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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 9, 2024 10:26:49 GMT
This is how propaganda works - www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/chancellor-s-ni-raid-claims-first-victim-we-made-it-through-covid-but-cannot-survive-this-government/ar-AA1tMpwL?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=2453d121068449399a3bf257859af78a&ei=49Company claims to be closing down because of increase to Employer's NI and raise in minimum wage [happening next year]. Surprise, surprise, he is outsourcing production to India or China, shock, horror. States that '“I was born in the 1960s and grew up in a council house,” he said. “I was from a poor background and we suffered under Labour’s power cuts and the three-day week in the 1970s.'Both of those happened under a Conservative Government led by Ted Heath. He uses the usual excuse of the youth of today not wanting to work -“That’s the main difference between then [Thatcher era] and now. No one cares about convincing the young to work hard and they don’t want to work hard either.”Oh look, he has closed a factory previously and outsourced to China indirectly employing 500 people there.... And no job losses, the employees are going to do different things for the company. What about the costs for that? I have dealt with plenty of companies that are a success in the UK. Last year, I helped a company with finance who supply Jaguar and other manufacturers in the UK. The company can produce quality goods using both manual labour and robotics and produce as required under Just in Time agreements. No excuses, just getting on producing high quality goods working with hard working staff. There are plenty of other companies like that. It's just like the lame excuses people like Brexiteer Dyson used after Brexit to move production to Singapore. Like Ryanair blaming the Government as their reason for cutting routes and then a few days announcing reduced profits. Wouldn't it be nice to have some honesty and integrity. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 9, 2024 10:46:40 GMT
No he hasn't....as he stated ,Sheer Khan has been prompted to supply ' illegal immigrants ' with free travel passes within the London area, as until they are either processed in being allowed to stay or being removed from the country.... nothing is given at this moment,but it is suggested,and as you have already stated there are certain people who live in London that already get free transport ( eg: school kids up to 18 years I believe and pensioners) Ok Link to this story? |
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Post by oldie on Nov 9, 2024 10:48:05 GMT
This is how propaganda works - www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/chancellor-s-ni-raid-claims-first-victim-we-made-it-through-covid-but-cannot-survive-this-government/ar-AA1tMpwL?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=2453d121068449399a3bf257859af78a&ei=49Company claims to be closing down because of increase to Employer's NI and raise in minimum wage [happening next year]. Surprise, surprise, he is outsourcing production to India or China, shock, horror. States that '“I was born in the 1960s and grew up in a council house,” he said. “I was from a poor background and we suffered under Labour’s power cuts and the three-day week in the 1970s.'Both of those happened under a Conservative Government led by Ted Heath. He uses the usual excuse of the youth of today not wanting to work -“That’s the main difference between then [Thatcher era] and now. No one cares about convincing the young to work hard and they don’t want to work hard either.”Oh look, he has closed a factory previously and outsourced to China indirectly employing 500 people there.... And no job losses, the employees are going to do different things for the company. What about the costs for that? I have dealt with plenty of companies that are a success in the UK. Last year, I helped a company with finance who supply Jaguar and other manufacturers in the UK. The company can produce quality goods using both manual labour and robotics and produce as required under Just in Time agreements. No excuses, just getting on producing high quality goods working with hard working staff. There are plenty of other companies like that. It's just like the lame excuses people like Brexiteer Dyson used after Brexit to move production to Singapore. Like Ryanair blaming the Government as their reason for cutting routes and then a few days announcing reduced profits. Wouldn't it be nice to have some honesty and integrity. Honesty and Integrity Emmmm |
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Post by oldie on Nov 9, 2024 10:53:24 GMT
No he hasn't....as he stated ,Sheer Khan has been prompted to supply ' illegal immigrants ' with free travel passes within the London area, as until they are either processed in being allowed to stay or being removed from the country.... nothing is given at this moment,but it is suggested,and as you have already stated there are certain people who live in London that already get free transport ( eg: school kids up to 18 years I believe and pensioners) So It's a suggestion from the London Assembly, not the current government. "The London Assembly has urged mayor Sadiq Khan to consider ways of helping asylum seekers with their public transport costs. Asylum seekers, waiting to hear from the Home Office whether they will be granted refugee status or be sent back to the country they came from, live on as little as £8.86 per week. They are usually unable to work and are not allowed to claim benefits either." Context, who would have it. Not Reform supporting types who would conflate any tit bit to feed their inherent prejudices |
