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Post by oldie on Jun 4, 2024 9:12:59 GMT
Yep, he was heavily involved. He was on the payroll of the law firm conducting the prosecutions as well. Ed Davey effectively went 'missing' once it all came out in the open. What a disastrous coalition that was
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 4, 2024 9:27:45 GMT
Thankfully IF Starmer gets to the end of one term the EU will be falling apart and quite possibly fighting on its borders...even remainiacs wont want to rejoin in those circumstances. An interesting perception. Do you think if EU Zone countries are fighting on their eastern borders we, the UK won't be joining in, given the NATO membership clauses? If it's a NATO action then yes, we would be part of it.
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Post by ltdgas on Jun 4, 2024 9:31:23 GMT
Yep , we should certainly be looking after the most vulnerable , for once well said Lib Dem’s "looking after the most vulnerable" What like Post Office Sub-masters who were wrongly accused of fraud and allowed to go to prison - even when everyone knew there was a problem with the Horizon software? Where was the Postal Minister, why did he do NOTHING to help these people? There were suicides. Lives were destroyed. Innocent people were sent to prison. The Postal Minister complicit with the biggest failing in British legal history was... ED DAVEY. Careful with that vote now. I’ve said Epping I’m voting reform , but do think anything helping the vulnerable is good , though point on post office taken
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Post by ltdgas on Jun 4, 2024 9:39:32 GMT
L/d now saying they’d pay carers £2 above the min wage , whats that , £13.50 ph ? Doesnt sound much to me ,can’t see that rate encouraging many to go into the care sector But anything I guess is better than nothing
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Post by oldie on Jun 4, 2024 10:21:23 GMT
L/d now saying they’d pay carers £2 above the min wage , whats that , £13.50 ph ? Doesnt sound much to me ,can’t see that rate encouraging many to go into the care sector But anything I guess is better than nothing Which brings us nicely back to Reform and immigration policies. Last year we granted 83,000 visas to immigrants to work in the care sector. Now Farage and Reform want to stop that. What happens to the elderly and vulnerable the ?
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Post by oldie on Jun 4, 2024 10:30:44 GMT
An interesting perception. Do you think if EU Zone countries are fighting on their eastern borders we, the UK won't be joining in, given the NATO membership clauses? If it's a NATO action then yes, we would be part of it. But it will be a NATO action if any member State is attacked
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 4, 2024 10:39:12 GMT
L/d now saying they’d pay carers £2 above the min wage , whats that , £13.50 ph ? Doesnt sound much to me ,can’t see that rate encouraging many to go into the care sector But anything I guess is better than nothing Which brings us nicely back to Reform and immigration policies. Last year we granted 83,000 visas to immigrants to work in the care sector. Now Farage and Reform want to stop that. What happens to the elderly and vulnerable the ? Reform are saying that they would introduce a one in, one out migration policy. This means that approx. 600,000 immigrants will be allowed in every year. Farage doesn't want to stop immigration. Stop believing the nonsense from the MSM and actually listen to what Reform say.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 4, 2024 10:43:47 GMT
If it's a NATO action then yes, we would be part of it. But it will be a NATO action if any member State is attacked Many options out there that could happen. For example, what if Russia suddenly get a major breakthrough and start advancing across Ukraine. At this point Ukraine may look like it will fall. This may cause Poland to intervene. Poland could declare that their actions are independent and outside of the NATO remit, meaning that NATO does not have to invoke Article 5 when Poland commits to war. Obviously Poland would prefer the whole of NATO to intervene but what if politics gets in the way to stop that?
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Post by oldie on Jun 4, 2024 10:51:27 GMT
Which brings us nicely back to Reform and immigration policies. Last year we granted 83,000 visas to immigrants to work in the care sector. Now Farage and Reform want to stop that. What happens to the elderly and vulnerable the ? Reform are saying that they would introduce a one in, one out migration policy. This means that approx. 600,000 immigrants will be allowed in every year. Farage doesn't want to stop immigration. Stop believing the nonsense from the MSM and actually listen to what Reform say. Even if they could administer that, in practical terms,(which they cannot) how would that work? Care company applies for immigrant visa to fill a vacancy. Government says no, you have to join a queue until a slot is available. In the meantime Mrs Hughes, who is housebound, becomes very unwell because there nobody to assist her. Farage himself has said that his policies may well cause Labour shortages. He then claimed this will force employers to recruit and pay more for local people. Who is going to pay for that?
