatovskyy Ukraine Judge Oddný Mjöll Arnardóttir Iceland Judge Anne Louise Bormann Denmark Judge Sebastian Rădulețu Romania Judge Diana Kovatcheva Bulgaria Judge Gediminas Sagatys Lithuania Judge Stéphane Pisani Luxembourg Judge Úna Ní Raifeartaigh Ireland Judge Alain Chablais Liechtenstein Judge Artūrs Kučs Latvia Judge Mateja Đurović Serbia Judge" I would prefer a British Judge, in a British Court, to make decisions that affect our country. One per country. You don't have to be a lawyer to express an opinion though. The other week I asked if anyone objected in principle to agreeing a limited mobility agreement with the EU, similar to that with Australia for example. You quite rightly said you would want more details before agreeing or not. On this, though, you seem quite sanguine about leaving without knowing what the pros and cons would be.
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Post by lostinspace on Oct 11, 2024 15:52:35 GMT
Ms Rachel Reeves, Labour party C o The Exchequer,along with her party have refused a FOI request from the financial Times to ask her for details as the the so called £22 million " hole in the financial coffers" 🤔
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Post by oldie on Oct 11, 2024 17:30:49 GMT
Ms Rachel Reeves, Labour party C o The Exchequer,along with her party have refused a FOI request from the financial Times to ask her for details as the the so called £22 million " hole in the financial coffers" 🤔 It's already in the public domain. The IFS stated back in March that the numbers do not add up.
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 11, 2024 17:45:26 GMT
Ms Rachel Reeves, Labour party C o The Exchequer,along with her party have refused a FOI request from the financial Times to ask her for details as the the so called £22 million " hole in the financial coffers" 🤔 That's because there is no 22 billion black hole. It's made up. If there was one they'd have no problem proving/ showing it as it would help their argument. The fact they refuse to release any details just shows that they are lying.
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 11, 2024 17:54:12 GMT
Honestly, you have to wonder at the sheer ineptitude of these Labour politicians. "It’s not just a few Labour MPs using employment practices the party wants to ban through its “Make Work Pay” push. If you trawl through job adverts for Cabinet Ministers it turns out that almost all of them have specifically violated their own stated policy on employment rights and “insecure work.” One rule for them as usual… 16 Cabinet Ministers including Reeves, Cooper, Miliband, and Lammy have hired roles which include working outside of regular hours and on the weekend. SpAds and staffers will be furious they don’t have the “Right to Switch Off”… 7 Cabinet Ministers including Rayner, Streeting and Kendall have hired on “insecure” fixed-term contracts. 6 Cabinet Ministers including Lammy, McFadden, and Darren Jones, have hired with long probation periods. The bête noire of Labour’s employment rights plans… Dodds, Hermer, and Angela Smith are the only Cabinet Ministers who haven’t hired using these nefarious practices. That’s 86% of the Cabinet. It’s almost like arbitrary restrictions on voluntary working arrangements are a bad idea…" Tut tut eh!
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Post by oldie on Oct 11, 2024 18:13:47 GMT
Ms Rachel Reeves, Labour party C o The Exchequer,along with her party have refused a FOI request from the financial Times to ask her for details as the the so called £22 million " hole in the financial coffers" 🤔 That's because there is no 22 billion black hole. It's made up. If there was one they'd have no problem proving/ showing it as it would help their argument. The fact they refuse to release any details just shows that they are lying. In the budget in March they set aside 2% for public sector pay increases. That was never going to happen, would have invoked a wave of industrial action which would have cost the economy far more than the 5% average award
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 11, 2024 18:13:54 GMT
And the final one for today......How Labour/Rayner cocked up a 1 billion pound investment. "And to cap it all, the Dubai owner of P&O was about to invest £1 BILLION GBP's into expanding a container hub in London Gateway Port and then Rayner rocks up and tells the owner she doesn't approve of his employment ethics - Now he's pulled the plug!!! No more £1 BILLION investment - She really is as thick as mince..." "Labour’s vaunted International Investment Summit is losing steam before it even starts. Rayner and Haigh have put their foot in it… Dubai-based DP World, which owns P&O Ferries, has paused plans to invest a whopping £1 billion in its London Gateway container port after getting heated criticism from Labour cabinet ministers. Haigh and Rayner have called P&O a “rogue operator” in a press release which accused its hiring of foreign workers as a “national scandal.” Released right before the big summit’s kick off on Sunday – no wonder Rayner has been snubbed from hosting it… Downing Street says the summit will act as a “reset” after a disastrous first 100 days. DP World’s chairman Ahmed bin Sulayem will now miss the event and pull the £1 billion. How’s “letting the cabinet ministers do their own thing” going then, Keir? UPDATE: Labour tries to save the situation by saying its official press release of two days ago doesn’t “reflect the government view.” Uh-huh…" Yep, let's pay for everything by growing the economy. It doesn't seem to be going very well.
