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Post by oldie on Jun 27, 2024 19:33:47 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Jun 27, 2024 21:31:19 GMT
People are angry and they've had enough. I imagine that canvasser will be sacked. The Police should take down the LGB etc flags and emblems from their cars. No worse than eg right on Brown,when leaving the mic on after a woman dared ask about I think it was immigration. Etc. You're obsessed with Farage and Reform because so far at least they are an incredible success. Little pc,right on,anti free speech cage well and truly rattled. Vote Reform. 🇬🇧
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 28, 2024 7:08:54 GMT
Reform are a small party just starting out. I think they only have something like five full-time staff. They don't have the massive resources of Labour or the Tories. They don't have a 'central office' etc, so yes, there will be idiots attached to them but as they are found they are booted out. It will take time to develop the party. What have Labour done about the racist that is Dianne Abbott? How long was Keith Vaz allowed to continue in the Labour Party? Idiots do attached themselves to political parties but that doesn't mean the whole party reflects their views. Find them, kick them out, from whatever party. It's pretty juvenile to attempt to discredit a whole party on the views of just one man.
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 28, 2024 7:54:06 GMT
Labour's Kier Starmer speaks to BBC Breakfast..Edited by Nadia Ragozhina and Marita Moloneyichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/1454/live/e819a650-3522-11ef-bbe0-29f79e992ddd.jpgStarmer begins by noting it's the last few days of campaigning "after many weeks on the road". He says his "energy levels good, we're campaigning with a smile, with a spring in our step". He has been working for four and a half years to get to this point, he says. Starmer is asked about what he could have done better as a leader. He says there's always things to be done better, and he's pressed to give some examples. The Labour leader says "every single vote has to be earned. We've got another six days to go, and it is very important to make the argument that if you want change you have to vote for it," he adds. He says that it will either be five more years of what the country has had for the last 14 years, "with nothing to be changed" or "we can choose a different path to start rebuilding the country with Labour". It's put to the Labour leader that people still don't feel like they know what the "full picture of him" would be as prime minister - he's asked if that's a valid complaint. Starmer says he took over the Labour Party after losing the 2019 general election, and at the time, he said he'd make it a "changed party". He continues by saying he dealt with antisemitism in the party "ruthlessly" and changed Labour to "put country first and party second". Starmer adds that his party now campaigns as "changed Labour" and would govern as "changed Labour". The Labour leader is seeking to reassure the public that his party is trustworthy, and its manifesto is fully funded. "Every single thing in the Labour manifesto is fully costed", Starmer says, because people are still paying the price for "unfunded commitments like those Liz Truss made". He says his number one objective is stabilising the economy. ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/6/28/cf23ad7e-eb55-4bda-a9ea-da09eebb59e1.jpgStarmer continues to be pushed on the phrase he uses frequently, that his manifesto is "fully funded and fully costed", but it's put to him that he'll either have to borrow more, cut public spending or increase taxes, if Labour gets into government. He responds by saying that assumptions "made by the IFS (Institute for Fiscal Studies) and others" are based on growth staying broadly as it is. "I don't accept that," he says. He adds that he has a carefully thought out plan for growth, rather than a hope for it. For context: The IFS, a leading think tank, has warned that the UK's main political parties have “ducked” addressing stark choices over public finances in their manifestos and it will be a "considerable surprise" if taxes are not increased over the next five years. The interview with Starmer moves to immigration, and he's asked if he will process asylum claims of people who arrive by illegal routes. He says "yes", and when asked how, he says through the system "that's been in place for years" where people who claimed asylum were processed. "What's happened under this government is they have stopped processing the claims," he says, claiming there are now 50,000 who are here but not being processed and so can't be returned. "It would take 300 years to send them to Rwanda if you're sending a few hundred a year," he claims. It's put to him that it sounds like he's saying that if someone arrives illegally, they will be treated in the same way as someone who comes legally - where is the deterrent? The deterrent "lies in smashing the gangs", Starmer says, questioning if "not processing the claims" is "operating as a deterrent".
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Post by francegas on Jun 28, 2024 8:48:07 GMT
Lot of rumours floating around about this. It appears Channel 4 MAY have used an actor who had a part in Holby City. It could also be total coincidence of course. Not supporting any of the language or views aired but seems odd that Channel 4 would show this one week before the election. If you went undercover in any political party in the UK you will find unsavoury characters with radical views.