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 9, 2024 12:06:14 GMT
No he hasn't....as he stated ,Sheer Khan has been prompted to supply ' illegal immigrants ' with free travel passes within the London area, as until they are either processed in being allowed to stay or being removed from the country.... nothing is given at this moment,but it is suggested,and as you have already stated there are certain people who live in London that already get free transport ( eg: school kids up to 18 years I believe and pensioners) So It's a suggestion from the London Assembly, not the current government. "The London Assembly has urged mayor Sadiq Khan to consider ways of helping asylum seekers with their public transport costs. Asylum seekers, waiting to hear from the Home Office whether they will be granted refugee status or be sent back to the country they came from, live on as little as £8.86 per week. They are usually unable to work and are not allowed to claim benefits either." Context, who would have it. Not Reform supporting types who would conflate any tit bit to feed their inherent prejudices NOW THAT YOU HAVE READ IT, you can jump off your high horse and stop thinking that because all ' news sources' don't come from your select outlets it ain't necessarily so.... arrogant wassock |
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Post by oldie on Nov 9, 2024 19:01:00 GMT
So It's a suggestion from the London Assembly, not the current government. "The London Assembly has urged mayor Sadiq Khan to consider ways of helping asylum seekers with their public transport costs. Asylum seekers, waiting to hear from the Home Office whether they will be granted refugee status or be sent back to the country they came from, live on as little as £8.86 per week. They are usually unable to work and are not allowed to claim benefits either." Context, who would have it. Not Reform supporting types who would conflate any tit bit to feed their inherent prejudices NOW THAT YOU HAVE READ IT, you can jump off your high horse and stop thinking that because all ' news sources' don't come from your select outlets it ain't necessarily so.... arrogant wassock I am sure that means something to someone and is relevant to the topic. But carry on |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 11, 2024 13:44:26 GMT
I bet 2TK is excited at the prospect of a trade deal with Trump and the USA.
Just as a good old Globalist ought.
I heard a daft rumour that some Globalists think the globe ends at EU borders.
Haha!
Imagine that!🙂
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Post by baldrick on Nov 11, 2024 14:09:25 GMT
I bet 2TK is excited at the prospect of a trade deal with Trump and the USA. Just as a good old Globalist ought. I heard a daft rumour that some Globalists think the globe ends at EU borders. Haha! Imagine that!🙂 Depends on the terms, if one is possible at all. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 11, 2024 14:23:56 GMT
I bet 2TK is excited at the prospect of a trade deal with Trump and the USA. Just as a good old Globalist ought. I heard a daft rumour that some Globalists think the globe ends at EU borders. Haha! Imagine that!🙂 The Brexiteers told us at the time of voting that a trade deal with the USA was simple and guaranteed. It never happened. We are a small bit player compared to the USA, EU, China. Trump wants to add between 20% and 100% tariffs to imports. That will not help the UK at all. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 11, 2024 14:47:52 GMT
I bet 2TK is excited at the prospect of a trade deal with Trump and the USA. Just as a good old Globalist ought. I heard a daft rumour that some Globalists think the globe ends at EU borders. Haha! Imagine that!🙂 The Brexiteers told us at the time of voting that a trade deal with the USA was simple and guaranteed. It never happened. We are a small bit player compared to the USA, EU, China. Trump wants to add between 20% and 100% tariffs to imports. That will not help the UK at all. If he does slap us with a minimum 10% tariff on our exports, I will wait for the nationalists and Trump supporters on here try and explain that one. |
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Post by baldrick on Nov 11, 2024 15:09:56 GMT
The Brexiteers told us at the time of voting that a trade deal with the USA was simple and guaranteed. It never happened. We are a small bit player compared to the USA, EU, China. Trump wants to add between 20% and 100% tariffs to imports. That will not help the UK at all. If he does slap us with a minimum 10% tariff on our exports, I will wait for the nationalists and Trump supporters on here try and explain that one. Nigel will get us preferential terms and if he doesn't, it's the fault of 2TK and Remainiacs. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 11, 2024 16:16:55 GMT
