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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 24, 2024 9:38:39 GMT
Charlton Athletic have sacked Michael Appleton after a 12 match winless run in charge after dismissing Dean Hooden earlier this season.
Appleton only been at the Valley four months
We should try snd get Alfie May again as we need a goalscorer.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 24, 2024 10:16:49 GMT
Charlton Athletic have sacked Michael Appleton after a 12 match winless run in charge after dismissing Dean Hooden earlier this season. Appleton only been at the Valley four months We should try snd get Alfie May again as we need a goalscorer. Probably missed the boat on Alfie May. £250k in the summer looked good business for Charlton. 16 goals in 25 games would surely see his value rise significantly. And at 30 he's hardly one for the future. I'm not expecting much in the January window. |
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Post by texasgas on Jan 24, 2024 10:22:17 GMT
Charlton Athletic have sacked Michael Appleton after a 12 match winless run in charge after dismissing Dean Hooden earlier this season. Appleton only been at the Valley four months We should try snd get Alfie May again as we need a goalscorer. Didn’t he already turn down a move here last summer? |
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Post by lostinspace on Jan 24, 2024 10:26:13 GMT
isn't this the problem with clubs who [possibly because of their recent past] think they are better than they think they are and are entitled to be in a higher league than they currently are... this....because they "currently" are just not good enough to be anywhere else!!
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jan 24, 2024 10:59:40 GMT
Friend of mine lives in Rugeley,Staffs,and is employed by a rival EFL club to watch his employers next opponents and do a full report on their;formations ,strengths ,weaknesses etc.Not sure if we have anything similar?
Recall getting a call from Roy Dolling when I lived up there asking if I could recommend any young players near me.Not my scene but I did recommend Tony Hemmings who played for Rocester( near Alton Towers) who later signed for Wycombe.Think our organisation isn't as thorough as it could be.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 24, 2024 12:19:59 GMT
Alfie May is tied up for a year or two on bang bang monies ....I doubt we would consider breaking the bank for someone it wouldn't matter as we're not going anywhere?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jan 24, 2024 13:05:13 GMT
Currently the Barton faithful on social media are having a meltdown.
Best manager should never have been sacked, best squad would have got us promoted under Barton, Taylor another Tisdale and should be sacked, manager clueless .....
Window not even closed yet and they want Taylor gone.
Remember when they told us all that we needed to get behind Barton the manager when we got relegated.
Matt Taylor has a real uphill struggle to face with this lot.
A very sad state of affairs.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 24, 2024 13:19:19 GMT
Currently the B***** faithful on social media are having a meltdown. Best manager should never have been sacked, best squad would have got us promoted under B*****, Taylor another Tisdale and should be sacked, manager clueless ..... Window not even closed yet and they want Taylor gone. Remember when they told us all that we needed to get behind B***** the manager when we got relegated. Matt Taylor has a real uphill struggle to face with this lot. A very sad state of affairs. I am positive that the problems are much more to do with the owner/majority shareholder. I think even our previous manager would have walked |
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 24, 2024 13:25:05 GMT
Currently the B***** faithful on social media are having a meltdown. Best manager should never have been sacked, best squad would have got us promoted under B*****, Taylor another Tisdale and should be sacked, manager clueless ..... Window not even closed yet and they want Taylor gone. Remember when they told us all that we needed to get behind B***** the manager when we got relegated. Matt Taylor has a real uphill struggle to face with this lot. A very sad state of affairs. Matt Taylor can't win with the scouse thug f*cktards. Rovers do well - that's down to the scouse thug, as he brought the players in. Rovers do badly - that's down to getting rid of the scouse thug, who was like are best manager ever. Rovers tread water - that's awful. Nothing to look forward to. No ambition. At least the scouse thug shook things up a bit. What sort of percentage of Rovers support do these people represent? I don't do social media. |
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Post by swissgas on Jan 24, 2024 13:27:12 GMT
