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Post by Icegas on Jul 30, 2024 13:44:06 GMT
How the hell do I know! 😂 What do you think.? Precisely Only the police and his family know. So what value is there in spewing hate filled rhetoric predicated on those two presumptions? I will give you the answer NONE Let the police do their job and wait for the outcome What percentage of terrorist attacks that have happened here in the UK over the past 20 years have been committed by immigrants or Muslims? 50%..75%..95% 99%..? I would say between 95-99%. You? As someone on here said earlier, the UK population have been dumbed down to kinda think that this is now the new normal,and our politicians treat us with such contempt to suggest that there is not a problem here with Islamic extremists,and there is no connection with illegals coming here freely on boats. See Years ago that would of be called an invasion and we would be at war now. But now leftie politicians are gleefully welcoming more and more in and creating problems that are going to be generational and irreversible. Many people myself included,are not racist but have just had enough of innocent people getting killed on our streets due to this. Sometimes if it quacks like a duck,and walks like a duck, it's most likely to stab you today. |
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Post by Icegas on Jul 30, 2024 13:48:44 GMT
Of course it is if this person is proven to be an immigrant and has been radicalized by religious conditioning. Its also their fault for not policing the streets correctly and coming down on knife crime even if the attacker was a white male. Its their fault for their political failings either way. If if if. What constitutes "policing the streets correctly"? I'm not getting into that with you as you know what I mean.😴 Bobby's on the streets walking in pairs.Stop and search regardless of it offends different groups. Zero tolerance on knife crime, banning of the wearing of ski masks etc by groups of gangs carrying knifes. You know policing. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 30, 2024 14:04:49 GMT
Precisely Only the police and his family know. So what value is there in spewing hate filled rhetoric predicated on those two presumptions? I will give you the answer NONE Let the police do their job and wait for the outcome What percentage of terrorist attacks that have happened here in the UK over the past 20 years have been committed by immigrants or Muslims? 50%..75%..95% 99%..? I would say between 95-99%. You? As someone on here said earlier, the UK population have been dumbed down to kinda think that this is now the new normal,and our politicians treat us with such contempt to suggest that there is not a problem here with Islamic extremists,and there is no connection with illegals coming here freely on boats. See Years ago that would of be called an invasion and we would be at war now. But now leftie politicians are gleefully welcoming more and more in and creating problems that are going to be generational and irreversible. Many people myself included,are not racist but have just had enough of innocent people getting killed on our streets due to this. Sometimes if it quacks like a duck,and walks like a duck, it's must likely to stab you today. Why is it always a 'leftie' or Labour issue. Legal migration was ramped under the last Government. Brexiteers got their way and the Poles [ 900k+ down to 565k in 2021 and falling], Hungarians, other Central Europeans etc started to return to the EU and the Government sought people from the Asian sub continent. Sunak was looking to do a deal with India on the basis of visas. They are more likely to be Muslim than Christian if that is how you want to view it. Muslims especially are looking to get away from India with increasing Hindu oppression from the leading political party. The size of the foreign-born population in the UK increased from about 5.3 million in 2004 to over 9.5 million in 2021 (Figure 1). The growth of the foreign-born population appears to have slowed as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic, but currently available estimates suggest that net migration remained positive despite a net outflow of EU citizens (see the Migration Observatory briefing, Net migration to the UK). In the year ending June 2021, the most common reason that non-EU migrants gave for having originally moved to the UK was family (46% of non-EU born), followed by work (23%). The high shares of family migrants in the non-EU population in part reflects the fact that people who come on family visas are more likely to settle permanently than people who come on work or student visas – as explained in the Migration Observatory briefing, Settlement in the UK. (https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/#:~:text=The%20share%20of%20foreign-born) |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 30, 2024 14:14:51 GMT
If if if. What constitutes "policing the streets correctly"? 😴 Bobby's on the streets walking in pairs.Stop and search regardless of it offends different groups. Zero tolerance on knife crime, banning of the wearing of ski masks etc by groups of gangs carrying knifes. You know policing. I would love to hear as I don't know what you mean. I do know that 20,000 experienced police with years of service were cut as were backroom staff that did a lot of the paperwork. There were 146,912 in 2010 and has increased at a constant rate under a Labour Government. This fell by 2019 to 125,651 under the Tories. They realised that was a disaster. At the end of 2023 it had risen back up to 150, 697 but many are of course are in or just out of college and vastly less experienced than the officers they got rid of. That will lead to errors being made. They have not replaced the backroom staff. Further PCSOs and Special constables are down by nearly 3000. PCSOs are more likely to be visible that PCs. www.statista.com/statistics/303973/police-officer-figures-england-and-wales/ |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 30, 2024 14:21:12 GMT
Last Police statistic i heard was 1 in 5 are seriously considering leaving the job.
