oldie
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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 14:32:23 GMT
What was Blair's role in changing our visa rules that has resulted that have resulted in 1.2 million immigrants on visas annually? Could you explain what his role was? "Under Blair's Labour, up to 5.5million people born outside the UK arrived as long-term migrants. Between 1997 and 2010, around 2.3million left the country, meaning the UK population increased by around 3.2million as a direct result of foreign migrants." In May 2004, the EU welcomed ten new member states – the majority from Central and Eastern Europe – in what was the largest expansion in the history of European integration. The UK was one of only three member states, alongside Sweden and Ireland, to open its labour market to these new EU citizens immediately. At the time, Labour’s decision was largely uncontroversial and met with bipartisan support in parliament. Yet this was to be perhaps Tony Blair’s greatest unintended legacy and ultimately a contributor to his party’s electoral defeat in years to come. Although ten countries became EU member states in 2004, attention focused on the “A8 countries”. These were Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia. While the number of migrants from Central and Eastern Europe into the UK was predicted to be in the region of 5,000 to 13,000 on the assumption that other member states would also open their labour markets, most didn’t. And the flows turned out to be over 20 times the upper end of this estimate." In 2004 and 2005, 129,000 migrants from the A8 countries entered Britain, according to research by migration researcher John Salt that takes into account various ways of measuring immigration. " I didn't ask you, I asked Basel who made the assertion. The question was what was Blair's role in the decision by the Johnson government to expand the visa programme to allow 1.2 million migrants ANNUALLY. Not spread over 13 years between 97-2010. Well Basel? You could be honest and say you have no idea |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 5, 2024 14:37:31 GMT
What was Blair's role in changing our visa rules that has resulted that have resulted in 1.2 million immigrants on visas annually? Could you explain what his role was? "Under Blair's Labour, up to 5.5million people born outside the UK arrived as long-term migrants. Between 1997 and 2010, around 2.3million left the country, meaning the UK population increased by around 3.2million as a direct result of foreign migrants." In May 2004, the EU welcomed ten new member states – the majority from Central and Eastern Europe – in what was the largest expansion in the history of European integration. The UK was one of only three member states, alongside Sweden and Ireland, to open its labour market to these new EU citizens immediately. At the time, Labour’s decision was largely uncontroversial and met with bipartisan support in parliament. Yet this was to be perhaps Tony Blair’s greatest unintended legacy and ultimately a contributor to his party’s electoral defeat in years to come. Although ten countries became EU member states in 2004, attention focused on the “A8 countries”. These were Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia. While the number of migrants from Central and Eastern Europe into the UK was predicted to be in the region of 5,000 to 13,000 on the assumption that other member states would also open their labour markets, most didn’t. And the flows turned out to be over 20 times the upper end of this estimate." In 2004 and 2005, 129,000 migrants from the A8 countries entered Britain, according to research by migration researcher John Salt that takes into account various ways of measuring immigration. " How many of them were Muslims because that's the narrative going on here. |
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Post by trymer on Aug 5, 2024 14:39:29 GMT
"I guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether directly or those whipping up this action online,” he said. "There is no justification for taking this action,” he said, adding that people have“a right to be safe”. ..... How will this wreckless rhetoric calm down this situation? He is only going to anger those that are rioting more! He is weak & pathetic. I actually think he should be arrested for fuelling riots and further destabilising the country (if there exists such a law). He has declared war on his own people apart from Muslims. The politicians are not 'reading the room' are they. Anyone with half a brain cell condemns the violent actions we are witnessing. However, the violence is borne from the frustration that many people in the country are feeling. The vast majority of those people, who we have in the past called the 'silent majority' remain silent. The hardline rhetoric from Starmer and Cooper is indeed worrying as it does nothing to address any of the issues that people feel aggrieved about. Economically times are hard and this will always lead to frustration. The government take away the Winter Heating Allowance from 10 million OAP's, saying that the country cannot afford it, yet the government can splash the cash on bumper pay rises for the Public Sector, and increasing costs for illegal immigrants. We know in the very near future the government are planning to raid the pockets of the people yet again with further tax rises. The government's energy policy will lead to higher fuel bills in the future. Only 20% of the electorate voted for this government, so they are on a