Currently the B***** faithful on social media are having a meltdown. Best manager should never have been sacked, best squad would have got us promoted under B*****, Taylor another Tisdale and should be sacked, manager clueless ..... Window not even closed yet and they want Taylor gone. Remember when they told us all that we needed to get behind B***** the manager when we got relegated. Matt Taylor has a real uphill struggle to face with this lot. A very sad state of affairs. A sad state of affairs Chesh but highly predictable. Wael didn’t want to lose control but with finances in a mess he was forced to put the club on the market. Serious buyers with the resources to transform Rovers and build a new stadium weren’t interested because of the state of the club and Wael’s insistence on retaining a substantial stake. So after being advertised for over a year the only people willing to take a chance and comply with Wael’s wishes were the Al- Saeeds. Six months after the deal was completed we are where we are. But at least on Gaschat Irene’s Toy Boy is putting forward his idea of a solution “ Abdullatif Al Saeed. He's losing control, if he ever had any to begin with and if his old man isnt willing to pull him up on it and give him some counsel then a few more fans might make him pay attention “ Meanwhile, Gasheads who have the capacity to think may wish to check out the difference between Administration and Liquidation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2024 13:41:24 GMT
Currently the B***** faithful on social media are having a meltdown. Best manager should never have been sacked, best squad would have got us promoted under B*****, Taylor another Tisdale and should be sacked, manager clueless ..... Window not even closed yet and they want Taylor gone. Remember when they told us all that we needed to get behind B***** the manager when we got relegated. Matt Taylor has a real uphill struggle to face with this lot. A very sad state of affairs. A sad state of affairs Chesh but highly predictable. Wael didn’t want to lose control but with finances in a mess he was forced to put the club on the market. Serious buyers with the resources to transform Rovers and build a new stadium weren’t interested because of the state of the club and Wael’s insistence on retaining a substantial stake. So after being advertised over a year the only people willing to take a chance and comply with Wael’s wishes were the Al- Saeeds. Six months after the deal was completed we are where we are. But at least on Gaschat Irene’s Toy Boy is putting forward his idea of a solution “ Abdullatif Al Saeed. He's losing control, if he ever had any to begin with and if his old man isnt willing to pull him up on it and give him some counsel then a few more fans might make him pay attention “ Meanwhile, Gasheads who have the capacity to think may wish to check out the difference between Administration and Liquidation. I was explaining Admin v Liquidation to a City fan the other day. He didn't realise that his club were the last EFL club to be liquidated and allowed to pre pack and stay in the EFL. Interesting times and I wasn't shocked listening Matt Taylors interview whilst being blown down the M5 last night. He was very diplomatic but I think many of us know what he meant. He has been hung out to dry and maybe he did jump into the job a little too quickly, he didn't need to. |
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Post by swissgas on Jan 24, 2024 13:58:06 GMT
A sad state of affairs Chesh but highly predictable. Wael didn’t want to lose control but with finances in a mess he was forced to put the club on the market. Serious buyers with the resources to transform Rovers and build a new stadium weren’t interested because of the state of the club and Wael’s insistence on retaining a substantial stake. So after being advertised over a year the only people willing to take a chance and comply with Wael’s wishes were the Al- Saeeds. Six months after the deal was completed we are where we are. But at least on Gaschat Irene’s Toy Boy is putting forward his idea of a solution “ Abdullatif Al Saeed. He's losing control, if he ever had any to begin with and if his old man isnt willing to pull him up on it and give him some counsel then a few more fans might make him pay attention “ Meanwhile, Gasheads who have the capacity to think may wish to check out the difference between Administration and Liquidation. I was explaining Admin v Liquidation to a City fan the other day. He didn't realise that his club were the last EFL club to be liquidated and allowed to pre pack and stay in the EFL. Interesting times and I wasn't shocked listening Matt Taylors interview whilst being blown down the M5 last night. He was very diplomatic but I think many of us know what he meant. He has been hung out to dry and maybe he did jump into the job a little too quickly, he didn't need to. Yes I think you are absolutely right and he probably should have seen the writing on the wall when he was given vague promises instead of detailed plans. The debate on Gaschat has now advanced to the point where ITB is telling us his company never had a problem getting paid by Rovers when Tom was in charge of settling accounts and Wael is very embarrassed that invoices are not being paid on time. As I predicted a few days ago, the next development will be for some fans to say they think things were much better in Wael’s time and that the Al- Saeeds have spoiled everything. In a pre-pack situation, with 12 million of debt secured by real estate, where would we train and play our home games ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2024 14:04:16 GMT