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Post by oldie on Jun 28, 2024 9:02:18 GMT
Reform are a small party just starting out. I think they only have something like five full-time staff. They don't have the massive resources of Labour or the Tories. They don't have a 'central office' etc, so yes, there will be idiots attached to them but as they are found they are booted out. It will take time to develop the party. What have Labour done about the racist that is Dianne Abbott? How long was Keith Vaz allowed to continue in the Labour Party? Idiots do attached themselves to political parties but that doesn't mean the whole party reflects their views. Find them, kick them out, from whatever party. It's pretty juvenile to attempt to discredit a whole party on the views of just one man. If it was just one man that last sentence would be true. It's not. Whilst all members and supporters of Reform are not ignorant racists, Reform is the party that all ignorant racists will vote for. Then you have the stupidity of Farage...would I want to be associated with any of that? I don't think so.
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Post by oldie on Jun 28, 2024 9:03:30 GMT
Lot of rumours floating around about this. It appears Channel 4 MAY have used an actor who had a part in Holby City. It could also be total coincidence of course. Not supporting any of the language or views aired but seems odd that Channel 4 would show this one week before the election. If you went undercover in any political party in the UK you will find unsavoury characters with radical views. What?
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 28, 2024 9:11:21 GMT
Reform are a small party just starting out. I think they only have something like five full-time staff. They don't have the massive resources of Labour or the Tories. They don't have a 'central office' etc, so yes, there will be idiots attached to them but as they are found they are booted out. It will take time to develop the party. What have Labour done about the racist that is Dianne Abbott? How long was Keith Vaz allowed to continue in the Labour Party? Idiots do attached themselves to political parties but that doesn't mean the whole party reflects their views. Find them, kick them out, from whatever party. It's pretty juvenile to attempt to discredit a whole party on the views of just one man.And THAT is how desperate the MSM are to discredit Reform. BBC ran an article about all the 'wrong uns' in Reform, having trawled through all the candidates social media posts over the last few years. There were some pretty vile comments, and I'm not defending them. Just waiting for the BBC to do the same for all Labour, Conservative, LibDems, SNP and Green candidates. No, not a chance. The MSM bias against Reform reflects how genuinely worried the establishment is about the only party that wants to smash the disastrous status quo of a once proud nation. A nation that is now on it knees and in danger of losing it's very identity due to uncontrolled mass immigration. The good news is the public aren't buying it any more. Reform last three polls - 17%, 18%, 16%. All hail Nigel Farage. He's proud to be British. So am I. Buy that man a pint.
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Post by baselswh on Jun 28, 2024 9:22:57 GMT
Lot of rumours floating around about this. It appears Channel 4 MAY have used an actor who had a part in Holby City. It could also be total coincidence of course. Not supporting any of the language or views aired but seems odd that Channel 4 would show this one week before the election. If you went undercover in any political party in the UK you will find unsavoury characters with radical views. Someone should go undercover at Channel 4,the BBC etc. As has been posted,Reform and Farage has the little darling right ons worried.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 28, 2024 9:45:40 GMT
Reform are a small party just starting out. I think they only have something like five full-time staff. They don't have the massive resources of Labour or the Tories. They don't have a 'central office' etc, so yes, there will be idiots attached to them but as they are found they are booted out. It will take time to develop the party. What have Labour done about the racist that is Dianne Abbott? How long was Keith Vaz allowed to continue in the Labour Party? Idiots do attached themselves to political parties but that doesn't mean the whole party reflects their views. Find them, kick them out, from whatever party. It's pretty juvenile to attempt to discredit a whole party on the views of just one man. If it was just one man that last sentence would be true. It's not. Whilst all members and supporters of Reform are not ignorant racists, Reform is the party that all ignorant racists will vote for.Then you have the stupidity of Farage...would I want to be associated with any of that? I don't think so. That line in BOLD is just rank stupidity Oldie. It's no different to the line used during the Brexit debate of "not all Brexiteers are racist, but all racists are Brexiteers". Haven't you got any other six form throw away comments to come out with? PS - So who is Dianne Abbott going to vote for then? and if you want to see a racist just look at the Labour candidate who is standing against Farage in Clacton. If a white person had said some of the things he has said, he/she would be hounded out! You really should stop trying to tar everyone with the same brush.
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Post by oldie on Jun 28, 2024 9:51:00 GMT
If it was just one man that last sentence would be true. It's not. Whilst all members and supporters of Reform are not ignorant racists, Reform is the party that all ignorant racists will vote for.Then you have the stupidity of Farage...would I want to be associated with any of that? I don't think so. That line in BOLD is just rank stupidity Oldie. It's no different to the line used during the Brexit debate of "not all Brexiteers are racist, but all racists are Brexiteers". Haven't you got any other six form throw away comments to come out with? PS - So who is Dianne Abbott going to vote for then? and if you want to see a racist just look at the Labour candidate who is standing against Farage in Clacton. If a white person had said some of the things he has said, he/she would be hounded out! You really should stop trying to tar everyone with the same brush. So Who do you think ignorant racists will vote for?
