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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 12:34:42 GMT
Nobby Stop this nonsense of ignoring the facts of history. You cannot rewrite it just because those of us who told you this would happen in 2010 turned out to be right. I know you voted for it and it's embarrassing for you, but heh, that's the way it goes when you ignore what's staring you in the face The 'facts of history'. You're having a laugh surely! What 'facts of history' did your post contain? There you go again...in denial Anyway let's not divert this fascinating thread where some of our members are bending over backwards trying to explain why the current demonstrations and associated thuggery is caused by Muslims.
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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 12:37:00 GMT
I guess if you ask stupid questions in tense situations.... Not a stupid question, and do you think it's right that the Met Police Commissioner should act in this way? And just what was "tense" about the situation? I'm really surprised that you are defending him here. Stupid question? Do we have two tier policing? Or is that a figment of imagination of the intellectually challenged Tommy Robinson supporting thugs?
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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 12:38:08 GMT
True, but back then we were not letting in hundred of illegals in daily like we are now. We know that most of these get rid of their passports before traveling in order to not be identified.I'm only guessing here,but maybe its a case of having to hold them in the hotels like a nice champ because they don't have any documentation to get on the legal system? The Tory government after 2010 have a lot to answer for. 4 weeks into a new government...pooh, let's blame them. Why are so many asylum applicants holed up in hotels? Because the Tories oversaw the degredation of our Home Office. A huge back log of applicants, creating emergency accommodation issues. 4 weeks in to a new government,...ooh let's blame them. 2010, 2016, 2019 and here we are But let's blame a 4 week old government. And Muslims, Asian, Africans, in fact anyone. Apart from those who caused this disaster We disagree on almost everything on here but you are 100% completely right there. I've knocked Starmer for his press conferences about this crisis, I think he has basically declared war ( if only emotionally) on the majority of the British population,and it's an act that will most likely cost him his career by the end of the year. That said he didn't create this problem today,it's the legacy of 20 years of government starting with that evil, satanic Mr Blair. I know you didn't want Brexit, but due to the fact that the majority voted for it,then it should have honoured, correct? The Torries PROMISED to stop the boats,along with illegal immigration.They lied and flooded our country an I will always hate them for that. Conclusion, these illegals should not be here to begin with, but once the system has allowed them in "illegally", where the f**k else are we going to put them other then these hotels? However,Starmer has been in office for 4 weeks and he could have pulled the drawbridge up this since he has got in,but he jas decided not to,and done the opposite and left boarders open,and said that he will let in more. He is now as negligent as the others ,as he is continuing this problem while turning his back on his country and it's safety,by supporting the illegals here. Pull the drawbridge up, we are FULL.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 5, 2024 12:42:12 GMT
True, but back then we were not letting in hundred of illegals in daily like we are now. We know that most of these get rid of their passports before traveling in order to not be identified.I'm only guessing here,but maybe its a case of having to hold them in the hotels like a nice champ because they don't have any documentation to get on the legal system? The Tory government after 2010 have a lot to answer for. 4 weeks into a new government...pooh, let's blame them. Why are so many asylum applicants holed up in hotels? Because the Tories oversaw the degredation of our Home Office. A huge back log of applicants, creating emergency accommodation issues. 4 weeks in to a new government,...ooh let's blame them. 2010, 2016, 2019 and here we are But let's blame a 4 week old government. And Muslims, Asian, Africans, in fact anyone. Apart from those who caused this disaster Yes,the Conservatives have played a big part,with Labours Opposition fighting their efforts all the way. Failing to acknowledge Blairs major role in this mess makes your post look too partisan . Neither of our two main parties have any intention of listening to the concerns of about 40,000 000 Britons regarding immigration and Islam.