I was explaining Admin v Liquidation to a City fan the other day. He didn't realise that his club were the last EFL club to be liquidated and allowed to pre pack and stay in the EFL. Interesting times and I wasn't shocked listening Matt Taylors interview whilst being blown down the M5 last night. He was very diplomatic but I think many of us know what he meant. He has been hung out to dry and maybe he did jump into the job a little too quickly, he didn't need to. Yes I think you are absolutely right and he probably should have seen the writing on the wall when he was given vague promises instead of detailed plans. The debate on Gaschat has now advanced to the point where ITB is telling us his company never had a problem getting paid by Rovers when Tom was in charge of settling accounts and Wael is very embarrassed that invoices are not being paid on time. As I predicted a few days ago, the next development will be for some fans to say they think things were much better in Wael’s time and that the Al- Saeeds have spoiled everything. In a pre-pack situation, with 12 million of debt secured by real estate, where would we train and play our home games ? I think the late payments from Wael would have become a thing, he had run out of money so had to sell 55%. It was Wael who chose the new owners so where else does the chain of blame lie. I think you are underestimating the amount of debt secured on The Mem. Isn't Dwane's charge more than that amount and we can only guess the value of the charge on both The Mem and The Quarters by Nationwide. I wouldn't want to try and drag this one out of admin. Good to see one of the Mods over their telling posters to be polite to each other, we could do with the same standards here.  |
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Post by swissgas on Jan 24, 2024 14:31:21 GMT
Yes I think you are absolutely right and he probably should have seen the writing on the wall when he was given vague promises instead of detailed plans. The debate on Gaschat has now advanced to the point where ITB is telling us his company never had a problem getting paid by Rovers when Tom was in charge of settling accounts and Wael is very embarrassed that invoices are not being paid on time. As I predicted a few days ago, the next development will be for some fans to say they think things were much better in Wael’s time and that the Al- Saeeds have spoiled everything. In a pre-pack situation, with 12 million of debt secured by real estate, where would we train and play our home games ? I think the late payments from Wael would have become a thing, he had run out of money so had to sell 55%. It was Wael who chose the new owners so where else does the chain of blame lie. I think you are underestimating the amount of debt secured on The Mem. Isn't Dwane's charge more than that amount and we can only guess the value of the charge on both The Mem and The Quarters by Nationwide. I wouldn't want to try and drag this one out of admin. Good to see one of the Mods over their telling posters to be polite to each other, we could do with the same standards here. The Dwane Sports charge from May 2017 specifies an amount of 10 million, and we mustn’t forget Dwane Sports is now controlled by the Al- Saeeds. The Nationwide charge is not for a specific amount but if the initial cost of the stand was put at 1.9 million it’s probably around 2 million if interest is being rolled up. And if there are agreed payments and Rovers are not meeting them on time then a company like Nationwide won’t hesitate to call in that loan. An Administrators task is to try to rescue a business and keep as many jobs as possible. But to do this for Rovers he would have to reach a compromise deal with the secured creditors. Nationwide won’t compromise so the question would be whether the Al- Saeeds ( Dwane Sports ) would be willing to and if so for how much. In 2016 ownership passed to Dwane after they put 7 million into the club. In 2023 ownership passed to the Al- Saeeds after they put 7 million into the club. Rovers were on the market for over a year and 7 million into the business was the best deal that could be done. So IMO it’s unlikely that anybody going to come out of the woodwork now and be willing to pay the secured creditors 12 million for the real estate then be faced with 4 million pa business losses and a huge turnaround cost ? It appears that Wael has let the attack dogs loose without thinking of the consequences. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Jan 24, 2024 14:41:45 GMT
