syg
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Post by syg on Oct 21, 2023 18:02:57 GMT
Things could be worse we could live in gaza and have no house and get bombed daily and get killed. Think of those poor kids football pales into insignificance in reality when the world is this evil killing kids. Is there a particular reason why you fail to mention the Israeli children kidnapped and murdered by Hamas? I would be more than happy to educate you about the facts, which included decapitation and being burnt to death - feel free to contribute to the relevant part of the forum. You aren't that interested in Palestinians. You are more interested in scoring points and showing the rest of us how 'right on' you are. Oh give it a rest. People are being slaughtered. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 21, 2023 18:13:46 GMT
Is there a particular reason why you fail to mention the Israeli children kidnapped and murdered by Hamas? I would be more than happy to educate you about the facts, which included decapitation and being burnt to death - feel free to contribute to the relevant part of the forum. You aren't that interested in Palestinians. You are more interested in scoring points and showing the rest of us how 'right on' you are. Oh give it a rest. People are being slaughtered. People have already been slaughtered, in case you hadn't noticed. Its sickening to see how people are trying to pretend this hasn't happened and have now moved onto their hobby-horse of throwing s*it at Israel for defending itself. |
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syg
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Post by syg on Oct 21, 2023 18:32:24 GMT
Oh give it a rest. People are being slaughtered. People have already been slaughtered, in case you hadn't noticed. Its sickening to see how people are trying to pretend this hasn't happened and have now moved onto their hobby-horse of throwing s*it at Israel for defending itself. Defending itself! You mean mass murder. You should read some recent history or talk to my mate who volunteered to work on a Gaza checkpoint. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 21, 2023 18:40:25 GMT
People have already been slaughtered, in case you hadn't noticed. Its sickening to see how people are trying to pretend this hasn't happened and have now moved onto their hobby-horse of throwing s*it at Israel for defending itself. Defending itself! You mean mass murder. You should read some recent history or talk to my mate who volunteered to work on a Gaza checkpoint. Sweetheart, I have worked extensively with Palestinians and have also been to the West Bank on several occasions. What recent history would you like me to educate myself on? I'm primarily interested because I have forgotten more than you know about this subject. |
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Post by trymer on Oct 21, 2023 19:20:49 GMT
Sunak goes to Israel and says that 'we' want Israel to win but the reality is that across Britain hundreds of thousands of people demonstrate in favour of Palestinians and many millions more want Palestine to win, so who is this 'we' ? the present government ?
There seems to be a massive disconnection across Europe of countries governments and countries citizens, that cant be good news.
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Post by lostinspace on Oct 21, 2023 19:55:36 GMT
Sunak goes to Israel and says that 'we' want Israel to win but the reality is that across Britain hundreds of thousands of people demonstrate in favour of Palestinians and many millions more want Palestine to win, so who is this 'we' ? the present government ? There seems to be a massive disconnection across Europe of countries governments and countries citizens, that cant be good news. Not sure what stance Starmer has taken on the situation,but for sure as eggs are eggs had it been the last Labour leader then the flavour coming from the red side would ( I believe) be somewhat different than that of R Sunak!! |
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 21, 2023 20:05:28 GMT
Sunak goes to Israel and says that 'we' want Israel to win but the reality is that across Britain hundreds of thousands of people demonstrate in favour of Palestinians and many millions more want Palestine to win, so who is this 'we' ? the present government ? There seems to be a massive disconnection across Europe of countries governments and countries citizens, that cant be good news. If Palestine 'wins' in this latest round of the conflict, then Hamas remains in place. I would like each and every protestor to explicitly admit that they would be happy with this outcome. This is also what people are advocating when they call for a ceasefire - for an organization that decapitated children, burnt civilians to death and abducted a dementia patient to continue to exist. Israel is a recognized state, and the PA leadership is committed to the two-state solution. In calling for 'Palestine to be free, from the land to the sea', these protestors are actually arguing against the expressed will of the international community and also the Palestinian president. These protestors do not speak on behalf of me, the British public or even Palestinians. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 21, 2023 20:07:41 GMT
Sunak goes to Israel and says that 'we' want Israel to win but the reality is that across Britain hundreds of thousands of people demonstrate in favour of Palestinians and many millions more want Palestine to win, so who is this 'we' ? the present government ? There seems to be a massive disconnection across Europe of countries governments and countries citizens, that cant be good news. Not sure what stance Starmer has taken on the situation,but for sure as eggs are eggs had it been the last Labour leader then the flavour coming from the red side would ( I believe) be somewhat different than that of R Sunak!! Corbyn once referred to Hamas as 'our friends'. That certainly hasn't aged well, has it? I don't think even he will look back on that statement with any pride. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 22, 2023 6:04:50 GMT
In terms of population size, the Hamas murders would amount to 10,000 people being murdered in the UK. Think about that, 10,000. And people are complaining about the Israeli reaction.
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oldie
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Post by oldie on Oct 22, 2023 11:27:12 GMT
Personally I would campaign on behalf of the Palestinians. But you cannot conflate that into support for HAMAS, or a desire to see the demise of Israel.
What it does indicate is a desire to see this open wound healed.
This cannot happen when each side inflicts violence and suffering on the other. Perpetuating this in revenge, by either side, will only prolong this for decades. Imposing even more suffering on both sides of this conflict and harden attitudes across the region generally.
It's a fools game.