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Post by oldie on Oct 11, 2024 19:59:39 GMT
"We are closing the legal loophole that P&O Ferries exploited when they sacked almost 800 dedicated seafarers and replaced them with low paid agency workers and we are requiring operators to pay the equivalent of National Minimum Wage in UK waters. Make no mistake – this is good for workers and good for business." Isn't it? Or are we beholden to employers who practice Victorian employment practices?
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Post by trymer on Oct 12, 2024 8:17:43 GMT
It's quite unnerving how easy some are willing to give up rights and freedoms when a snake oil salesman tells them the answer to a complex domestic problem is easy and caused by foreigners. Let's hope you become a nervous wreck then and we leave the ECHR. 🇬🇧 Cant be better than the day after the Brexit vote,lefties having complete meltdowns,they were like overgrown toddlers having a temper tantrum...a glorious day and a very happy memory...
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 12, 2024 8:32:19 GMT
"We are closing the legal loophole that P&O Ferries exploited when they sacked almost 800 dedicated seafarers and replaced them with low paid agency workers and we are requiring operators to pay the equivalent of National Minimum Wage in UK waters. Make no mistake – this is good for workers and good for business." Isn't it? Or are we beholden to employers who practice Victorian employment practices? There is the problem right there. ""We are closing the legal loophole that P&O Ferries exploited when they sacked.....". This legislation was started by the Tories. It is coming in. A senior politician should have been aware of this and kept their big gobs shut and taken the investment in the knowledge that it won't happen again. Rayner is famous for saying that when she was a union rep she liked to "give it to the management". She has to realize that now, she is the management. I can't believe you are defending these two idiots, Rayner and Haigh.
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Post by oldie on Oct 12, 2024 9:30:57 GMT
"We are closing the legal loophole that P&O Ferries exploited when they sacked almost 800 dedicated seafarers and replaced them with low paid agency workers and we are requiring operators to pay the equivalent of National Minimum Wage in UK waters. Make no mistake – this is good for workers and good for business." Isn't it? Or are we beholden to employers who practice Victorian employment practices? There is the problem right there. ""We are closing the legal loophole that P&O Ferries exploited when they sacked.....". This legislation was started by the Tories. It is coming in. A senior politician should have been aware of this and kept their big gobs shut and taken the investment in the knowledge that it won't happen again. Rayner is famous for saying that when she was a union rep she liked to "give it to the management". She has to realize that now, she is the management. I can't believe you are defending these two idiots, Rayner and Haigh. I get the "Real Politics" and the judicious move would be keep quiet, get the laws passed and move on with the investment into the Port. I think however that although there was outrage back 2022 when the sackings of over 700 people occured, even by people like Grant Schapps, the then Transport Secretary who promised to change the law to prevent this happening again, nothing was actually done. In France they went further "It said it had revised crew rotations as directed by French legislation which meant it was “no longer practical to employ crew from outside Europe in large numbers, due to travel time and the requirements of the immigration system”. I don't think we, as a country, should be cowed by the promises of large sums of money seeking a home, particularly when that emanates from fascist (Theocratic) States whose records on human rights and treatment of their own nationals is appalling. Dubai Ports World (DP World) is run out of Dubai whose ruler (unelected) Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, has a net worth in the region of $16 billion. His government-owned enterprises include Emirates airline, DP World and the Jumeirah Group. So on balance, yes we should name and shame. When it comes to immigration there is much shouting around assimilation into our culture, can we honestly say this guy has?
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Post by baldrick on Oct 12, 2024 11:50:47 GMT
There is the problem right there. ""We are closing the legal loophole that P&O Ferries exploited when they sacked.....". This legislation was started by the Tories. It is coming in. A senior politician should have been aware of this and kept their big gobs shut and taken the investment in the knowledge that it won't happen again. Rayner is famous for saying that when she was a union rep she liked to "give it to the management". She has to realize that now, she is the management. I can't believe you are defending these two idiots, Rayner and Haigh. I get the "Real Politics" and the judicious move would be keep quiet, get the laws passed and move on with the investment into the Port. I think however that although there was outrage back 2022 when the sackings of over 700 people occured, even by people like Grant Schapps, the then Transport Secretary who promised to change the law to prevent this happening again, nothing was actually done. In France they went further "It said it had revised crew rotations as directed by French legislation which meant it was “no longer practical to employ crew from outside Europe in large numbers, due to travel time and the requirements of the immigration system”. I don't think we, as a country, should be cowed by the promises of large sums of money seeking a home, particularly when that emanates from fascist (Theocratic) States whose records on human rights and treatment of their own nationals is appalling. Dubai Ports World (DP World) is run out of Dubai whose ruler (unelected) Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, has a net worth in the region of $16 billion. His government-owned enterprises include Emirates airline, DP World and the Jumeirah Group. So on balance, yes we should name and shame. When it comes to immigration there is much shouting around assimilation into our culture, can we honestly say this guy has? Just the parent company throwing its weight around, trying to put the government 'in its place' so to speak after the public rebuke. They'll be back again no doubt.