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Post by baselswh on Jun 28, 2024 10:57:04 GMT
That line in BOLD is just rank stupidity Oldie. It's no different to the line used during the Brexit debate of "not all Brexiteers are racist, but all racists are Brexiteers". Haven't you got any other six form throw away comments to come out with? PS - So who is Dianne Abbott going to vote for then? and if you want to see a racist just look at the Labour candidate who is standing against Farage in Clacton. If a white person had said some of the things he has said, he/she would be hounded out! You really should stop trying to tar everyone with the same brush. So Who do you think ignorant racists will vote for? Labour for one.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 28, 2024 11:08:18 GMT
That line in BOLD is just rank stupidity Oldie. It's no different to the line used during the Brexit debate of "not all Brexiteers are racist, but all racists are Brexiteers". Haven't you got any other six form throw away comments to come out with? PS - So who is Dianne Abbott going to vote for then? and if you want to see a racist just look at the Labour candidate who is standing against Farage in Clacton. If a white person had said some of the things he has said, he/she would be hounded out! You really should stop trying to tar everyone with the same brush. So Who do you think ignorant racists will vote for? I haven't got a clue and I would be so presumptuous to make a guess.
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Post by baselswh on Jun 28, 2024 11:29:50 GMT
Eg.
Antisemites vote Labour unless one of their own mad eyed screamers stands for election.Eg,Leeds Green nutter.
Whitey hating blacks and antisemites will vote for Abbott and Labour.
Not everyone that votes as I suggest above,are racist.Just to be clear.
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Post by baselswh on Jun 28, 2024 13:14:11 GMT
Lot of rumours floating around about this. It appears Channel 4 MAY have used an actor who had a part in Holby City. It could also be total coincidence of course. Not supporting any of the language or views aired but seems odd that Channel 4 would show this one week before the election. If you went undercover in any political party in the UK you will find unsavoury characters with radical views. What? Apparently this Reform 'activist' bears an uncanny likeness to an actor. There's an investigation going on and if this bloke is shown to be acting in part of a set up, then Farage will come after him ,the production company and Channel 4 for putting it out there days before a general election.
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Post by baselswh on Jun 28, 2024 14:48:37 GMT
MRP Poll.19,000 people took part.
Reform to win 18 seats.
Reform to win 18% of all votes.
Incredible if it happens on the day.
There's something happening.
Vote Reform.
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 28, 2024 18:00:18 GMT
MRP Poll.19,000 people took part. Reform to win 18 seats. Reform to win 18% of all votes. Incredible if it happens on the day. There's something happening. Vote Reform. 🇬🇧 Sadly 18% of the vote can't possibly equate to 18 seats. It's 1 nailed on, 2 further where it's neck and neck. Beyond that, can't see any other breakthroughs. Great Yarmouth, Rochdale - Reform are some way off. But I would love to see further seats going to Reform. Even though it would cost me me money!
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Post by ltdgas on Jun 28, 2024 18:25:48 GMT
Apparently this Reform 'activist' bears an uncanny likeness to an actor. There's an investigation going on and if this bloke is shown to be acting in part of a set up, then Farage will come after him ,the production company and Channel 4 for putting it out there days before a general election. Some Tory saying reform cannot now be allowed to run in the election , apparently sunak is in deep shock 😂😂, the labour bloke wasn’t so keen on them not standing surprisingly. All this a week before the election , what a suprise .
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Post by oldie on Jun 28, 2024 19:06:57 GMT
Apparently this Reform 'activist' bears an uncanny likeness to an actor. There's an investigation going on and if this bloke is shown to be acting in part of a set up, then Farage will come after him ,the production company and Channel 4 for putting it out there days before a general election. If C4 did that I would be shocked and they would be in deep trouble with OFCOM. I don't believe it, this smells of "misdirection" to divert from the realities of Reform's support base
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Post by baselswh on Jun 28, 2024 20:35:24 GMT
Apparently this Reform 'activist' bears an uncanny likeness to an actor. There's an investigation going on and if this bloke is shown to be acting in part of a set up, then Farage will come after him ,the production company and Channel 4 for putting it out there days before a general election. If C4 did that I would be shocked and they would be in deep trouble with OFCOM. I don't believe it, this smells of "misdirection" to divert from the realities of Reform's support base CH4 might be innocent,the production company may of fooled them.Perhaps.
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