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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 8:54:10 GMT
A left wing paper saying bad stuff about Robinson,now that's a surprise.🙄 Tommy left for a holiday with his family and is returning in a few weeks time where he knows that he will be arrested, and put in jail for two years due to a kangaroo court, and bent judge.
Which country is he going to? He lives in Tenerife... So you are effectively saying the whole legal system is corrupt? What evidence do you have of that. I'm not staying the whole legal system is corrupt, definitely some areas are. For example why haven't the Muslim men in the Manchester Airport attack not been charged, or jailed yet for attacking the police? The CCTV has been leaked and anyone with eyes can see they are guilty. But why not any ruling yet? Is it because they are worried about the potential Muslim backlash if jailed,as you know there will be. They will probably just let them off and the system will hope that we forget that it even happened due to the sea of violence across the country today. We go back to Robinson, in 2019 he was arrested for being outside Leeds court reporting on a case that that was happening that day. All he did was read publicly released information while streaming live over the Internet.I watched that live feed that day, and he did nothing wrong. He was jailed for contempt of court for 13 months within two hours of his arrest. How is that possible? Interesting enough he won his appeal after 3 months in jail as it was a kangaroo judge,at set up trying to get Robinson in jail for anything. The same that will happen in a few weeks time,or in November when he is in court. |
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 5, 2024 8:54:39 GMT
Yvette Cooper pledges 'a reckoning' for rioters as PM to hold emergency meeting..by Sam Hancockichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/497a/live/eda44850-52f0-11ef-b2d2-cdb23d5d7c5b.jpgHome Secretary Yvette Cooper condemns "disgraceful scenes of violence and thuggery" following days of protests in UK towns and cities She tells BBC Breakfast "there will be a reckoning" and pledges "swift justice" for those involved in the unrest Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer is due to hold an emergency response meeting later after he described the protests as "far-right thuggery" Today's meeting - known as Cobra - will gather ministers, civil servants, the police and intelligence officers Rioters will 'face full force of law' after 'far-right thuggery' - Keir Starmer
Keir Starmer condemned the violent disorder yesterday, saying those who’ve taken part will “face the full force of the law”. He described the protests as “far-right thuggery” and that it has “no place on our streets or online”. He said Muslim communities and minorities have been targeted and singled out, mosques and police officers have been attacked, and Nazi salutes have been seen in the streets. “I guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether directly or those whipping up this action online,” he said. "There is no justification for taking this action,” he said, adding that people have“a right to be safe”.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 8:57:44 GMT
Ice, I was pushed a video on YouTube this morning (I don't normally watch influencer type stuff) and wondered what your take was on this. I know nothing about the guy or what else he's said so I'm not vouching for him or anything. Does anything he's saying sound relevant? I will take a look.. 👍 |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 9:18:43 GMT
Yvette Cooper pledges 'a reckoning' for rioters as PM to hold emergency meeting..by Sam Hancockichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/497a/live/eda44850-52f0-11ef-b2d2-cdb23d5d7c5b.jpgHome Secretary Yvette Cooper condemns "disgraceful scenes of violence and thuggery" following days of protests in UK towns and cities She tells BBC Breakfast "there will be a reckoning" and pledges "swift justice" for those involved in the unrest Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer is due to hold an emergency response meeting later after he described the protests as "far-right thuggery" Today's meeting - known as Cobra - will gather ministers, civil servants, the police and intelligence officers Rioters will 'face full force of law' after 'far-right thuggery' - Keir Starmer
Keir Starmer condemned the violent disorder yesterday, saying those who’ve taken part will “face the full force of the law”. He described the protests as “far-right thuggery” and that it has “no place on our streets or online”. He said Muslim communities and minorities have been targeted and singled out, mosques and police officers have been attacked, and Nazi salutes have been seen in the streets. “I guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether directly or those whipping up this action online,” he said. "There is no justification for taking this action,” he said, adding that people have“a right to be safe”. "I guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether directly or those whipping up this action online,” he said. "There is no justification for taking this action,” he said, adding that people have“a right to be safe”. ..... How will this wreckless rhetoric calm down this situation? He is only going to anger those that are rioting more! He is weak & pathetic. I actually think he should be arrested for fuelling riots and further destabilising the country (if there exists such a law). He has declared war on his own people apart from Muslims. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2024 9:56:43 GMT