After what we witnessed at Manchester Airport and the reaction to it from 'woke Britain ',who can blame them.
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Post by Icegas on Jul 30, 2024 14:21:13 GMT
What percentage of terrorist attacks that have happened here in the UK over the past 20 years have been committed by immigrants or Muslims? 50%..75%..95% 99%..? I would say between 95-99%. You? As someone on here said earlier, the UK population have been dumbed down to kinda think that this is now the new normal,and our politicians treat us with such contempt to suggest that there is not a problem here with Islamic extremists,and there is no connection with illegals coming here freely on boats. See Years ago that would of be called an invasion and we would be at war now. But now leftie politicians are gleefully welcoming more and more in and creating problems that are going to be generational and irreversible. Many people myself included,are not racist but have just had enough of innocent people getting killed on our streets due to this. Sometimes if it quacks like a duck,and walks like a duck, it's must likely to stab you today. Why is it always a 'leftie' or Labour issue. Legal migration was ramped under the last Government. Brexiteers got their way and the Poles [ 900k+ down to 565k in 2021 and falling], Hungarians, other Central Europeans etc started to return to the EU and the Government sought people from the Asian sub continent. Sunak was looking to do a deal with India on the basis of visas. They are more likely to be Muslim than Christian if that is how you want to view it. Muslims especially are looking to get away from India with increasing Hindu oppression from the leading political party. The size of the foreign-born population in the UK increased from about 5.3 million in 2004 to over 9.5 million in 2021 (Figure 1). The growth of the foreign-born population appears to have slowed as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic, but currently available estimates suggest that net migration remained positive despite a net outflow of EU citizens (see the Migration Observatory briefing, Net migration to the UK). In the year ending June 2021, the most common reason that non-EU migrants gave for having originally moved to the UK was family (46% of non-EU born), followed by work (23%). The high shares of family migrants in the non-EU population in part reflects the fact that people who come on family visas are more likely to settle permanently than people who come on work or student visas – as explained in the Migration Observatory briefing, Settlement in the UK. (https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/#:~:text=The%20share%20of%20foreign-born) There is basically a hairs width of difference between Labour and the Torries party's of today.Torries are really a soft labour party now in all but name. There is no different between the two. Mass immigration and illegals were coming over in boats way before Brexit happened.This mass influx of immigrants has nothing to do with Brexit.Granted I have spoke to poles that have said that they are leaving the UK as soon as possible as they don't feel safe here anymore as the county has Changed so we are losing hard workers like the polish. |
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Post by Icegas on Jul 30, 2024 14:27:37 GMT
I'm not getting into that with you as you know what I mean.😴 Bobby's on the streets walking in pairs.Stop and search regardless of it offends different groups. Zero tolerance on knife crime, banning of the wearing of ski masks etc by groups of gangs carrying knifes. You know policing. I would love to hear as I don't know what you mean. I do know that 20,000 experienced police with years of service were cut as were backroom staff that did a lot of the paperwork. There were 146,912 in 2010 and has increased at a constant rate under a Labour Government. This fell by 2019 to 125,651 under the Tories. They realised that was a disaster. At the end of 2023 it had risen back up to 150, 697 but many are of course are in or just out of college and vastly less experienced than the officers they got rid of. That will lead to errors being made. They have not replaced the backroom staff. Further PCSOs and Special constables are down by nearly 3000. PCSOs are more likely to be visible that PCs. www.statista.com/statistics/303973/police-officer-figures-england-and-wales/Well whatever they are doing is not working, and you can pull all the statistics up you want to try and dismiss that. The police forcing in this country are weak, and controlled by a lack of power from our Government to do their jobs.Some are scared to do their job as if they put a foot wrong then you have an incident like in Manchester last week. All I want is the police to control our streets and police them. Bring in the army if need be. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 30, 2024 14:38:08 GMT
Last Police statistic i heard was 1 in 5 are seriously considering leaving the job. After what we witnessed at Manchester Airport and the reaction to it from 'woke Britain ',who can blame them. What does 'woke' mean, Bas? What's the definition? |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 30, 2024 14:39:12 GMT
Maybe the answer is to allow Europeans easier access and reduce dependency on others.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 30, 2024 15:52:35 GMT
Locals gave Starmer some stick when he turned up at Southport.