The Brexiteers told us at the time of voting that a trade deal with the USA was simple and guaranteed. It never happened. We are a small bit player compared to the USA, EU, China. Trump wants to add between 20% and 100% tariffs to imports. That will not help the UK at all. If he does slap us with a minimum 10% tariff on our exports, I will wait for the nationalists and Trump supporters on here try and explain that one. What do you mean explain that one? What do we need to explain? What don't you understand? Trump has ran on making his country better again,not ours.If that impacts us so be it.I don't want it to happen ,nor am I encouraging it - but it will be up to two tier Starmer and his group of wallys to react accordingly. Personally I think Trump is going to hit us hard, and all created from Starmer and Lammy calling Trump Hitler. This country is truly broken. To see Starmer yesterday and today was truely disgusting. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 11, 2024 18:03:26 GMT
If he does slap us with a minimum 10% tariff on our exports, I will wait for the nationalists and Trump supporters on here try and explain that one. What do you mean explain that one? What do we need to explain? What don't you understand? Trump has ran on making his country better again,not ours.If that impacts us so be it.I don't want it to happen ,nor am I encouraging it - but it will be up to two tier Starmer and his group of wallys to react accordingly. Personally I think Trump is going to hit us hard, and all created from Starmer and Lammy calling Trump Hitler. This country is truly broken. To see Starmer yesterday and today was truely disgusting. Explain why you would support a foreign political entity whose policies may well damage the economic interests of your own country. If Trump does this to us, I shall look forward to you explaining why you supported him in this regard. |
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Post by aghast on Nov 11, 2024 18:54:07 GMT
If he does slap us with a minimum 10% tariff on our exports, I will wait for the nationalists and Trump supporters on here try and explain that one. What do you mean explain that one? What do we need to explain? What don't you understand? Trump has ran on making his country better again,not ours.If that impacts us so be it.I don't want it to happen ,nor am I encouraging it - but it will be up to two tier Starmer and his group of wallys to react accordingly. Personally I think Trump is going to hit us hard, and all created from Starmer and Lammy calling Trump Hitler. This country is truly broken. To see Starmer yesterday and today was truely disgusting. Are you suggesting that tariffs are increasing on UK goods sent to the USA because of Starmer and Lammy? That appears to be what you say. "Personally I think Trump is going to hit us hard, and all created from Starmer and Lammy calling Trump Hitler" And are you suggesting that either: a) the UK will be harder hit than other countries? or b) the UK would have been exempt or favoured were it not for Starmer and Lammy? If it turns out that import tariffs are applied across European goods equally, what will you say to that? |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 11, 2024 18:54:49 GMT
What do you mean explain that one? What do we need to explain? What don't you understand? Trump has ran on making his country better again,not ours.If that impacts us so be it.I don't want it to happen ,nor am I encouraging it - but it will be up to two tier Starmer and his group of wallys to react accordingly. Personally I think Trump is going to hit us hard, and all created from Starmer and Lammy calling Trump Hitler. This country is truly broken. To see Starmer yesterday and today was truely disgusting. Explain why you would support a foreign political entity whose policies may well damage the economic interests of your own country. If Trump does this to us, I shall look forward to you explaining why you supported him in this regard. I never said ANY of that,so you are lying and my words are written above for all to see. Where the hell did I say that I would support it? I stated that I DON'T!!! want him to do hit us hard, but I UNDERSTOOD if he did after our LYING,desitful prime minister and his clowns put us in that position with Trump by him calling Trump racist,bigoted sexist and facist! |
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Post by oldie on Nov 11, 2024 19:01:25 GMT
Explain why you would support a foreign political entity whose policies may well damage the economic interests of your own country. If Trump does this to us, I shall look forward to you explaining why you supported him in this regard. I never said ANY of that,so you are lying and my words are written above for all to see. Where the hell did I say that I would support it? I stated that I DON'T!!! want him to do hit us hard, but I UNDERSTOOD if he did after our LYING,desitful prime minister and his clowns put us in that position with Trump by him calling Trump racist,bigoted sexist and facist! You can run, but you cannot hide. A cornerstone of Trump's economic policies was to impose Tariffs on imports. He stated almost from day one. And you supported him. So when he hits us with tariffs on our exports to the USA you can explain to the companies who have to take the hit. It's fair enough isn't it? Have the bollox to stand by what you promoted? |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 11, 2024 19:10:16 GMT