Yvette Cooper pledges 'a reckoning' for rioters as PM to hold emergency meeting..by Sam Hancockichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/497a/live/eda44850-52f0-11ef-b2d2-cdb23d5d7c5b.jpgHome Secretary Yvette Cooper condemns "disgraceful scenes of violence and thuggery" following days of protests in UK towns and cities She tells BBC Breakfast "there will be a reckoning" and pledges "swift justice" for those involved in the unrest Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer is due to hold an emergency response meeting later after he described the protests as "far-right thuggery" Today's meeting - known as Cobra - will gather ministers, civil servants, the police and intelligence officers Rioters will 'face full force of law' after 'far-right thuggery' - Keir Starmer
Keir Starmer condemned the violent disorder yesterday, saying those who’ve taken part will “face the full force of the law”. He described the protests as “far-right thuggery” and that it has “no place on our streets or online”. He said Muslim communities and minorities have been targeted and singled out, mosques and police officers have been attacked, and Nazi salutes have been seen in the streets. “I guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether directly or those whipping up this action online,” he said. "There is no justification for taking this action,” he said, adding that people have“a right to be safe”. "I guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether directly or those whipping up this action online,” he said. "There is no justification for taking this action,” he said, adding that people have“a right to be safe”. ..... How will this wreckless rhetoric calm down this situation? He is only going to anger those that are rioting more! He is weak & pathetic. I actually think he should be arrested for fuelling riots and further destabilising the country (if there exists such a law). He has declared war on his own people apart from Muslims. The politicians are not 'reading the room' are they. Anyone with half a brain cell condemns the violent actions we are witnessing. However, the violence is borne from the frustration that many people in the country are feeling. The vast majority of those people, who we have in the past called the 'silent majority' remain silent. The hardline rhetoric from Starmer and Cooper is indeed worrying as it does nothing to address any of the issues that people feel aggrieved about. Economically times are hard and this will always lead to frustration. The government take away the Winter Heating Allowance from 10 million OAP's, saying that the country cannot afford it, yet the government can splash the cash on bumper pay rises for the Public Sector, and increasing costs for illegal immigrants. We know in the very near future the government are planning to raid the pockets of the people yet again with further tax rises. The government's energy policy will lead to higher fuel bills in the future. Only 20% of the electorate voted for this government, so they are on a very sticky wicket. They do not have this clear mandate they seem to think they have. As for the illegal and legal immigration, successive government's have been full of lies, both Labour and Tory. Successive government's have help fuel this problem, and none of them have any answers except to tell people to 'suck it up'. The very low turnout in the General Election was proof that many people have lost all faith in our politicians. Labour only got elected by default. When you have this situation, then people will look for alternatives, right or wrongly. The ineptitude and incompetence of Labour and the Tories have led us to where we are now. How do we get out of it? I've no idea, but it will be messy. |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 10:08:23 GMT
"I guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether directly or those whipping up this action online,” he said. "There is no justification for taking this action,” he said, adding that people have“a right to be safe”. ..... How will this wreckless rhetoric calm down this situation? He is only going to anger those that are rioting more! He is weak & pathetic. I actually think he should be arrested for fuelling riots and further destabilising the country (if there exists such a law). He has declared war on his own people apart from Muslims. The politicians are not 'reading the room' are they. Anyone with half a brain cell condemns the violent actions we are witnessing. However, the violence is borne from the frustration that many people in the country are feeling. The vast majority of those people, who we have in the past called the 'silent majority' remain silent. The hardline rhetoric from Starmer and Cooper is indeed worrying as it does nothing to address any of the issues that people feel aggrieved about. Economically times are hard and this will always lead to frustration. The government take away the Winter Heating Allowance from 10 million OAP's, saying that the country cannot afford it, yet the government can splash the cash on bumper pay rises for the Public Sector, and increasing costs for illegal immigrants. We know in the very near future the government are planning to raid the pockets of the people yet again with further tax rises. The government's energy policy will lead to higher fuel bills in the future. Only 20% of the electorate voted for this government, so they are on a very sticky wicket. They do not have this clear mandate they seem to think they have. As for the illegal and legal immigration, successive government's have been full of lies, both Labour and Tory. Successive government's have help fuel this problem, and none of them have any answers except to tell people to 'suck it up'. The very low turnout in the General Election was proof that many people have lost all faith in our politicians. Labour only got elected by default. When you have this situation, then people will look for alternatives, right or wrongly. The ineptitude and incompetence of Labour and the Tories have led us to where we are now. How do we get out of it? I've no idea, but it will be messy. Brilliant post..👏 |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2024 10:13:57 GMT
Mixed messages from politicians...