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 22, 2023 11:58:52 GMT
Personally I would campaign on behalf of the Palestinians. But you cannot conflate that into support for HAMAS, or a desire to see the demise of Israel. What it does indicate is a desire to see this open wound healed. This cannot happen when each side inflicts violence and suffering on the other. Perpetuating this in revenge, by either side, will only prolong this for decades. Imposing even more suffering on both sides of this conflict and harden attitudes across the region generally. It's a fools game. Sounds nice Oldie, but the Hamas Charter quite clearly states they the will not accept any negotiated settlement plus it also quite clearly states they will conduct Jihad until all the Jews are dead. If one side only wants to fight, what do you expect the other side to do? The fools are on one side and it ain't Israel. |
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Post by oldie on Oct 22, 2023 12:37:48 GMT
Personally I would campaign on behalf of the Palestinians. But you cannot conflate that into support for HAMAS, or a desire to see the demise of Israel. What it does indicate is a desire to see this open wound healed. This cannot happen when each side inflicts violence and suffering on the other. Perpetuating this in revenge, by either side, will only prolong this for decades. Imposing even more suffering on both sides of this conflict and harden attitudes across the region generally. It's a fools game. Sounds nice Oldie, but the Hamas Charter quite clearly states they the will not accept any negotiated settlement plus it also quite clearly states they will conduct Jihad until all the Jews are dead. If one side only wants to fight, what do you expect the other side to do? The fools are on one side and it ain't Israel. Nobby The Israelis can kill the entire leadership of HAMAS but they cannot kill the anger, resentment. Nor will they come out with any sort of spinnable PR after all the non combatants they will kill. Deliberately or not. This will not resolve anything. What will kill the Hydra of extremism is a resolution to the plight of the Palestinians. That will require compromise by both sides, however uncomfortable that maybe for both. After the latest round of violence and resulting disgust do you not think that all populations are not tired of this? Do you not get a sense that the latest round of politicians lining up to say "me to" lacks credibility with the people they represent? This horror is like a bad movie on a repeat loop. Doing the same thing over and over again is madness, is it not? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 22, 2023 14:04:01 GMT
"Doing the same thing over and over again is madness, is it not? " - You've finally got there. Israel will not do the same thing as before. This time it will be different.
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oldie
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Post by oldie on Oct 22, 2023 15:01:20 GMT
"Doing the same thing over and over again is madness, is it not? " - You've finally got there. Israel will not do the same thing as before. This time it will be different. Bet you £100 that the final outcome, as judged in ten years, will be the same. More violence will only reinforce that. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 23, 2023 7:35:40 GMT
"Doing the same thing over and over again is madness, is it not? " - You've finally got there. Israel will not do the same thing as before. This time it will be different. Bet you £100 that the final outcome, as judged in ten years, will be the same. More violence will only reinforce that. Sorry, but I don't bet. But yes, the violence will continue and will do so until the Islamic butchers decide to stop killing Jews, be that Hamas, Hezbollah, Jihad Resistance etec etc, and Iran! |
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oldie
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Post by oldie on Oct 23, 2023 8:15:01 GMT
Bet you £100 that the final outcome, as judged in ten years, will be the same. More violence will only reinforce that. Sorry, but I don't bet. But yes, the violence will continue and will do so until the Islamic butchers decide to stop killing Jews, be that Hamas, Hezbollah, Jihad Resistance etec etc, and Iran! If 2+2=Solution*(√Peace) You missed one one numeral |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 23, 2023 9:20:39 GMT
Sorry, but I don't bet. But yes, the violence will continue and will do so until the Islamic butchers decide to stop killing Jews, be that Hamas, Hezbollah, Jihad Resistance etec etc, and Iran! If 2+2=Solution*(√Peace) You missed one one numeral If one side does not want peace and will only settle for the total death of the opposition, then it will never happen. Face reality. |
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Post by oldie on Oct 23, 2023 10:00:55 GMT
If 2+2=Solution*(√Peace) You missed one one numeral If one side does not want peace and will only settle for the total death of the opposition, then it will never happen. Face reality. Of course. But is it one side, or one extremist faction? Even within Israel, is there only "one side"? Before HAMAS gave him an out, Netanyahu was in deep political trouble. Propped up by some of the worse Zionists extremists and trying to change the constitution, there were mass demonstrations and rumours of reservists refusing to obey orders. Any mature leader would embrace that opposition, sold it to rest of the world as to why supporting democracy as represented by that opposition as to opposed to the enforced rule of the lunatics in HAMAS (and Iran) who allow no opposition. But he cannot, because he is caught in the deadly embrace of the Zionists, which is developing as badly as the situation the Palestinians and Iranians find themselves in. They will tolerate no opposition eventually, the divine right of Jews and their chosen god will be the basis for eventual totalitarianism. Just like HAMAS, just like the clowns in Iran. So their solution is more violence, killing probably, by the time this all over, tens of thousands of Palestinians who may or may not support HAMAS acts of terror. This outcome plays right into the hands of the zealots on both sides. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 23:35:22 GMT
The Jews' chosen God you say? Men make, not choose Gods, in their own image. The God of the Jews is, of course, the same Yahweh God plagiarised one way by Christianity and far more poorly by Islam, said to have named the Jews as His chosen people, not the other way around. Jews are often agnostic or atheist, of course, being often rather scientifically educated, and still the victim of racist anti-semetic violence and murder regardless of belief.
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Post by oldie on Oct 24, 2023 4:41:15 GMT
The Jews' chosen, God you say? Men make, not choose Gods, in their own image. The God of the Jews is, of course, the same Yahweh God plagiarised one way by Christianity and far more poorly by Islam, said to have named the Jews as His chosen people, not the other way around. Jews are often agnostic or atheist, of course, bring often rather scientifically educated, and still the victim of racist anti-semetic violence and murder regardless of belief. Perhaps I should have said chosen "faith", but I find it hard to say that because the word implies some rational thought process. Blind Faith perhaps. I think I will stick with "Chosen God", like praying to a tree, or a cow or indeed a stone wall, it's laughable. Except it's not, people commit murder over it. |
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