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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 12:49:25 GMT
The Tory government after 2010 have a lot to answer for. 4 weeks into a new government...pooh, let's blame them. Why are so many asylum applicants holed up in hotels? Because the Tories oversaw the degredation of our Home Office. A huge back log of applicants, creating emergency accommodation issues. 4 weeks in to a new government,...ooh let's blame them. 2010, 2016, 2019 and here we are But let's blame a 4 week old government. And Muslims, Asian, Africans, in fact anyone. Apart from those who caused this disaster We disagree on almost everything on here but you are 100% completely right there. I've knocked Starmer for his press conferences about this crisis, I think him has basically declared war ( if only emotionally) on the majority of the British population,and it's an act that will most likely cost him his career by the end of the year. That said he didn't create this problem today,it's the legacy of 20 years of government starting with that evil, satanic Mr Blair. I know you didn't want Brexit, but due to the fact that the majority voted for it,then it should have honoured, correct? The Torries PROMISED to stop the boats,along with illegal immigration.They lied and flooded our country an I will always hate them for that. Conclusion, these illegals should not be here to begin with, but once the system has allowed them in "illegally", where the f**k else are we going to put them other then these hotels? However,Starmer has been in office for 4 weeks and he could have pulled the drawbridge up this since he has got in,but he decided not to,and fine the opposite and left boarders open,and said that he will let in more. He is now as negligent as the others ,as he is continuing this problem while turning his back on his country and it's safety supporting the illegals here. Pull the drawbridge up, we are FULL. On the migrants. The floodgates opened when the Johnson Government changed the visa rules for migrants workers and students when he was forced to face the economic reality of what he had done with Brexit. Yes, I think Brexit has harmed us, economically and socially. Yes 52% voted for it, but their vote was predicated on an absolute lie. So we continue to point that out to this day as our country floats down the Swannee. In terms of what Starmer should do? We are a law abiding nation, one with a reputation for standing by the laws and treaties we have signed up to. Unless of course our government is led by people like Farage and Johnson. Starmer will not contravene those, rightly so. Change them? Perhaps, but you cannot do that in four weeks.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 12:52:27 GMT
The Tory government after 2010 have a lot to answer for. 4 weeks into a new government...pooh, let's blame them. Why are so many asylum applicants holed up in hotels? Because the Tories oversaw the degredation of our Home Office. A huge back log of applicants, creating emergency accommodation issues. 4 weeks in to a new government,...ooh let's blame them. 2010, 2016, 2019 and here we are But let's blame a 4 week old government. And Muslims, Asian, Africans, in fact anyone. Apart from those who caused this disaster Yes,the Conservatives have played a big part,with Labours Opposition fighting their efforts all the way. Failing to acknowledge Blairs major role in this mess makes your post look too partisan . Neither of our two main parties have any intention of listening to the concerns of about 40,000 000 Britons regarding immigration and Islam. And that's the fact that they try to ignore, or play down as racism. So there are 40 million racists here in the UK? Yet a government that could only collect 9 million votes to get in office is in charge of solving the problems of those said racists. That will work..
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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 12:53:06 GMT
The Tory government after 2010 have a lot to answer for. 4 weeks into a new government...pooh, let's blame them. Why are so many asylum applicants holed up in hotels? Because the Tories oversaw the degredation of our Home Office. A huge back log of applicants, creating emergency accommodation issues. 4 weeks in to a new government,...ooh let's blame them. 2010, 2016, 2019 and here we are But let's blame a 4 week old government. And Muslims, Asian, Africans, in fact anyone. Apart from those who caused this disaster Yes,the Conservatives have played a big part,with Labours Opposition fighting their efforts all the way. Failing to acknowledge Blairs major role in this mess makes your post look too partisan . Neither of our two main parties have any intention of listening to the concerns of about 40,000 000 Britons regarding immigration and Islam. What was Blair's role in changing our visa rules that has resulted that have resulted in 1.2 million immigrants on visas annually? Could you explain what his role was?
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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 13:03:09 GMT
Yes,the Conservatives have played a big part,with Labours Opposition fighting their efforts all the way. Failing to acknowledge Blairs major role in this mess makes your post look too partisan . Neither of our two main parties have any intention of listening to the concerns of about 40,000 000 Britons regarding immigration and Islam. And that's the fact that they try to ignore, or play down as racism. So there are 40 million racists here in the UK? Yet a government that could only collect 9 million votes to get in office is in charge of solving the problems of those said racists. That will work.. Disagreeing with you is not the polar opposite of accusing everyone of being racist. True racists need no accusation, their words and actions speak for themselves
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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 13:06:05 GMT
And that's the fact that they try to ignore, or play down as racism. So there are 40 million racists here in the UK? Yet a government that could only collect 9 million votes to get in office is in charge of solving the problems of those said racists. That will work.. Disagreeing with you is not the polar opposite of accusing everyone of being racist. True racists need no accusation, their words and actions speak for themselves What like mine in your opinion? Do you believe that I am a racist?