"Ms Edwards Labour MP, re-elected on July 4 after winning a by-election last year, told MPs on July 30 that the residents of her town “wanted their hotel back” and asked why it was being used to accommodate asylum seekers.
Speaking in the Commons on July 30, Ms Edwards, who hosted a visit from Home Secretary Yvette Cooper last month, said: “In Tamworth, the Holiday Inn has been used for asylum purposes for years and the simple reality is that residents want their hotel back.
“Tamworth benefits from local tourism and as I have said before in this chamber, the Holiday Inn should be for holidays."
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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 10:40:04 GMT
Ice, I was pushed a video on YouTube this morning (I don't normally watch influencer type stuff) and wondered what your take was on this. I know nothing about the guy or what else he's said so I'm not vouching for him or anything. Does anything he's saying sound relevant? I just watched it. I thought he spoke alot of common sense, but also some nonsense as well but a well balanced individual, I could follow him. He seemed to be anti Tommy, stated that Tommy does what he does to increase his wealth...😂 If anyone thinks that his reason for his activism is for a monetary gain then you are being very naive.There are currently 3 jihadists that plotted to kill him in prison, he does this for the right reasons.He will one day get killed for his activism and he knows that. We are not a country of immigrants, but rather one that has a history of cultural exchange. The poles and the Irish moved here in the past yet shared the same morals and value for life as us, and shared similar religious faiths to us also.They added to society and mixed well, Muslims don't. Islam as a cultural does not want to nither.They live in there little areas/ghettos and try to expand and take more off it's host land. Muslims do not want to conform to our rules and laws, they only require for us to embrace,or rather just deal with theirs. How he classed GB News and Talk TV as extreme was also an odd suggestion. I agreed that if each of the rioters had a million pound put in there bank today, then they would not be doing it tomorrow. The way I see it is that the liberals of today HATE British culture,and the thought of being proud of being British, and classes anyone that does as " racist". This also involves the past two decades of governments. .... Everyone blames the reaction,but no one is willing to condemn what started the outrage. Now that's the problem. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 5, 2024 10:49:35 GMT
Mixed messages from politicians... "Ms Edwards Labour MP, re-elected on July 4 after winning a by-election last year, told MPs on July 30 that the residents of her town “wanted their hotel back” and asked why it was being used to accommodate asylum seekers. Speaking in the Commons on July 30, Ms Edwards, who hosted a visit from Home Secretary Yvette Cooper last month, said: “In Tamworth, the Holiday Inn has been used for asylum purposes for years and the simple reality is that residents want their hotel back. “Tamworth benefits from local tourism and as I have said before in this chamber, the Holiday Inn should be for holidays." People do want their hotels back. They should be in use for the purpose they were intended but its far more remunerative to house asylum seekers. The country shouldn't have been brought to its knees by a failed asylum system, robbed of cash, spent on Tory's friends, the asylum decision makers hacked back in the name of austerity. They weren't in hotels in 2010 when the system was working. But if you take away the tools for doing the job, you are going to have a crisis. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 5, 2024 11:06:28 GMT
Which country is he going to? He lives in Tenerife... So you are effectively saying the whole legal system is corrupt? What evidence do you have of that. I'm not staying the whole legal system is corrupt, definitely some areas are. For example why haven't the Muslim men in the Manchester Airport attack not been charged, or jailed yet for attacking the police? The CCTV has been leaked and anyone with eyes can see they are guilty. But why not any ruling yet? Is it because they are worried about the potential Muslim backlash if jailed,as you know there will be. They will probably just let them off and the system will hope that we forget that it even happened due to the sea of violence across the country today. We go back to Robinson, in 2019 he was arrested for being outside Leeds court reporting on a case that that was happening that day. All he did was read publicly released information while streaming live over the Internet. I watched that live feed that day, and he did nothing wrong. He was jailed for contempt of court for 13 months within two hours of his arrest. How is that possible? Interesting enough he won his appeal after 3 months in jail as it was a kangaroo judge,at set up trying to get Robinson in jail for anything. The same that will happen in a few weeks time, or in November when he is in court. But you are saying the whole system is correct because whatever judge he gets you are effectively saying its a stitch up. Yaxley Lennon likes to play the martyr. He has broken the law on a number of occasions. On this occasion he told lies, admitted his guilt and had to pay compensation and was told not to repeat the lies. He repeated those lies and showed the film with the lies still in. If I had lost a court case and was told not to repeat lies I would make sure I didn't repeat them. He provokes the law and suffers the consequences. And his lads promote his martyrdom. The speed of a case is dependent on the evidence available to proceed the case and the decision taken by the CPS. The publishing of evidence does not always help a case either. The case in Manchester is made up of several elements which will have to be brought together, and that will include the internal police investigation. |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 5, 2024 11:08:26 GMT
