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Post by baselswh on Aug 21, 2024 14:12:53 GMT
A hell of a lot of the people who are coming are from countries that we once dominated and painted the red of Empire! India, Pakistan, Afghanistan [we tried], Nigeria, etc And the Caribbean nations who fought so ably for us in the last war along side the above. Can you give us any numbers of people from the Caribbean who served in the British armed forces in WW2 and 'fought so ably' ? The reason that I ask is that i have only ever seen reference to a few thousand from the west Indies who came to the UK and the vast majority worked in factories or on the land, a very few went into the RAF,none that I am aware of served in the Royal navy and I dont know how many went into the army, not wishing to denigrate those who did serve but unless you know different I doubt there were very many in fighting roles. People may (or probably on here may not) be interested to read about the Indian legion who were formed in WW2,their exploits are well documented,after the war the British govt forbid the BBC to mention them.... Some of the Indian legion manned searchlights (in Netherlands) to illuminate RAF bombers for the flak guns,interesting to speculate that some of the bombers shot down might have had West Indians in the crew,certainly some had Australians,New Zealanders,Cnadians etc etc. I've read 16,000 Caribeans volunteered for the RAF during WWII Trymer. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 21, 2024 14:15:23 GMT
You are just making it up Why do you bother if you don't actually know? You appear to be struggling. Having difficulty holding a conversation. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 21, 2024 14:16:52 GMT
Windrush.... "The 'welcome' recorded by the Pathé footage does not tell the full story either. Just two days after the Windrush docked, a group of 11 Labour MPs wrote to Prime Minister Clement Attlee calling for a halt to the "influx of coloured people". Attlee's reply, available to view in the National Archives, said that "it would be a great mistake to take the emigration of this Jamaican party to the United Kingdom too seriously"." politicians were lying about immigration even back then! History of the Windrush |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 21, 2024 14:16:53 GMT
You appear to be struggling. Having difficulty holding a conversation. 😂😂😂 Still struggling. 😉 |
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 21, 2024 14:17:03 GMT
From the article:Avon and Somerset Police were called by a member of the public at 3.45am. Police say the victim, a man in his late 30s, was able to get into a car and drive a short distance to Oakley Road before needing to stop. A person he was with then called for an ambulance. Emergency services arrived on the scene and the injured man was taken to Southmead Hospital. He was pronounced dead a short while later. Three people were arrested on suspicion of murder at around 4.20am, Avon and Somerset Police said. Filton Avenue and Oakley Road remain closed while investigations are undertaken. He could of known and named them maybe, the police were able to catch the 3 people within the hour, a long time inside beckons...
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Post by trymer on Aug 21, 2024 14:17:10 GMT
Glad you recognise the "good bits". Are you genuinely upset about how William the Conqueror went about things,1066! Over a thousand years ago! Would that justify millions of English legally and illegally moving to/invading France?(I see the relationship between France and Islam is all going swimmingly .) It was still centuries before the Manchester Guardian began to teach us better,backed by slave trade cash.My point being it was a long time a go and things were clearly done differently then. There is absolutely no justification for mass uncontrolled immigration,none. It's ridiculous to claim we owe them, so they are entitled to invade England and bring their anti free,anti British dangerous religion with them. The attempted destruction of peoples identity,their shared past and nation is disgusting.Globalism.All for what?Immigrant anti British resentment, along with middle class, virtue signalling weird guilt ,demanding we all feel it.Feel what?Our white guilt!Our shame of a history that when given a balanced view,is fascinating and fantastic. We are who we are because of our past. Those quite likely being placed behind terrorists in the housing queue have every right to feel exasperated.They no doubt have family that fought and possibly died for GB. 20 odd years of voting for bulls**tting Governments,that have repeatedly told them yes,we hear your concerns on immigration and we'll sort it it.Then nothing.It gets worse. Where's their voice? Stolen and used by sussessive Conservative and Labour Government liars. And what did we do to the cultures of lands we invaded? The church tried to convert them all, tried to wipe away their traditions, made them dress correctly, we imposed our laws, mined their lands, found a few jewels here and there, stuck them in concentration camps in South Africa including women and children, do you want me to go on. Like Icegas, you want to be blind to the past and what we did. Oh and have a word with the Brits abroad who are immigrants but like to be called expats as it doesn't sound so bad. Have a word about how they demand fish and chips, 'English' breakfast, pubs, and getting pi$$ed up on a Saturday night. What about the locals culture and language that Brits abroad ignore? Like Icegas you want to be blind to the past. As for current immigration, don't blame those who come, blame the government and business people who want them, and also blame the large percentage of white Brits who don't want to work nor do the jobs that are beneath them. If it hadn't been for the Windrush generation and others this country would have struggled to recover after the last war. The point you missed about WTC was that many who own vast swathes of the UK now had families who were part of the conquest and are only rich because of that not because of their own labours. That vast inequality and the power they retain keeps the likes of the poor Brits in their place, not Johnny Forriner! As we are looking back into history to justify the wave of illegal migrants coming here does it work both ways ? could we sue Italy for reparations after the Roman invasion ? Scandinavia for the Viking raids ? would those of us with Anglo Saxon heritage be able to return to our traditional 'homelands' in Germany ? I think that the Windrush migrants did quite well out of coming to Britain,there wernt good prospects for employment or a good future in the West indies at that time,better to come here earn some money,some went on to learn a trade,i remember being an apprentice and a carpenter who had come over never complained or moaned about being here. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 21, 2024 14:18:11 GMT