What do you mean explain that one? What do we need to explain? What don't you understand? Trump has ran on making his country better again,not ours.If that impacts us so be it.I don't want it to happen ,nor am I encouraging it - but it will be up to two tier Starmer and his group of wallys to react accordingly. Personally I think Trump is going to hit us hard, and all created from Starmer and Lammy calling Trump Hitler. This country is truly broken. To see Starmer yesterday and today was truely disgusting. Are you suggesting that tariffs are increasing on UK goods sent to the USA because of Starmer and Lammy? That appears to be what you say. "Personally I think Trump is going to hit us hard, and all created from Starmer and Lammy calling Trump Hitler" And are you suggesting that either: a) the UK will be harder hit than other countries? or b) the UK would have been exempt or favoured were it not for Starmer and Lammy? If it turns out that import tariffs are applied across European goods equally, what will you say to that? Good question, but that hasn't happened. It could well happen, and Im not saying it wont.But it's hasn't, so your are talking hypothetically here, and creating another disaster movie in your heads that Trump will cause. I will say tho, as I posted above.He ran on making American great again..not us, or any part of Europe! I supported him based on worldwide security, based on a four year past track record. He is not our president.If he f**ks us over due to Starmers words, then I will not encourage it..or be happy about it, but that will unfortunately be his strategy,or reaction to our worst prime minister ever actions. It's then up to us in the UK, not to vote for these dopey, bigoted and lying fools in our elections. I did my part in the summer to stop him...did you? |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 11, 2024 19:17:58 GMT
I never said ANY of that,so you are lying and my words are written above for all to see. Where the hell did I say that I would support it? I stated that I DON'T!!! want him to do hit us hard, but I UNDERSTOOD if he did after our LYING,desitful prime minister and his clowns put us in that position with Trump by him calling Trump racist,bigoted sexist and facist! You can run, but you cannot hide. A cornerstone of Trump's economic policies was to impose Tariffs on imports. He stated almost from day one. And you supported him. So when he hits us with tariffs on our exports to the USA you can explain to the companies who have to take the hit. It's fair enough isn't it? Have the bollox to stand by what you promoted? Lying again. I never ONCE posted about his tariffs on here, please prove that I did? - I never supported one! I also got questioned on this by you twice, and said I wasn't interested in American domestic politics, only his policies on international safety. I've been consistent, and not irrational with my views in regards to Trump. Btw...my history button is above to prove me otherwise if you can't find it.👍 |
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Post by trymer on Nov 11, 2024 19:18:35 GMT
I wanted Trump to win because I think that he will bring peace to a World in turmoil, if he puts tariff's up ( for the whole World not just Britain) thats very sad but a small price to pay for our children and grandchildren to live in safety.
I do think that Trump might take revenge on the labour politicians who abused him,sadly that will affect the rest of us in Britain too.
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Post by aghast on Nov 11, 2024 19:21:28 GMT
Are you suggesting that tariffs are increasing on UK goods sent to the USA because of Starmer and Lammy? That appears to be what you say. "Personally I think Trump is going to hit us hard, and all created from Starmer and Lammy calling Trump Hitler" And are you suggesting that either: a) the UK will be harder hit than other countries? or b) the UK would have been exempt or favoured were it not for Starmer and Lammy? If it turns out that import tariffs are applied across European goods equally, what will you say to that? Good question, but that hasn't happened. It could well happen, and Im not saying it wont.But it's hasn't, so your are talking hypothetically here, and creating another disaster movie in your heads that Trump will cause. I will say tho, as I posted above.He ran on making American great again..not us, or any part of Europe! I supported him based on worldwide security, based on a four year past track record. He is not our president.If he f**ks us over due to Starmers words, then I will not encourage it..or be happy about it, but that will unfortunately be his strategy,or reaction to our worst prime minister ever actions. It's then up to us in the UK, not to vote for these dopey, bigoted and lying fools in our elections. I did my part in the summer to stop him...did you? I'm not creating anything in my head. Let's break it down in stages. You said "Personally I think Trump is going to hit us hard, and all created from Starmer and Lammy calling Trump Hitler" So, assuming what you think will happen actually happens, do you think the UK will be hit harder than other countries, the same as other countries, or less hard than other countries? |
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