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Post by francegas on May 7, 2023 22:09:19 GMT
"Oh for the days where you had to break the law first" ....Are you sure about that. Would you prefer a terrorist to be arrested before he broke the law or afterwards when he's blown up a building killing many. Bit of a difference between shouting and waiving a few placards and blowing people up!! Weren't rape alarms seized by the Police resulting in a few arrests. So would you prefer these alarms to have been used to disrupt the procession. That could have resulted in a horse being spooked and serious injury to the rider or member of public . So it wasn't just waiving a few placards. In answer to your response the concept is the same with arrests being made before they commit a crime. |
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Post by oldie on May 7, 2023 22:41:04 GMT
Arrested before he had done anything not even shouted.... Oh for the days where you had to break the law first. "Oh for the days where you had to break the law first" ....Are you sure about that. Would you prefer a terrorist to be arrested before he broke the law or afterwards when he's blown up a building killing many. That's laughable France. |
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Post by oldie on May 7, 2023 22:42:48 GMT
Bit of a difference between shouting and waiving a few placards and blowing people up!! Weren't rape alarms seized by the Police resulting in a few arrests. So would you prefer these alarms to have been used to disrupt the procession. That could have resulted in a horse being spooked and serious injury to the rider or member of public . So it wasn't just waiving a few placards. In answer to your response the concept is the same with arrests being made before they commit a crime. So You are advocating arresting people because you "think" they might commit a crime? Jesus Christ. |
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Post by Nobbygas on May 8, 2023 4:49:06 GMT
Weren't rape alarms seized by the Police resulting in a few arrests. So would you prefer these alarms to have been used to disrupt the procession. That could have resulted in a horse being spooked and serious injury to the rider or member of public . So it wasn't just waiving a few placards. In answer to your response the concept is the same with arrests being made before they commit a crime. So You are advocating arresting people because you "think" they might commit a crime? Jesus Christ. If the data the Police have leads them to believe a crime is about to be committed, then yes. It's not "think, it's actual data. |
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Post by baselswh on May 8, 2023 6:16:25 GMT
So You are advocating arresting people because you "think" they might commit a crime? Jesus Christ. If the data the Police have leads them to believe a crime is about to be committed, then yes. It's not "think, it's actual data. They had form. Handcuffs, glue and rape alarms (to scare horses,dangerous) were found. The Police had announced they were not going to mess about on the actual day. Good work. |
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Post by trymer on May 8, 2023 6:32:24 GMT
If the data the Police have leads them to believe a crime is about to be committed, then yes. It's not "think, it's actual data. They had form. Handcuffs, glue and rape alarms (to scare horses,dangerous) were found. The Police had announced they were not going to mess about on the actual day. Good work. Placards made with lengths of 2x2 were confiscated too,they make handy weapons,the Police were correct and I am sure that law abiding people support them,lets hope that it wasnt a one off. Time to get creative with punishment,football banning orders inconvenience hooligans,time to inconvenience protester thugs too,weekend prisons and attendance centres should do it. |
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Post by oldie on May 8, 2023 7:04:21 GMT
So You are advocating arresting people because you "think" they might commit a crime? Jesus Christ. If the data the Police have leads them to believe a crime is about to be committed, then yes. It's not "think, it's actual data. I don't disagree. But what "crime" did the police "think" anyone who chose to protest were about to committ... |
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Post by francegas on May 8, 2023 7:09:23 GMT
"Oh for the days where you had to break the law first" ....Are you sure about that. Would you prefer a terrorist to be arrested before he broke the law or afterwards when he's blown up a building killing many. That's laughable France. Why is it laughable ? My step son works for the Metropolitan Police and has worked within the anti terrorism unit. He has previously told me that many terrorist plots against London have been prevented and arrests made before the crime has been committed. So yes I'm all for arrests being made if the Police have info before they've had the opportunity to do a crime. |
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Post by oldie on May 8, 2023 7:17:22 GMT
Why is it laughable ? My step son works for the Metropolitan Police and has worked within the anti terrorism unit. He has previously told me that many terrorist plots against London have been prevented and arrests made before the crime has been committed. So yes I'm all for arrests being made if the Police have info before they've had the opportunity to do a crime. What is laughable is the false comparison between English Republicans and terrorists who seek to kill people. |
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Post by trymer on May 8, 2023 7:21:26 GMT
Why is it laughable ? My step son works for the Metropolitan Police and has worked within the anti terrorism unit. He has previously told me that many terrorist plots against London have been prevented and arrests made before the crime has been committed. So yes I'm all for arrests being made if the Police have info before they've had the opportunity to do a crime. Exactly...the Police dont wait until there is a pitched battle at a football match,they arrest people who they suspect of being troublemakers search them and if they have weapons they are charged. A lot of these 'protesters' in recent years are just there for trouble,if they have weapons, equipment for locking on, megaphones or amplifiers they should be arrested and charged,also if they block roads or inconvenience people going about their lawful business they should be arrested and charged |
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Post by baselswh on May 8, 2023 7:31:45 GMT
Sadly,you can see why the Manchester arena mass murderer 'got away' with his suicide attack.