very sticky wicket. They do not have this clear mandate they seem to think they have. As for the illegal and legal immigration, successive government's have been full of lies, both Labour and Tory. Successive government's have help fuel this problem, and none of them have any answers except to tell people to 'suck it up'. The very low turnout in the General Election was proof that many people have lost all faith in our politicians. Labour only got elected by default. When you have this situation, then people will look for alternatives, right or wrongly. The ineptitude and incompetence of Labour and the Tories have led us to where we are now. How do we get out of it? I've no idea, but it will be messy. Nobby,by concidence i heard the point about the winter heating used as an example twice today,one by the women in the dog walking group (none of whom are anywhere near being pensioners) then two blokes at the gym saying something like'they've cut the winter heating alllowance for pensioners but put the dinghy people in nice hotels with meals of their choice,hot water and heating'. Obviously Starmer has to stop the rioting but I dont think he has any idea of the resentment and now anger in large parts of society, he might make people more resentful. I have thought for a while that people are giving up on democracy,these riots are just the start of the violence though because if even 0.5% of the rioters start making bomb and arson attacks the country is in real trouble... p.i.r.a bombed their way to the negotiating table with a couple of hundred people in volved in the bombing campaign,hitting places like Canary Wharf showed what they could do and it scared the govt to death. |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 5, 2024 14:41:23 GMT
Two tier policing. It exists. The Mayor of London,the the Home Secretary and PM.The way they have spoken differently about 'two different tribes' committing the same crime of rioting. Differing Police Forces would see differing styles, but it should not be to the extent we"ve witnessed. [bNot forgetting the Police took the knee for the Far Left fad,BLM. They have? I must have missed that. Do you have link to any evidence for that? Then there's Bolton.Muslim gangs,dressed in all black,masked up,carrying weapons and chanting Ala Akbar. This is against the Law. Our police allowed it to carry on,which begs the question who actually enforces the law in Bolton and which law? Very worrying. |
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Post by trymer on Aug 5, 2024 14:46:40 GMT
Although I condemn the violence,the arson and the looting of the last few days every cloud has a silver lining,the wailing and whining of liberal lefties everywhere (incuding here) is music to my ears, imagining them listening to the news and becoming apoplectic brightens the day.
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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 14:48:51 GMT
They have? I must have missed that. Do you have link to any evidence for that? Then there's Bolton.Muslim gangs,dressed in all black,masked up,carrying weapons and chanting Ala Akbar. This I against the Law. Our police allowed it to carry on,which begs the question who actually enforces the law in Bolton and which law? Very worrying. You disagreeing with police practice in an area you do not live hardly constitutes "2 tier policing" does it. Btw, you have yet to explain your point that Blair was involved in the Johnson government decision to expand the visa quota to 1.2 million a year...what was Blair's involvement with that? |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 14:50:05 GMT
This is comedy gold. Muslims don't know their own religion and can't answer a simple question.
The Indian Christian guy here is incredible.
Such guts.
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oldie
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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 14:50:13 GMT
Although I condemn the violence,the arson and the looting of the last few days every cloud has a silver lining,the wailing and whining of liberal lefties everywhere (incuding here) is music to my ears, imagining them listening to the news and becoming apoplectic brightens the day. Will a victim dying make the sun shine brighter for you? |
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Post by trymer on Aug 5, 2024 14:53:07 GMT
Although I condemn the violence,the arson and the looting of the last few days every cloud has a silver lining,the wailing and whining of liberal lefties everywhere (incuding here) is music to my ears, imagining them listening to the news and becoming apoplectic brightens the day. Will a victim dying make the sun shine brighter for you? Why dont you try it and we will see. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2024 14:55:18 GMT
Then there's Bolton.Muslim gangs,dressed in all black,masked up,carrying weapons and chanting Ala Akbar. This I against the Law. Our police allowed it to carry on,which begs the question who actually enforces the law in Bolton and which law? Very worrying. You disagreeing with police practice in an area you do not live hardly constitutes "2 tier policing" does it. Btw, you have yet to explain your point that Blair was involved in the Johnson government decision to expand the visa quota to 1.2 million a year...what was Blair's involvement with that? No need for him to explain it is there Oldie, as you well know it's a stupid, loaded question. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 14:55:18 GMT