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Post by oldie on Oct 12, 2024 12:11:47 GMT
I get the "Real Politics" and the judicious move would be keep quiet, get the laws passed and move on with the investment into the Port. I think however that although there was outrage back 2022 when the sackings of over 700 people occured, even by people like Grant Schapps, the then Transport Secretary who promised to change the law to prevent this happening again, nothing was actually done. In France they went further "It said it had revised crew rotations as directed by French legislation which meant it was “no longer practical to employ crew from outside Europe in large numbers, due to travel time and the requirements of the immigration system”. I don't think we, as a country, should be cowed by the promises of large sums of money seeking a home, particularly when that emanates from fascist (Theocratic) States whose records on human rights and treatment of their own nationals is appalling. Dubai Ports World (DP World) is run out of Dubai whose ruler (unelected) Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, has a net worth in the region of $16 billion. His government-owned enterprises include Emirates airline, DP World and the Jumeirah Group. So on balance, yes we should name and shame. When it comes to immigration there is much shouting around assimilation into our culture, can we honestly say this guy has? Just the parent company throwing its weight around, trying to put the government 'in its place' so to speak after the public rebuke. They'll be back again no doubt. I tend to agree
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Post by oldie on Oct 12, 2024 12:15:17 GMT
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 13, 2024 19:33:14 GMT
The Telegraph screaming headline - Starmer removes paintings of Queen Elizabeth I and Sir Walter Raleigh from No 10
www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/starmer-removes-paintings-of-queen-elizabeth-i-and-sir-walter-raleigh-from-no-10/ar-AA1sc0m7?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W037&cvid=ec722c90a6de4408b5f15685542a2b95&ei=19
Early paragraph - Sir Keir Starmer has taken down portraits of Elizabeth I and Sir Walter Raleigh that were on display in Downing Street, The Telegraph can reveal. The paintings of the last Tudor monarch and the famous explorer of the Americas were previously on the walls of a room used for prime ministerial meetings with world leaders. It comes after Sir Keir faced critism [sic] when it emerged he had also removed portraits of William Ewart Gladstone and Margaret Thatcher.Truth later in the article, nothing to do with him! On Sunday night, Downing Street said the changes to the artwork had actually been drawn up under the previous government. A spokesman said: “The change of artwork is long planned, since before the election, and is timed to mark 125 years of the Government Art Collection.”
But back to the illusion - Sir Keir’s decision to replace the portraits of Elizabeth I and Raleigh drew criticism from his political opponents on Sunday. Robert Jenrick, the Conservative leadership hopeful, said: “Elizabeth I was one of our most iconic female leaders. She’s a hero I love to talk to my daughters about.
Someone tell Bobby his mob decreed it! Just like Cleverly and Chagos. Deny you had anything to do with the decisions. The headline readers who get no further than paragraph one will be having apoplexy. Yet the truth is far from obvious. The pearl clutching Home Counties set will see it as another attack by the left on the nation. If this is the best that the non dom billionaire owned propagandists can come up with, no wonder this country is screwed. Next up - Telegraph - Will Keir Starmer kill the cathedral choir? Labour’s VAT raid on private schools could destroy a 1,000-year legacy of priceless choral education – it would be a crime against culture Truth back in 2020 - www.spectator.co.uk/article/westminster-cathedral-s-musical-heritage-is-under-threat/
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Post by baldrick on Oct 13, 2024 22:41:43 GMT
The Telegraph screaming headline - Starmer removes paintings of Queen Elizabeth I and Sir Walter Raleigh from No 10
www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/starmer-removes-paintings-of-queen-elizabeth-i-and-sir-walter-raleigh-from-no-10/ar-AA1sc0m7?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W037&cvid=ec722c90a6de4408b5f15685542a2b95&ei=19
Early paragraph - Sir Keir Starmer has taken down portraits of Elizabeth I and Sir Walter Raleigh that were on display in Downing Street, The Telegraph can reveal. The paintings of the last Tudor monarch and the famous explorer of the Americas were previously on the walls of a room used for prime ministerial meetings with world leaders. It comes after Sir Keir faced critism [sic] when it emerged he had also removed portraits of William Ewart Gladstone and Margaret Thatcher.Truth later in the article, nothing to do with him! On Sunday night, Downing Street said the changes to the artwork had actually been drawn up under the previous government. A spokesman said: “The change of artwork is long planned, since before the election, and is timed to mark 125 years of the Government Art Collection.”