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Post by aghast on Jul 30, 2024 17:07:23 GMT
Indeed. This kind of thing can get dangerous when rumours of illegal asylum seekers being responsible for this tragic event spread across the internet. But to balance things out, what happens if it was done by a person with a migrant,or Islamic background even if he was born here? Will that be swept under the carpet and dismissed as normal? Just want balance. You've moved the debate on slightly there by changing it from Muslims to the children of immigrants as well. If he is the son of immigrant parents, which children of immigrants are you taking about? French? Polish? Indian? An African nation? And if he is a child of Rwandan parents, what are you proposing? We send second generation Rwandans "home"? Lock them up just in case? Stop them living near 'us'? I'd be interested to hear what you think the solution to things like this might be. I would treat it as a crime committed by a British citizen and impose the appropriate punishment for that crime. You seem to be implying that something more needs to be done in certain cases, and not just for Muslims. I might have misunderstood you of course. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 17:25:56 GMT
Last Police statistic i heard was 1 in 5 are seriously considering leaving the job. After what we witnessed at Manchester Airport and the reaction to it from 'woke Britain ',who can blame them. What does 'woke' mean, Bas? What's the definition? Bit of a silly question. Define 'plonker'. Define 'twat' for example. We all know what those words or expressions mean but it is a bit pedantic to say 'define them'. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 30, 2024 17:31:03 GMT
What does 'woke' mean, Bas? What's the definition? Bit of a silly question. Define 'plonker'. Define 'twat' for example. We all know what those words or expressions mean but it is a bit pedantic to say 'define them'. Thanks for confirming you don't know. 😉 |
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 30, 2024 17:51:03 GMT
Well....I woke up this morning....so does that mean ' rising from one's sleep' ?
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 30, 2024 19:05:39 GMT
Hundreds attend vigil in Southport after three girls killed in stabbing named by police..by Aoife Walsh. ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/ba35/live/19755df0-4e7f-11ef-aebc-6de4d31bf5cd.jpgHundreds gathered for a vigil in Southport, where three girls were killed in the mass stabbing on Monday Bebe King, 6, and Elsie Dot Stancombe, 7, died on Monday; Alice Dasilva Aguiar, 9, died in the early hours of Tuesday, police say Five children and two adults remain in a critical condition after the attack at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class The class was organised by Leanne Lucas - people have paid tribute to her bravery but her condition is not known - while a local man has been called a "hero" for intervening in the attack Swift herself has reacted, saying "the horror of yesterday's attack in Southport is washing over me continuously" A 17-year-old male, arrested on suspicion of murder, remains in custody He was born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents and moved to Southport in 2013 - in Cardiff, ex-neighbours remember a "normal family" with "normal kids" ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/7/30/5c18b8e2-c0d6-4c30-ab4b-ec2921082496.jpgAs we've reported this afternoon, the three girls killed in yesterday's attack have been named as Bebe King, Elsie Dot Stancombe, and Alice Dasilva Aguiar. ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/7/30/3a4f9022-509b-4e8d-8900-e4897443c612.jpg
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Post by Icegas on Jul 30, 2024 19:21:33 GMT
But to balance things out, what happens if it was done by a person with a migrant,or Islamic background even if he was born here? Will that be swept under the carpet and dismissed as normal? Just want balance. You've moved the debate on slightly there by changing it from Muslims to the children of immigrants as well. If he is the son of immigrant parents, which children of immigrants are you taking about? French? Polish? Indian? An African nation? And if he is a child of Rwandan parents, what are you proposing? We send second generation Rwandans "home"? Lock them up just in case? Stop them living near 'us'? I'd be interested to hear what you think the solution to things like this might be. I would treat it as a crime committed by a British citizen and impose the appropriate punishment for that crime. You seem to be implying that something more needs to be