Then there's eg the Rochdale grooming gang criminals.
'Better not check these suspicious people out',or someone ( like a few on this forum ) will label me a racist or fascist.
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Post by trymer on May 8, 2023 7:34:09 GMT
Sadly,you can see why the Manchester arena mass murderer 'got away' with his suicide attack. Then there's eg yhe Rochdale grooming gang criminals. 'Better not check these suspicious people out',or someone ( like a few on this forum ) will label me a racist or fascist. Sadly there are people who are so 'liberal' that they think more of the criminals 'rights' than they do about the victims. |
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Post by trymer on May 8, 2023 7:41:50 GMT
The Police have a very difficult job to do (especially on a massive day like yesterday) they have to deal face to face with some very unpleasant people, the whiners wouldnt want to be in those situations.
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Post by oldie on May 8, 2023 8:42:09 GMT
Why is it laughable ? My step son works for the Metropolitan Police and has worked within the anti terrorism unit. He has previously told me that many terrorist plots against London have been prevented and arrests made before the crime has been committed. So yes I'm all for arrests being made if the Police have info before they've had the opportunity to do a crime. Exactly...the Police dont wait until there is a pitched battle at a football match,they arrest people who they suspect of being troublemakers search them and if they have weapons they are charged. A lot of these 'protesters' in recent years are just there for trouble,if they have weapons, equipment for locking on, megaphones or amplifiers they should be arrested and charged,also if they block roads or inconvenience people going about their lawful business they should be arrested and charged Charged under the law. Which law were the English Republicans breaking at the Coronation? |
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Post by oldie on May 8, 2023 8:42:56 GMT
Sadly,you can see why the Manchester arena mass murderer 'got away' with his suicide attack. Then there's eg the Rochdale grooming gang criminals. 'Better not check these suspicious people out',or someone ( like a few on this forum ) will label me a racist or fascist. A completely false equivalence. |
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Post by oldie on May 8, 2023 8:44:15 GMT
The Police have a very difficult job to do (especially on a massive day like yesterday) they have to deal face to face with some very unpleasant people, the whiners wouldnt want to be in those situations. Having a differing political viewpoint is now regarded as "unpleasant"? Who knew |
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Post by lostinspace on May 8, 2023 10:29:39 GMT
The Police have a very difficult job to do (especially on a massive day like yesterday) they have to deal face to face with some very unpleasant people, the whiners wouldnt want to be in those situations. Having a differing political viewpoint is now regarded as "unpleasant"? Who knew So you have a group of people who are anti monarchists [AM] i presume they call themselves , fair play to them , respect their views on that no problem, but wish to impose themselves and their thoughts on the greater majority of people wishing to embrace the day, IF the AM want to have a show or gathering to express their views then why not just go and have their gathering where they will not annoy the majority and likely provoke some sort of reaction ....as what tends to occur at some time during these high profile events |
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Post by Cheshiregas on May 8, 2023 10:44:08 GMT
Why is it laughable ? My step son works for the Metropolitan Police and has worked within the anti terrorism unit. He has previously told me that many terrorist plots against London have been prevented and arrests made before the crime has been committed. So yes I'm all for arrests being made if the Police have info before they've had the opportunity to do a crime. But we are not talking terrorists. We are talking protestors. The groups of protestors had already agreed with the police on the actions the were going to take. Some had decided not to take any other action than shout a lot. The Head of the group Republic had given details to the Police of what they had planned. They told the Police where they would be and allowed the Police to search their vehicles and stores. They still arrested the Head of the group without him having committed any crime apart from 'crimes' under the newly rushed through Act that allows free reign to Police. Will the group work the Police again - I very much doubt it. The Police also arrested journalists with full Press passes who were observing the protestors. We used to think that only happened in rogue states. |
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Post by oldie on May 8, 2023 10:46:21 GMT
Having a differing political viewpoint is now regarded as "unpleasant"? Who knew So you have a group of people who are anti monarchists [AM] i presume they call themselves , fair play to them , respect their views on that no problem, but wish to impose themselves and their thoughts on the greater majority of people wishing to embrace the day, IF the AM want to have a show or gathering to express their views then why not just go and have their gathering where they will not annoy the majority and likely provoke some sort of reaction ....as what tends to occur at some time during these high profile events English Republicans. They have a right to protest. Hang on, let me correct myself, they HAD a right to protest. As a republican myself I was mightily inconvenienced by by the supporting crowds, utterly bored with the relentless propaganda on all media outlets. But do I want a law placed on the Statute Book which gives the Executive Branch of our democracy the right to shut all that down? Absolutely not. Voltaire was spot on all those years ago "The right to free speech is more important than the content of the speech" |
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Post by Cheshiregas on May 8, 2023 10:47:41 GMT
Sadly,you can see why the Manchester arena mass murderer 'got away' with his suicide attack. Then there's eg the Rochdale grooming gang criminals. 'Better not check these suspicious people out',or someone ( like a few on this forum ) will label me a racist or fascist. Sorry Bas that is totally different to the kind of people we are talking about. None of those people yesterday had come to commit terrorist or grooming activities. They were all mostly white British not Asian. Totally different. |
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