I was explaining Admin v Liquidation to a City fan the other day. He didn't realise that his club were the last EFL club to be liquidated and allowed to pre pack and stay in the EFL. Interesting times and I wasn't shocked listening Matt Taylors interview whilst being blown down the M5 last night. He was very diplomatic but I think many of us know what he meant. He has been hung out to dry and maybe he did jump into the job a little too quickly, he didn't need to. Yes I think you are absolutely right and he probably should have seen the writing on the wall when he was given vague promises instead of detailed plans. The debate on Gaschat has now advanced to the point where ITB is telling us his company never had a problem getting paid by Rovers when Tom was in charge of settling accounts and Wael is very embarrassed that invoices are not being paid on time. As I predicted a few days ago, the next development will be for some fans to say they think things were much better in Wael’s time and that the Al- Saeeds have spoiled everything. In a pre-pack situation, with 12 million of debt secured by real estate, where would we train and play our home games ? Hi Swiss... Yep, I never had a problem getting paid by the club previously. Obviously that doesnt mean that everything was rosy under Wael as it wasn't. I dont think the AS have spoiled everything only their own reputations for dealing with people in a strange way. Suppliers, other football clubs, existing and potential managers. Its even more scatter gun than it was previously. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Jan 24, 2024 14:42:48 GMT
Yes I think you are absolutely right and he probably should have seen the writing on the wall when he was given vague promises instead of detailed plans. The debate on Gaschat has now advanced to the point where ITB is telling us his company never had a problem getting paid by Rovers when Tom was in charge of settling accounts and Wael is very embarrassed that invoices are not being paid on time. As I predicted a few days ago, the next development will be for some fans to say they think things were much better in Wael’s time and that the Al- Saeeds have spoiled everything. In a pre-pack situation, with 12 million of debt secured by real estate, where would we train and play our home games ? I think the late payments from Wael would have become a thing, he had run out of money so had to sell 55%. It was Wael who chose the new owners so where else does the chain of blame lie. I think you are underestimating the amount of debt secured on The Mem. Isn't Dwane's charge more than that amount and we can only guess the value of the charge on both The Mem and The Quarters by Nationwide. I wouldn't want to try and drag this one out of admin. Good to see one of the Mods over their telling posters to be polite to each other, we could do with the same standards here. Yes, I drew the line at someone calling someone else a c**t. But at least they kind of did it to their face, even if it was behind a keyboard. Most would mutter it out of ear shot or say it behind their back.... |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jan 24, 2024 14:48:38 GMT
I think the late payments from Wael would have become a thing, he had run out of money so had to sell 55%. It was Wael who chose the new owners so where else does the chain of blame lie. I think you are underestimating the amount of debt secured on The Mem. Isn't Dwane's charge more than that amount and we can only guess the value of the charge on both The Mem and The Quarters by Nationwide. I wouldn't want to try and drag this one out of admin. Good to see one of the Mods over their telling posters to be polite to each other, we could do with the same standards here. The Dwane Sports charge from May 2017 specifies an amount of 10 million, and we mustn’t forget Dwane Sports is now controlled by the Al- Saeeds. The Nationwide charge is not for a specific amount but if the initial cost of the stand was put at 1.9 million it’s probably around 2 million if interest is being rolled up. And if there are agreed payments and Rovers are not meeting them on time then a company like Nationwide won’t hesitate to call in that loan. An Administrators task is to try to rescue a business and keep as many jobs as possible. But to do this for Rovers he would have to reach a compromise deal with the secured creditors. Nationwide won’t compromise so the question would be whether the Al- Saeeds ( Dwane Sports ) would be willing to and if so for how much. In 2016 ownership passed to Dwane after they put 7 million into the club. In 2023 ownership passed to the Al- Saeeds after they put 7 million into the club. Rovers were on the market for over a year and 7 million into the business was the best deal that could be done. So IMO it’s unlikely that anybody going to come out of the woodwork now and be willing to pay the secured creditors 12 million for the real estate then be faced with 4 million pa business losses and a huge turnaround cost ? It appears that Wael has let the attack dogs loose without thinking of the consequences. There is nervousness in the finance industry at the moment on the 'are we / aren't we in / going into a recession. The building sector is starting to stress with a number of companies hitting the wall [Stewart Milne for example] Level One Funders won't be the first to jump as they know it could be a pack of cards, domino effect. Nationwide won't rush in, at the moment! Currently, in sport, it's tending to be 1 - HMRC [although they are offering TTPs - Time to Pay agreements] 2 - Owners of the asset stripping kind fearful of the amounts they are losing 3 - Level 3 lenders such as bridging fund lenders [cf the type Nick Higgs borrowed from] then the likes of Nationwide. That said if the building sector does collapse and a few more go to the wall then Gasheads will need to prepare themselves. The new owners aren't like Jim Ratcliffe with a few billion to throw around and may be gone for dust once the full implications hit. |