done in certain cases, and not just for Muslims. I might have misunderstood you of course. I think you have. Whoever did this act should be punished in the same way whether they were born as white British, Black British, Muslim, a Christian.. whatever.All are they same in the court of law. I would lock him up for life and throw away the key regardless of where he is from, or his religious beliefs. Where did I say anything about sending 2nd generation immigrations home? As that is fascist and illogical. The indigenous population of this country are fed up of this s**t continuing to happen, and the rubbish that we have fed to us by the authorities that any terrorist attack is just the act of lone wolf madam with mental health issues.We all know that this is a fabrication of the truth and 99% has some Radical Islamic conditioning behind these attacks. It may not be the case here tho. |
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Post by Icegas on Jul 30, 2024 19:27:57 GMT
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Post by baldrick on Jul 30, 2024 19:36:02 GMT
"A number of police officers have suffered what appeared to be minor injuries in chaotic scenes outside the mosque in Southport. Stones, bottles and bricks have been thrown, and police riot vans have been attacked. Firecrackers could be heard going off, along with multiple police sirens sounding. A crowd of men, many wearing masks and hoodies, were in a running battle with officers outside the mosque as more police arrived. Riot police deployed as large crowds throw bricks outside mosque A large crowd has gathered outside a mosque in Southport as tensions run high in the town following the knife attack. Police riot vans and officers are standing guard outside the building. People can be heard shouting: "No surrender" and "English till I die". Our team has seen bricks being thrown and a group of people attempting to tip a riot van. Hundreds of youths and men and a large police presence remain on the streets surrounding Hart Street, where the attack took place. For context: In the aftermath of the attack, several false accusations have been spread online, with incorrect names of the 17-year-old boy that has been arrested shared on social media. The unnamed suspect is from Wales, Merseyside Police has said, but false claims that he was an asylum seeker who had arrived in the UK by boat have spread online. Earlier today, Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said social media companies "need to take some responsibility" for speculation. Ms Cooper's intervention came after Downing Street urged the public to avoid "unhelpful" speculation about the attack, amid concerns that misreporting online could inflame community tensions." news.sky.com/story/southport-stabbing-latest-number-of-casualties-after-reports-of-stabbing-13186819?postid=8048012#liveblog-body |
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Post by Icegas on Jul 30, 2024 19:37:52 GMT
"Riot police deployed as large crowds throw bricks outside mosque A large crowd has gathered outside a mosque in Southport as tensions run high in the town following the knife attack. Police riot vans and officers are standing guard outside the building. People can be heard shouting: "No surrender" and "English till I die". Our team has seen bricks being thrown and a group of people attempting to tip a riot van. Hundreds of youths and men and a large police presence remain on the streets surrounding Hart Street, where the attack took place. For context: In the aftermath of the attack, several false accusations have been spread online, with incorrect names of the 17-year-old boy that has been arrested shared on social media. The unnamed suspect is from Wales, Merseyside Police has said, but false claims that he was an asylum seeker who had arrived in the UK by boat have spread online. Earlier today, Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said social media companies "need to take some responsibility" for speculation. Ms Cooper's intervention came after Downing Street urged the public to avoid "unhelpful" speculation about the attack, amid concerns that misreporting online could inflame community tensions." news.sky.com/story/southport-stabbing-latest-number-of-casualties-after-reports-of-stabbing-13186819?postid=8048012#liveblog-bodyVideo ... I hate to say this but this is going to become a civil war if we are not careful.. x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1818367834830868971?t=3I0CJqCTT1NU7S7AICHhFQ&s=19 |
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Post by Icegas on Jul 30, 2024 19:40:01 GMT
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