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Post by baselswh on Aug 5, 2024 13:17:05 GMT
Two tier policing. It exists.
The Mayor of London,the the Home Secretary and PM.The way they have spoken differently about 'two different tribes' committing the same crime of rioting.
Differing Police Forces would see differing styles, but it should not be to the extent we"ve witnessed.
[bNot forgetting the Police took the knee for the Far Left fad,BLM.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 13:21:37 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Aug 5, 2024 13:38:24 GMT
Inviting Islam to be amongst us remains the great British mistake. For the record I think this character was actually born in England.I've seen him debate with people, he is capable of gesticulating and raising his voice in aggressive manner. Many will claim this religion integrates.They are either liars,stupid or both. Islam is here to change us. That is the plan.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 13:42:45 GMT
Inviting Islam to be amongst us remains the great British mistake. For the record I think this character was actually born in England.I've seen him debate with people, he is capable of gesticulating and raising his voice in aggressive manner. Many will claim this religion integrates.They are either liars,stupid or both. Islam is here to change us. That is the plan. I know, when I said imported, I meant Islam itself.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 14:03:55 GMT
We disagree on almost everything on here but you are 100% completely right there. I've knocked Starmer for his press conferences about this crisis, I think him has basically declared war ( if only emotionally) on the majority of the British population,and it's an act that will most likely cost him his career by the end of the year. That said he didn't create this problem today,it's the legacy of 20 years of government starting with that evil, satanic Mr Blair. I know you didn't want Brexit, but due to the fact that the majority voted for it,then it should have honoured, correct? The Torries PROMISED to stop the boats,along with illegal immigration.They lied and flooded our country an I will always hate them for that. Conclusion, these illegals should not be here to begin with, but once the system has allowed them in "illegally", where the f**k else are we going to put them other then these hotels? However,Starmer has been in office for 4 weeks and he could have pulled the drawbridge up this since he has got in,but he decided not to,and fine the opposite and left boarders open,and said that he will let in more. He is now as negligent as the others ,as he is continuing this problem while turning his back on his country and it's safety supporting the illegals here. Pull the drawbridge up, we are FULL. On the migrants. The floodgates opened when the Johnson Government changed the visa rules for migrants workers and students when he was forced to face the economic reality of what he had done with Brexit. Yes, I think Brexit has harmed us, economically and socially. Yes 52% voted for it, but their vote was predicated on an absolute lie. So we continue to point that out to this day as our country floats down the Swannee. In terms of what Starmer should do? We are a law abiding nation, one with a reputation for standing by the laws and treaties we have signed up to. Unless of course our government is led by people like Farage and Johnson. Starmer will not contravene those, rightly so. Change them? Perhaps, but you cannot do that in four weeks. "On the migrants. The floodgates opened when the Johnson Government changed the visa rules for migrants workers and students when he was forced to face the economic reality of what he had done with Brexit." ... The gates were open way before then, and it started with Blair whether you admit or not. And unless you are ignorant or stupid, (which I believe you are not nither), rather intentionally challenging to prove your point,you don't believe that honestly either. In 2016 I voted Brexit as we were full to the max on terms of immigration back then.I know 99% of the other people that voted Brexit also felt the same. Agreed, the 2nd tsunami wave of migrations happened under Johnson,but now we are experiencing the 3rd and 4th waves of "illegal invasion" under Starmer. ..... "Yes, I think Brexit has harmed us, economically and socially. Yes 52% voted for it, but their vote was predicated on an absolute lie. So we continue to point that out to this day as our country floats down the Swannee." .... What lie was that? You weren't sold a lie as you never voted for it. I knew what I voted for,as did millions more so don't try to say we didn't.. " The lie" you speak of, happened in the last general election when the Torries said that they were going to implement the Brexit result in the last election. Brexit hasn't worked because it couldn't have, it doesn't work because the Torries and now labour never wanted it to.