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Post by swissgas on Jan 24, 2024 15:44:33 GMT
The Dwane Sports charge from May 2017 specifies an amount of 10 million, and we mustn’t forget Dwane Sports is now controlled by the Al- Saeeds. The Nationwide charge is not for a specific amount but if the initial cost of the stand was put at 1.9 million it’s probably around 2 million if interest is being rolled up. And if there are agreed payments and Rovers are not meeting them on time then a company like Nationwide won’t hesitate to call in that loan. An Administrators task is to try to rescue a business and keep as many jobs as possible. But to do this for Rovers he would have to reach a compromise deal with the secured creditors. Nationwide won’t compromise so the question would be whether the Al- Saeeds ( Dwane Sports ) would be willing to and if so for how much. In 2016 ownership passed to Dwane after they put 7 million into the club. In 2023 ownership passed to the Al- Saeeds after they put 7 million into the club. Rovers were on the market for over a year and 7 million into the business was the best deal that could be done. So IMO it’s unlikely that anybody going to come out of the woodwork now and be willing to pay the secured creditors 12 million for the real estate then be faced with 4 million pa business losses and a huge turnaround cost ? It appears that Wael has let the attack dogs loose without thinking of the consequences. There is nervousness in the finance industry at the moment on the 'are we / aren't we in / going into a recession. The building sector is starting to stress with a number of companies hitting the wall [Stewart Milne for example] Level One Funders won't be the first to jump as they know it could be a pack of cards, domino effect. Nationwide won't rush in, at the moment! Currently, in sport, it's tending to be 1 - HMRC [although they are offering TTPs - Time to Pay agreements] 2 - Owners of the asset stripping kind fearful of the amounts they are losing 3 - Level 3 lenders such as bridging fund lenders [cf the type Nick Higgs borrowed from] then the likes of Nationwide. That said if the building sector does collapse and a few more go to the wall then Gasheads will need to prepare themselves. The new owners aren't like Jim Ratcliffe with a few billion to throw around and may be gone for dust once the full implications hit. I think Wael’s father was a very wise man and from day one put a protective layer around his son. Obviously Hani was at the forefront but he also had Steve Hamer, Lee Atkins, Steve Brookfield and Michael Cunnah. Sadly that layer was gradually eroded and as good business sense went out of the window the clubs problems mounted to the point in January 2022 when we were forced to seek help. Hussain has not put a protective layer around Abdullatif which I think is a mistake. And he has the added problem of a 45% stakeholder who doesn’t appear to be giving him any public support but, judging by the posting on Gaschat today, may be encouraging his friends to go for the jugular without thinking of the consequences. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Jan 24, 2024 16:34:41 GMT
I was the first one to post any comments on gaschat about the AS ownership. I have done so completely independently of anyone. I cant speak for the rest of them, but having spent sometime with another football club board member this morning in London, hes hearing all the same things from other sources within the football world. DMac at Peterborough hasnt been complimentary about our new directors together with Matt Taylors subliminal messages about the board I'd suggest there is no smoke without fire.
Hussain doesnt need to put a protective layer around his son as long as his son shows a measure of competency. So far he is showing himself up to be nothing but incompetent and from what I have been told, albeit from people outside of the club, that Abdullatif wants to do everything himself, makes a cats arse of it and then picks up the phone to Wael to sort it out, which is exactly what happened with the JCH transfer and a carbon copy of meeting the release fee for Conteh.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jan 24, 2024 16:35:36 GMT
I think the late payments from Wael would have become a thing, he had run out of money so had to sell 55%. It was Wael who chose the new owners so where else does the chain of blame lie. I think you are underestimating the amount of debt secured on The Mem. Isn't Dwane's charge more than that amount and we can only guess the value of the charge on both The Mem and The Quarters by Nationwide. I wouldn't want to try and drag this one out of admin. Good to see one of the Mods over their telling posters to be polite to each other, we could do with the same standards here. Yes, I drew the line at someone calling someone else a c**t. But at least they kind of did it to their face, even if it was behind a keyboard. Most would mutter it out of ear shot or say it behind their back.... Just started reading the thread on the other forum, had to stop as too many sharp instruments around. Gosh that's depressing! |
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