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Post by oldie on Jun 4, 2024 10:52:46 GMT
But it will be a NATO action if any member State is attacked Many options out there that could happen. For example, what if Russia suddenly get a major breakthrough and start advancing across Ukraine. At this point Ukraine may look like it will fall. This may cause Poland to intervene. Poland could declare that their actions are independent and outside of the NATO remit, meaning that NATO does not have to invoke Article 5 when Poland commits to war. Obviously Poland would prefer the whole of NATO to intervene but what if politics gets in the way to stop that? If course, but we diverge to far away from Trymer's assertion which was just wrong.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 4, 2024 11:01:27 GMT
Reform are saying that they would introduce a one in, one out migration policy. This means that approx. 600,000 immigrants will be allowed in every year. Farage doesn't want to stop immigration. Stop believing the nonsense from the MSM and actually listen to what Reform say. Even if they could administer that, in practical terms,(which they cannot) how would that work? Care company applies for immigrant visa to fill a vacancy. Government says no, you have to join a queue until a slot is available. In the meantime Mrs Hughes, who is housebound, becomes very unwell because there nobody to assist her. Farage himself has said that his policies may well cause Labour shortages. He then claimed this will force employers to recruit and pay more for local people. Who is going to pay for that? It probably won't be black & white Oldie. Nobody expects a system where someone is waiting to come in but they can't until Bob & Martha retire to Spain. "Farage himself has said that his policies may well cause Labour shortages. He then claimed this will force employers to recruit and pay more for local people. Who is going to pay for that?" - Employers. Is there a problem with employers training people and paying them more money? The cheap immigrants are driving down the wages.
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Post by oldie on Jun 4, 2024 11:09:28 GMT
Even if they could administer that, in practical terms,(which they cannot) how would that work? Care company applies for immigrant visa to fill a vacancy. Government says no, you have to join a queue until a slot is available. In the meantime Mrs Hughes, who is housebound, becomes very unwell because there nobody to assist her. Farage himself has said that his policies may well cause Labour shortages. He then claimed this will force employers to recruit and pay more for local people. Who is going to pay for that? It probably won't be black & white Oldie. Nobody expects a system where someone is waiting to come in but they can't until Bob & Martha retire to Spain. "Farage himself has said that his policies may well cause Labour shortages. He then claimed this will force employers to recruit and pay more for local people. Who is going to pay for that?" - Employers. Is there a problem with employers training people and paying them more money? The cheap immigrants are driving down the wages. Do you think there is enough elasticity in care providers margins for that? There is certainly not the funding in local authority budgets meet demand now let alone if we start driving up the cost base. I always find it amazing how statements like this Farage always fall at the first hurdle under challenge
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 4, 2024 13:17:41 GMT
It probably won't be black & white Oldie. Nobody expects a system where someone is waiting to come in but they can't until Bob & Martha retire to Spain. "Farage himself has said that his policies may well cause Labour shortages. He then claimed this will force employers to recruit and pay more for local people. Who is going to pay for that?" - Employers. Is there a problem with employers training people and paying them more money? The cheap immigrants are driving down the wages. Do you think there is enough elasticity in care providers margins for that? There is certainly not the funding in local authority budgets meet demand now let alone if we start driving up the cost base. I always find it amazing how statements like this Farage always fall at the first hurdle under challenge Who are the Care Providers? In many cases it's private companies, who make huge profits. Germany, France, Holland and Belgium all fact the exact same problem, and those are just the ones that I know of. Farage is not "falling at the first hurdle when challenged". We all know that the NHS and Social Care need complete reform. As long as we try to stick a plaster over the gaping wound then nothing will change. The whole way it works plus the funding, needs to be addressed, but it never will because nobody in Labour or the Tory parties have the bottle to address it. We have what, 4 million 'inactive' people in the UK. Why should we import cheap labour and then pay to keep people at home doing nothing?
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 4, 2024 13:30:41 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/1440/cpsprodpb/3A3A/production/_133360941_88980a13-4ec5-420f-8fb3-9819adaef75f.jpgThe Conservatives pledge to cap the number of visas available to migrants each year if they win the election on 4th July The independent Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) would recommend a number, which Parliament would vote on The cap would apply to worker and family visas and not on "temporary work routes" When pressed to put a number on an acceptable migration total, Cleverly says it would be up to the MAC Earlier, new Reform UK leader Nigel Farage said net migration - the difference between people leaving and arriving - should be zero Labour's Yvette Cooper says the Tories' announcement is "meaningless" as the party has overseen trebled net migration since the last election
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 4, 2024 13:33:21 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jun 4, 2024 13:50:47 GMT
Judging by your response I am assuming you don't know and Reform have not articulated any number.
This is one view
"Richard Stebles, head of business intelligence at carehome.co.uk, the UK’s leading care home reviews site, said: “This drop in the number of care homes reflects the tough challenges that the sector faced in 2022.
“Following the daunting adversity of the pandemic across 2020 and 2021, care homes are now assailed with sky high costs in 2022: energy bills have soared and recruitment in the post-Brexit environment remains tricky, leading to a reliance on more costly agency staff. The financial pressures have sadly caused many providers to collapse.”
Let's cut the available Labour pool then, that makes sens
For example
"The UK’s care sector is facing a workforce crisis. Low pay, poor working conditions and job insecurity has resulted in more than 100,000 unfilled roles"
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"The problems facing social care are deep-rooted. Some stem from the decade of austerity that began in 2010, which cut council budgets to the bone and left them unable to fully respond to rising demands for support."
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"There were also warnings of staff shortages ahead of Brexit, when the care sector relied on EU nationals. “Shutting off the ‘relief valve’ of EU migration,” the Nuffield Trust said, “put additional pressure” on a system that didn’t have an effective way to train and keep British care workers."