"Under Blair's Labour, up to 5.5million people born outside the UK arrived as long-term migrants. Between 1997 and 2010, around 2.3million left the country, meaning the UK population increased by around 3.2million as a direct result of foreign migrants." In May 2004, the EU welcomed ten new member states – the majority from Central and Eastern Europe – in what was the largest expansion in the history of European integration. The UK was one of only three member states, alongside Sweden and Ireland, to open its labour market to these new EU citizens immediately. At the time, Labour’s decision was largely uncontroversial and met with bipartisan support in parliament. Yet this was to be perhaps Tony Blair’s greatest unintended legacy and ultimately a contributor to his party’s electoral defeat in years to come. Although ten countries became EU member states in 2004, attention focused on the “A8 countries”. These were Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia. While the number of migrants from Central and Eastern Europe into the UK was predicted to be in the region of 5,000 to 13,000 on the assumption that other member states would also open their labour markets, most didn’t. And the flows turned out to be over 20 times the upper end of this estimate." In 2004 and 2005, 129,000 migrants from the A8 countries entered Britain, according to research by migration researcher John Salt that takes into account various ways of measuring immigration. " How many of them were Muslims because that's the narrative going on here. Shhhhh....it's not about race or creed...they said so 😂😂 |
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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 14:56:06 GMT
You disagreeing with police practice in an area you do not live hardly constitutes "2 tier policing" does it. Btw, you have yet to explain your point that Blair was involved in the Johnson government decision to expand the visa quota to 1.2 million a year...what was Blair's involvement with that? No need for him to explain it is there Oldie, as you well know it's a stupid, loaded question. What are you? His dad? He said it, let him explain |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2024 14:59:09 GMT
No need for him to explain it is there Oldie, as you well know it's a stupid, loaded question. What are you? His dad? He said it, let him explain Because your questions are sometimes really tiring and unnecessary. It seems as though you are just trying for those "gotcha" questions. They add nothing to the debate. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 5, 2024 15:02:00 GMT
Will a victim dying make the sun shine brighter for you? Why dont you try it and we will see. - wishing the death of a fellow poster is hardly appropriate in any context. |
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Post by trymer on Aug 5, 2024 15:03:36 GMT
Why dont you try it and we will see. - wishing the death of a fellow poster is hardly appropriate in any context. Not wishing just suggesting. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2024 15:07:15 GMT
Why dont you try it and we will see. - wishing the death of a fellow poster is hardly appropriate in any context. Terry, in fairness it was a ridiculous post by Oldie to even mention it. |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 5, 2024 15:11:28 GMT
trymer - wishing the death of a fellow poster is hardly appropriate in any context. Not wishing just suggesting. It was a pretty poor initial comment and follow up repost. Doesn't help with the tone on here. |
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Post by trymer on Aug 5, 2024 15:15:38 GMT
Not wishing just suggesting. It was a pretty poor initial comment and follow up repost. Doesn't help with the tone on here. tbh I dont really care,when Aghast and Oldie can accuse me of being a racist but refuse to show any racist posts that i have made I feel that I can say anything I like back to them. |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 5, 2024 15:21:22 GMT
It was a pretty poor initial comment and follow up repost. Doesn't help with the tone on here. tbh I dont really care,when Aghast and Oldie can accuse me of being a racist but refuse to show any racist posts that i have made I feel that I can say anything I like back to them. Was it you who suggested Aghast had an unhealthy interest in children? Maybe we all should take a step back and think before posting. |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 5, 2024 15:22:17 GMT
Priti Patel not happy with Nigel Farage's comments. From the Mail:
"But, speaking to Times Radio, Dame Priti - who was in charge of the Home Office between 2019 to 2022 - said there was a 'stark difference' between previous protests and the violent riots of the past week.
'I've seen the statement and the comments that he has made, particularly about the Black Lives Matter protest, which, by the way, took place during the pandemic when we had a range of restrictions around protest,' the former home secretary said.
'There's a clear difference between effectively blocking streets or roads being closed to burning down libraries, hotels, food banks and attacking places of worship. What we have seen is thuggery, violence, racism.
'Those kinds of comments are simply not relevant right now. That is not correct. It is not correct.
'There's a stark difference between what we've been seeing over the last week. Over the last week we saw the most appalling stabbings in Southport."
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