Stabbings - UK & Worldwide

There are 2 main threads here, the Shootings and the Stabbings threads, if other crimes are mentioned on either, I am ok with that...

It beats starting other threads just for the sake of keeping every sort of other crimes seperate.

Nigel Farage is asking legitimate questions about Southport - and he's asking for all of us..by Kelvin Mackenzie.

Four years ago, on an autumn morning, Terence Carney was doing what he always did at 6am. He walked his dog around the very quiet streets of the Northern town of Hartlepool.

At 70 that stroll did him and his beloved pet a lot of good. That morning would be the last time he would make that walk. Out of a home stormed Ahmed Alid, armed with a knife.

He stabbed Mr Carney six times, leaving him to die on the pavement.

In the four years before Alid appeared in a crown court dock (he got 44 years in May) a strange silence came over the case. In the whole of that time it was never revealed by the authorities, that Alid was an Islamic extremist.

We had to wait for the court case to discover the shocking facts about his background. I took a particular interest in that case and began to realise that whenever there was a silence at the top you can be sure they are hiding something which they fear would anger the public.

In the wake of the Southport killings a big demonstration was held in Hartlepool last night. Who could blame them?

Let me be clear about one thing. I am massively hostile to the police being attacked by the mob.

The idea that 50 officers can be injured by these rioters is completely wrong and I will be delighted if they receive lengthy jail sentences for their violence.

However, that does not alter the fact that if you keep people in the dark there will be a reaction which is why I support Nigel Farage's argument that he was asking "very legitimate question" about the Southport attack.

And that’s a fair point. Were we living in the US we would know the background to these dreadful killings by now. They trust the people.

Here, the Government believe the less we know, the better.

In that silence bad actors have filled the void. It is said in The Times that the rapidly spreading fake news in Southport had all the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign.

Angela Rayner, as you might expect, was critical of Farage saying an MP had a level of responsibility and "it’s not to stoke up conspiracy theories or what you think might have happened." True. But nor is his job to swallow the Establishment line.

Just ask the people of Hartlepool. Had Mr Carney known the truth he would have kept well clear of the neighbourhood that fateful morning.

Be grateful if Nigel Farage continues to ask "legitimate questions". He’s asking for all of us.

Stay safe Icegas.
Bricks tend to get thrown, and don't stand near any off licences, as they get looted of fags and booze [do Muslims drink alcohol?]
Also stay away from police dogs, they tend to bite, but then you won't be screaming at the police I presume.

Seriously though, if you do go to watch stay safe, it's easy to get caught up in the mayhem, and as seen on Twitter bricks thrown at police sometimes hit people standing by.

Completely and utterly out of order but not entirely surprising. Just confirms a few things for me, as if they needed confirming.

Boy, 11, arrested on suspicion of police car arson.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crglyl239yjo.amp

I demand his name, ethnicity, ideology and whether or not he was on MI6 watch list. Has he been radicalised ?

Actually, no need to look or wait for the name of the 11 year old. Just make one up and pass it off as fact, no harm done

As has been said be careful,the Police will be looking to stop these protests spreading by making mass arrests,100 arrested in London on Wednesday...mind you i expect the amount actually charged was in single figures.

The BBC have a follow up story about the Southend machete gang fight earlier this week,they are a bit coy about who was involved (so it wasnt the 'EDL') but apparently two thirds of them came from London (out of towners again).

Also on the BBC there is an article about how the 'far right' are organising the protests,pretty much a non story but interesting that they say the EDL hasnt actually existed for many years.

See this is the crap that fuels tensions - the lies.

The EDL has not been around for 10 years.Tommy Robinson left the EDL before it folded because it was taken over by the far right.

It will be interesting to see that in that article they admit that the EDL is no longer around, but I guarantee that they will still go with the false narrative that it does if only for views and click bait in the near future.