Mixed messages from politicians... "Ms Edwards Labour MP, re-elected on July 4 after winning a by-election last year, told MPs on July 30 that the residents of her town “wanted their hotel back” and asked why it was being used to accommodate asylum seekers. Speaking in the Commons on July 30, Ms Edwards, who hosted a visit from Home Secretary Yvette Cooper last month, said: “In Tamworth, the Holiday Inn has been used for asylum purposes for years and the simple reality is that residents want their hotel back. “Tamworth benefits from local tourism and as I have said before in this chamber, the Holiday Inn should be for holidays." People do want their hotels back. They should be in use for the purpose they were intended but its far more remunerative to house asylum seekers. The country shouldn't have been brought to its knees by a failed asylum system, robbed of cash, spent on Tory's friends, the asylum decision makers hacked back in the name of austerity. They weren't in hotels in 2010 when the system was working. But if you take away the tools for doing the job, you are going to have a crisis. True, but back then we were not letting in hundred of illegals in daily like we are now. We know that most of these get rid of their passports before traveling in order to not be identified.I'm only guessing here,but maybe its a case of having to hold them in the hotels like a nice champ because they don't have any documentation to get on the legal system? |
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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 11:32:24 GMT
People do want their hotels back. They should be in use for the purpose they were intended but its far more remunerative to house asylum seekers. The country shouldn't have been brought to its knees by a failed asylum system, robbed of cash, spent on Tory's friends, the asylum decision makers hacked back in the name of austerity. They weren't in hotels in 2010 when the system was working. But if you take away the tools for doing the job, you are going to have a crisis. True, but back then we were not letting in hundred of illegals in daily like we are now. We know that most of these get rid of their passports before traveling in order to not be identified.I'm only guessing here,but maybe its a case of having to hold them in the hotels like a nice champ because they don't have any documentation to get on the legal system? The Tory government after 2010 have a lot to answer for. 4 weeks into a new government...pooh, let's blame them. Why are so many asylum applicants holed up in hotels? Because the Tories oversaw the degredation of our Home Office. A huge back log of applicants, creating emergency accommodation issues. 4 weeks in to a new government,...ooh let's blame them. 2010, 2016, 2019 and here we are But let's blame a 4 week old government. And Muslims, Asian, Africans, in fact anyone. Apart from those who caused this disaster |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2024 12:01:39 GMT
True, but back then we were not letting in hundred of illegals in daily like we are now. We know that most of these get rid of their passports before traveling in order to not be identified.I'm only guessing here,but maybe its a case of having to hold them in the hotels like a nice champ because they don't have any documentation to get on the legal system? The Tory government after 2010 have a lot to answer for. 4 weeks into a new government...pooh, let's blame them. Why are so many asylum applicants holed up in hotels? Because the Tories oversaw the degredation of our Home Office. A huge back log of applicants, creating emergency accommodation issues. 4 weeks in to a new government,...ooh let's blame them. 2010, 2016, 2019 and here we are But let's blame a 4 week old government. And Muslims, Asian, Africans, in fact anyone. Apart from those who caused this disaster Oldie, stop this nonsense about blaming the Tories after 2010. BOTH parties have failed on this issue, and Tony Blair opening the doors when every other European country were putting limits on migration. Yes, this government has only been in power for four weeks, but they opposed every move the Tories made over immigration, and their first move was to cancel the Rwanda Project without having any idea as to what they will do to solve it! Until people like you realise and understand that successive governments have failed on this it will never be solved. Turning it into a party political rant just doesn't wash. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2024 12:02:06 GMT
Meanwhile.....
"Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley reacted rather forcefully when asked a simple question from a journalist today. While leaving the emergency COBRA meeting, a reporter asked “are you going to end two-tier policing?”. Rowley’s response was to grab the microphone and throw it on the floor."
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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 12:07:11 GMT
The Tory government after 2010 have a lot to answer for. 4 weeks into a new government...pooh, let's blame them. Why are so many asylum applicants holed up in hotels? Because the Tories oversaw the degredation of our Home Office. A huge back log of applicants, creating emergency accommodation issues. 4 weeks in to a new government,...ooh let's blame them. 2010, 2016, 2019 and here we are But let's blame a 4 week old government. And Muslims, Asian, Africans, in fact anyone. Apart from those who caused this disaster Oldie, stop this nonsense about blaming the Tories after 2010. BOTH parties have failed on this issue, and Tony Blair opening the doors when every other European country were putting limits on migration. Yes, this government has only been in power for four weeks, but they opposed every move the Tories made over immigration, and their first move was to cancel the Rwanda Project without having any idea as to what they will do to solve it! Until people like you realise and understand that successive governments have failed on this it will never be solved. Turning it into a party political rant just doesn't wash. Nobby Stop this nonsense of ignoring the facts of history. You cannot rewrite it just because those of us who told you this would happen in 2010 turned out to be right. I know you voted for it and it's embarrassing for you, but heh, that's the way it goes when you ignore what's staring you in the face |
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Post by oldie on Aug 5, 2024 12:08:24 GMT
Meanwhile..... "Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley reacted rather forcefully when asked a simple question from a journalist today. While leaving the emergency COBRA meeting, a reporter asked “are you going to end two-tier policing?”. Rowley’s response was to grab the microphone and throw it on the floor." I guess if you ask stupid questions in tense situations.... |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 5, 2024 12:15:09 GMT
Meanwhile..... "Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley reacted rather forcefully when asked a simple question from a journalist today. While leaving the emergency COBRA meeting, a reporter asked “are you going to end two-tier policing?”. Rowley’s response was to grab the microphone and throw it on the floor." I think it may of been filmed. The man is no doubt frustrated and under stress.Tough times to be a Bobby. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2024 12:19:27 GMT
Meanwhile..... "Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley reacted rather forcefully when asked a simple question from a journalist today. While leaving the emergency COBRA meeting, a reporter asked “are you going to end two-tier policing?”. Rowley’s response was to grab the microphone and throw it on the floor." I think it may of been filmed. The man is no doubt frustrated and under stress.Tough times to be a Bobby. It was filmed. It's on Sky and other news outlets. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2024 12:20:50 GMT
Oldie, stop this nonsense about blaming the Tories after 2010. BOTH parties have failed on this issue, and Tony Blair opening the doors when every other European country were putting limits on migration. Yes, this government has only been in power for four weeks, but they opposed every move the Tories made over immigration, and their first move was to cancel the Rwanda Project without having any idea as to what they will do to solve it! Until people like you realise and understand that successive governments have failed on this it will never be solved. Turning it into a party political rant just doesn't wash. Nobby Stop this nonsense of ignoring the facts of history. You cannot rewrite it just because those of us who told you this would happen in 2010 turned out to be right. I know you voted for it and it's embarrassing for you, but heh, that's the way it goes when you ignore what's staring you in the face The 'facts of history'. You're having a laugh surely! What 'facts of history' did your post contain? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2024 12:23:19 GMT
Meanwhile..... "Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley reacted rather forcefully when asked a simple question from a journalist today. While leaving the emergency COBRA meeting, a reporter asked “are you going to end two-tier policing?”. Rowley’s response was to grab the microphone and throw it on the floor." I guess if you ask stupid questions in tense situations.... Not a stupid question, and do you think it's right that the Met Police Commissioner should act in this way? And just what was "tense" about the situation? I'm really surprised that you are defending him here. |
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