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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 14:16:29 GMT
Disagreeing with you is not the polar opposite of accusing everyone of being racist. True racists need no accusation, their words and actions speak for themselves What like mine in your opinion? Do you believe that I am a racist? What I find, from what I read from your posts on here, is that you are often irrational, on many occasions you get the facts wrong and I suspect you are overly influenced by social media. Whether that makes you a racist or not is for you to know and not for me to judge.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2024 14:19:35 GMT
Yes,the Conservatives have played a big part,with Labours Opposition fighting their efforts all the way. Failing to acknowledge Blairs major role in this mess makes your post look too partisan . Neither of our two main parties have any intention of listening to the concerns of about 40,000 000 Britons regarding immigration and Islam. What was Blair's role in changing our visa rules that has resulted that have resulted in 1.2 million immigrants on visas annually? Could you explain what his role was? "Under Blair's Labour, up to 5.5million people born outside the UK arrived as long-term migrants. Between 1997 and 2010, around 2.3million left the country, meaning the UK population increased by around 3.2million as a direct result of foreign migrants." In May 2004, the EU welcomed ten new member states – the majority from Central and Eastern Europe – in what was the largest expansion in the history of European integration. The UK was one of only three member states, alongside Sweden and Ireland, to open its labour market to these new EU citizens immediately. At the time, Labour’s decision was largely uncontroversial and met with bipartisan support in parliament. Yet this was to be perhaps Tony Blair’s greatest unintended legacy and ultimately a contributor to his party’s electoral defeat in years to come. Although ten countries became EU member states in 2004, attention focused on the “A8 countries”. These were Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia. While the number of migrants from Central and Eastern Europe into the UK was predicted to be in the region of 5,000 to 13,000 on the assumption that other member states would also open their labour markets, most didn’t. And the flows turned out to be over 20 times the upper end of this estimate." In 2004 and 2005, 129,000 migrants from the A8 countries entered Britain, according to research by migration researcher John Salt that takes into account various ways of measuring immigration. "
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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 14:27:22 GMT
Two tier policing. It exists. The Mayor of London,the the Home Secretary and PM.The way they have spoken differently about 'two different tribes' committing the same crime of rioting. Differing Police Forces would see differing styles, but it should not be to the extent we"ve witnessed. [bNot forgetting the Police took the knee for the Far Left fad,BLM. They have? I must have missed that. Do you have link to any evidence for that?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 5, 2024 14:27:27 GMT
"On the migrants. The floodgates opened when the Johnson Government changed the visa rules for migrants workers and students when he was forced to face the economic reality of what he had done with Brexit." The gates were open way before then, and it started with Blair whether you admit or not. And unless you are ignorant or stupid, (which I believe you are not nither), rather intentionally challenging to prove your point,you don't believe that honestly either. In 2016 I voted Brexit as we were full to the max on terms of immigration back then.I know 99% of the other people that voted Brexit also felt the same. Agreed, the 2nd tsunami wave of migrations happened under Johnson,but now we are experiencing the 3rd and 4th waves of "illegal invasion" under Starmer. ..... "Yes, I think Brexit has harmed us, economically and socially. Yes 52% voted for it, but their vote was predicated on an absolute lie. So we continue to point that out to this day as our country floats down the Swannee." What lie was that? You weren't sold a lie as you never voted for it. I knew what I voted for,as did millions more so don't try to say we didn't.. " The lie" you speak of, happened in the last general election when the Torries said that they were going to implement the Brexit result in the last election. Brexit hasn't worked because it couldn't have, it doesn't work because the Torries and now labour never wanted it to.There were many lies told about Brexit. - that there were dozens of deals to be done straight away - oven ready - the USA are ready to do a deal with us straight away - freedom of movement wouldn't change - EU companies would beat a path to our door to trade with us - we hold all the cards - we were taking back our Sovereignty - the actions of the EU countries to act alone or coordinated when he suited them in the pandemic showed that to be a lie. We always had sovereignty. - the EU needs us more than we need them - £350mln per week to be given to the NHS - Investment would pour in Leaving the EU was timed to coincide with their tightening up of tax restrictions. Rees Mogg admitted that. All those billionaires like Ratcliffe and Dyson who backed Brexit all f***** off after the result. Brexit didn't work and continues not to work because it never could. We left our biggest market and tried to get deals with smaller markets on the other side of the world which have screwed us. The EU people who worked here and cost social services little have been replaced by workers from Asia and Africa who come with their families including parents, only a small proportion of whom work. 42% of visas recently granted were for workers' families not workers. Few EU workers brought families and many were transitional. Brexiteers got exactly what they wanted as EU people went back including many tradesman. But the Tories had to replace them with non EU citizens who come with families and dependents. The legal migration caused by the Tories is far in excess of anything created by illegal boats. Statistics - Key statistics: Coming to work - there were 315,018 visas granted to work in the year ending March 2024, more than double (+130%) the number prior to the pandemic in 2019