But back to the illusion - Sir Keir’s decision to replace the portraits of Elizabeth I and Raleigh drew criticism from his political opponents on Sunday. Robert Jenrick, the Conservative leadership hopeful, said: “Elizabeth I was one of our most iconic female leaders. She’s a hero I love to talk to my daughters about.
Someone tell Bobby his mob decreed it! Just like Cleverly and Chagos. Deny you had anything to do with the decisions. The headline readers who get no further than paragraph one will be having apoplexy. Yet the truth is far from obvious. The pearl clutching Home Counties set will see it as another attack by the left on the nation. If this is the best that the non dom billionaire owned propagandists can come up with, no wonder this country is screwed. Next up - Telegraph - Will Keir Starmer kill the cathedral choir? Labour’s VAT raid on private schools could destroy a 1,000-year legacy of priceless choral education – it would be a crime against culture Truth back in 2020 - www.spectator.co.uk/article/westminster-cathedral-s-musical-heritage-is-under-threat/ True, something I alluded to a bit ago. Both Conservatives and Labour refused to sanction a loan to Harland and Wolff in Belfast this year, it now looks like it'll go and be bought out by a Spanish ship builder, together with it's subsidiaries in Devon and Scotland. Cue headlines about Starmer allowing warships to be built by (or even in!!) Spain.
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Post by baldrick on Oct 13, 2024 22:54:56 GMT
I didn't see the programme today, was this really the exchange?
Laura Kuenssberg: “Business confidence, according to some measures, has fallen”
*30 seconds later*
Charlie Nunn, CEO of Lloyd’s Banking Group: “Business confidence is at a nine year high”
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Post by oldie on Oct 14, 2024 4:54:48 GMT
I didn't see the programme today, was this really the exchange? Laura Kuenssberg: “Business confidence, according to some measures, has fallen” *30 seconds later* Charlie Nunn, CEO of Lloyd’s Banking Group: “Business confidence is at a nine year high” Mr Nunn certainly said that, he also cited better consumer confidence and a desire to utilise his groups £200 billion in pension assets for Investment
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Post by francegas on Oct 14, 2024 6:39:13 GMT
I didn't see the programme today, was this really the exchange? Laura Kuenssberg: “Business confidence, according to some measures, has fallen” *30 seconds later* Charlie Nunn, CEO of Lloyd’s Banking Group: “Business confidence is at a nine year high” Although Lloyds’ findings paint a bullish outlook for the UK economy, another influential survey suggested a downtick in sentiment and rise in uncertainty among top executives. Deloitte’s latest poll of UK chief financial officers found that corporate confidence edged lower in the third quarter of 2024, following a strong bounce after the general election. A net six per cent of finance chiefs said they felt more optimistic about the financial prospects of their businesses now than three months ago, when the reading was net 23 per cent. Still, confidence is running above the long-term average of net negative one per cent. Almost a third (31 per cent) of CFOs rated the level of external financial and economic uncertainty facing their business as “high or very high”, compared to 23 per cent last quarter. So Laura Kuenssberg wasn't wrong in what she said.
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Post by oldie on Oct 14, 2024 7:15:50 GMT
I didn't see the programme today, was this really the exchange? Laura Kuenssberg: “Business confidence, according to some measures, has fallen” *30 seconds later* Charlie Nunn, CEO of Lloyd’s Banking Group: “Business confidence is at a nine year high” Although Lloyds’ findings paint a bullish outlook for the UK economy, another influential survey suggested a downtick in sentiment and rise in uncertainty among top executives. Deloitte’s latest poll of UK chief financial officers found that corporate confidence edged lower in the third quarter of 2024, following a strong bounce after the general election. A net six per cent of finance chiefs said they felt more optimistic about the financial prospects of their businesses now than three months ago, when the reading was net 23 per cent. Still, confidence is running above the long-term average of net negative one per cent. Almost a third (31 per cent) of CFOs rated the level of external financial and economic uncertainty facing their business as “high or very high”, compared to 23 per cent last quarter. So Laura Kuenssberg wasn't wrong in what she said. Is it raining or is it cloudy? 🤭🤭🤭
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