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"The industry has yet to recover. In 2022-23 alone, about 130,000 people left care work."
So the new Leader of Reform, interviewed on R4 this morning, said the problem was immigration and that whole swathes of areas, like Oldham, there are populations that don't speak English. "How do you know" he was asked "Because I heard them talking" he replied. "But they could be bilingual" was the response. He then went into his familiar rant about 'Brits feel uncomfortable when they hear people speaking another language"
Do your children speak German he was asked (his wife is German I believe)
"I am not answering that"
Of course you won't.🤡
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 4, 2024 14:15:55 GMT
Judging by your response I am assuming you don't know and Reform have not articulated any number. This is one view "Richard Stebles, head of business intelligence at carehome.co.uk, the UK’s leading care home reviews site, said: “This drop in the number of care homes reflects the tough challenges that the sector faced in 2022. “Following the daunting adversity of the pandemic across 2020 and 2021, care homes are now assailed with sky high costs in 2022: energy bills have soared and recruitment in the post-Brexit environment remains tricky, leading to a reliance on more costly agency staff. The financial pressures have sadly caused many providers to collapse.” Let's cut the available Labour pool then, that makes sens For example "The UK’s care sector is facing a workforce crisis. Low pay, poor working conditions and job insecurity has resulted in more than 100,000 unfilled roles" And "The problems facing social care are deep-rooted. Some stem from the decade of austerity that began in 2010, which cut council budgets to the bone and left them unable to fully respond to rising demands for support." And "There were also warnings of staff shortages ahead of Brexit, when the care sector relied on EU nationals. “Shutting off the ‘relief valve’ of EU migration,” the Nuffield Trust said, “put additional pressure” on a system that didn’t have an effective way to train and keep British care workers." Then "The industry has yet to recover. In 2022-23 alone, about 130,000 people left care work." So the new Leader of Reform, interviewed on R4 this morning, said the problem was immigration and that whole swathes of areas, like Oldham, there are populations that don't speak English. "How do you know" he was asked "Because I heard them talking" he replied. "But they could be bilingual" was the response. He then went into his familiar rant about 'Brits feel uncomfortable when they hear people speaking another language" Do your children speak German he was asked (his wife is German I believe) "I am not answering that" Of course you won't.🤡 No politician should have to answer questions about their family/children. Why do you label him a clown for not answering a stupid question?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 4, 2024 14:20:45 GMT
It's become a bit of a false election now. We know that Labour will win. The only thing we don't know is just what majority they will get. The real battle is for second place. Nobody expects Reform to get any/many seats because of the First Past The Post system, however their vote share may well be the footing they need to progress. They are not really looking at this election, but the next one. The real question is just how low will the Tories go.
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Post by oldie on Jun 4, 2024 15:34:44 GMT
It's become a bit of a false election now. We know that Labour will win. The only thing we don't know is just what majority they will get. The real battle is for second place. Nobody expects Reform to get any/many seats because of the First Past The Post system, however their vote share may well be the footing they need to progress. They are not really looking at this election, but the next one. The real question is just how low will the Tories go. That may well be right. I hope that Reform attracts enough votes to warrant having the light shone on them. That and the oxygen of reality is what will kill them.
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Post by oldie on Jun 4, 2024 15:36:08 GMT
Judging by your response I am assuming you don't know and Reform have not articulated any number. This is one view "Richard Stebles, head of business intelligence at carehome.co.uk, the UK’s leading care home reviews site, said: “This drop in the number of care homes reflects the tough challenges that the sector faced in 2022. “Following the daunting adversity of the pandemic across 2020 and 2021, care homes are now assailed with sky high costs in 2022: energy bills have soared and recruitment in the post-Brexit environment remains tricky, leading to a reliance on more costly agency staff. The financial pressures have sadly caused many providers to collapse.” Let's cut the available Labour pool then, that makes sens For example "The UK’s care sector is facing a workforce crisis. Low pay, poor working conditions and job insecurity has resulted in more than 100,000 unfilled roles" And "The problems facing social care are deep-rooted. Some stem from the decade of austerity that began in 2010, which cut council budgets to the bone and left them unable to fully respond to rising demands for support." And "There were also warnings of staff shortages ahead of Brexit, when the care sector relied on EU nationals. “Shutting off the ‘relief valve’ of EU migration,” the Nuffield Trust said, “put additional pressure” on a system that didn’t have an effective way to train and keep British care workers." Then "The industry has yet to recover. In 2022-23 alone, about 130,000 people left care work." So the new Leader of Reform, interviewed on R4 this morning, said the problem was immigration and that whole swathes of areas, like Oldham, there are populations that don't speak English. "How do you know" he was asked "Because I heard them talking" he replied. "But they could be bilingual" was the response. He then went into his familiar rant about 'Brits feel uncomfortable when they hear people speaking another language" Do your children speak German he was asked (his wife is German I believe) "I am not answering that" Of course you won't.🤡 No politician should have to answer questions about their family/children. Why do you label him a clown for not answering a stupid question? Because he shouldn't be talking as if being bilingual is a problem in the first place
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