‘Skilled Worker – Health and Care’ visas have provided the majority of the growth in work visas in the last 2 years, following the expansion of the route in late 2021 to include ‘care workers and home carers’, with 118,522 grants to main applicants in the latest year in the first quarter of 2024, there were 9,088 ‘Skilled Worker – Health and Care’ visas granted, 75% fewer than the first quarter of 2023 due to a large fall in visas for ‘Care workers and home carers’ there were 290,246 visas granted to dependants of people who had been granted a work visa, 55% more than in the year ending March 2023, primarily in the Health and Care sector 139,175 ‘Graduate’ route extensions were granted to main applicants in the year ending March 2024, 49% higher than in the year ending March 2023, accounting for 40% of work extensions to main applicants. Oh and as an aside, not sure if it was your good self who asked but Starmer has postponed the start of his holidays to sort.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 14:30:14 GMT
What like mine in your opinion? Do you believe that I am a racist? What I find, from what I read from your posts on here, is that you are often irrational, on many occasions you get the facts wrong and I suspect you are overly influenced by social media. Whether that makes you a racist or not is for you to know and not for me to judge. The irrational bit I very much disagree with,but it's your opinion . I believe that you often get confused with conversations/issues that you are having with multiple people on here, and that includes myself.Thats not a dig btw, it my opinion and how you come across from my experience. Thats why I keep going back to you accusing me of doing something that I never did.I believe that you cross wires between multiple discussions on here.If you had admitted you may have been wrong, then I would have respected you for that. Anyway enough of that. Just to clarify, I've got not one racist bone in my body. So let's move on.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 14:32:22 GMT
"On the migrants. The floodgates opened when the Johnson Government changed the visa rules for migrants workers and students when he was forced to face the economic reality of what he had done with Brexit." The gates were open way before then, and it started with Blair whether you admit or not. And unless you are ignorant or stupid, (which I believe you are not nither), rather intentionally challenging to prove your point,you don't believe that honestly either. In 2016 I voted Brexit as we were full to the max on terms of immigration back then.I know 99% of the other people that voted Brexit also felt the same. Agreed, the 2nd tsunami wave of migrations happened under Johnson,but now we are experiencing the 3rd and 4th waves of "illegal invasion" under Starmer. ..... "Yes, I think Brexit has harmed us, economically and socially. Yes 52% voted for it, but their vote was predicated on an absolute lie. So we continue to point that out to this day as our country floats down the Swannee." What lie was that? You weren't sold a lie as you never voted for it. I knew what I voted for,as did millions more so don't try to say we didn't.. " The lie" you speak of, happened in the last general election when the Torries said that they were going to implement the Brexit result in the last election. Brexit hasn't worked because it couldn't have, it doesn't work because the Torries and now labour never wanted it to.There were many lies told about Brexit. - that there were dozens of deals to be done straight away - oven ready - the USA are ready to do a deal with us straight away - freedom of movement wouldn't change - EU companies would beat a path to our door to trade with us - we hold all the cards - we were taking back our Sovereignty - the actions of the EU countries to act alone or coordinated when he suited them in the pandemic showed that to be a lie. We always had sovereignty. - the EU needs us more than we need them - £350mln per week to be given to the NHS - Investment would pour in Leaving the EU was timed to coincide with their tightening up of tax restrictions. Rees Mogg admitted that. All those billionaires like Ratcliffe and Dyson who backed Brexit all f***** off after the result. Brexit didn't work and continues not to work because it never could. We left our biggest market and tried to get deals with smaller markets on the other side of the world which have screwed us. The EU people who worked here and cost social services little have been replaced by workers from Asia and Africa who come with their families including parents, only a small proportion of whom work. 42% of visas recently granted were for workers' families not workers. Few EU workers brought families and many were transitional. Brexiteers got exactly what they wanted as EU people went back including many tradesman. But the Tories had to replace them with non EU citizens who come with families and dependents. The legal migration caused by the Tories is far in excess of anything created by illegal boats. Oh and as an aside, not sure if it was your good self who asked but Starmer has postponed the start of his holidays to sort. I maybe wrong but I believe it was Basel, but it wasn't me.
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