Can you give us any numbers of people from the Caribbean who served in the British armed forces in WW2 and 'fought so ably' ? The reason that I ask is that i have only ever seen reference to a few thousand from the west Indies who came to the UK and the vast majority worked in factories or on the land, a very few went into the RAF,none that I am aware of served in the Royal navy and I dont know how many went into the army, not wishing to denigrate those who did serve but unless you know different I doubt there were very many in fighting roles. People may (or probably on here may not) be interested to read about the Indian legion who were formed in WW2,their exploits are well documented,after the war the British govt forbid the BBC to mention them.... Some of the Indian legion manned searchlights (in Netherlands) to illuminate RAF bombers for the flak guns,interesting to speculate that some of the bombers shot down might have had West Indians in the crew,certainly some had Australians,New Zealanders,Cnadians etc etc. I've read 16,000 Caribeans volunteered for the RAF during WWII Trymer. Wrong "Around 6,000 West Indians served with the Royal Air Force and the Royal Canadian Air Force, in roles from fighter pilots to bomb aimers, air gunners to ground staff and administration. Thousands of West Indian seamen made their contributions in one of the Second World War�s most dangerous services, the Merchant Navy - one-third of all merchant seamen were to die during the war. One thousand volunteers for army service were formed into the Caribbean Regiment, which went overseas in 1944 and saw service in the Middle East and Italy. In addition, West Indians served in the Royal Engineers as highly skilled technicians. Upwards of 40,000 West Indians opted to join the various branches of the civilian war effort in the United States. 236 Caribbean volunteers were killed or reported missing during the Second World War; 265 were wounded. Caribbean air force personnel received 103 decorations. |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 21, 2024 14:18:15 GMT
Windrush.... "The 'welcome' recorded by the Pathé footage does not tell the full story either. Just two days after the Windrush docked, a group of 11 Labour MPs wrote to Prime Minister Clement Attlee calling for a halt to the "influx of coloured people". Attlee's reply, available to view in the National Archives, said that "it would be a great mistake to take the emigration of this Jamaican party to the United Kingdom too seriously"." politicians were lying about immigration even back then! History of the WindrushNice one Nobby. Careful Oldie, try to keep calm.🙂 |
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Post by trymer on Aug 21, 2024 14:18:23 GMT
Can you give us any numbers of people from the Caribbean who served in the British armed forces in WW2 and 'fought so ably' ? The reason that I ask is that i have only ever seen reference to a few thousand from the west Indies who came to the UK and the vast majority worked in factories or on the land, a very few went into the RAF,none that I am aware of served in the Royal navy and I dont know how many went into the army, not wishing to denigrate those who did serve but unless you know different I doubt there were very many in fighting roles. People may (or probably on here may not) be interested to read about the Indian legion who were formed in WW2,their exploits are well documented,after the war the British govt forbid the BBC to mention them.... Some of the Indian legion manned searchlights (in Netherlands) to illuminate RAF bombers for the flak guns,interesting to speculate that some of the bombers shot down might have had West Indians in the crew,certainly some had Australians,New Zealanders,Cnadians etc etc. He is away on holiday But the number was around 16,000 16,000 served in the armed forces in a fighting role ? |
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Post by oldie on Aug 21, 2024 14:20:14 GMT
Windrush.... "The 'welcome' recorded by the Pathé footage does not tell the full story either. Just two days after the Windrush docked, a group of 11 Labour MPs wrote to Prime Minister Clement Attlee calling for a halt to the "influx of coloured people". Attlee's reply, available to view in the National Archives, said that "it would be a great mistake to take the emigration of this Jamaican party to the United Kingdom too seriously"." politicians were lying about immigration even back then! History of the WindrushYep Racism has been endemic |
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Post by oldie on Aug 21, 2024 14:21:21 GMT
He is away on holiday But the number was around 16,000 16,000 served in the armed forces in a fighting role ? I broke the numbers down a few minutes ago |
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Post by trymer on Aug 21, 2024 14:22:15 GMT
I've read 16,000 Caribeans volunteered for the RAF during WWII Trymer. Wrong "Around 6,000 West Indians served with the Royal Air Force and the Royal Canadian Air Force, in roles from fighter pilots to bomb aimers, air gunners to ground staff and administration. Thousands of West Indian seamen made their contributions in one of the Second World War�s most dangerous services, the Merchant Navy - one-third of all merchant seamen were to die during the war. One thousand volunteers for army service were formed into the Caribbean Regiment, which went overseas in 1944 and saw service in the Middle East and Italy. In addition, West Indians served in the Royal Engineers as highly skilled technicians. Upwards of 40,000 West Indians opted to join the various branches of the civilian war effort in the United States. 236 Caribbean volunteers were killed or reported missing during the Second World War; 265 were wounded. Caribbean air force personnel received 103 decorations. I just Googled Caribbeans in the RAF and got 5500 mostly in ground crew roles, 400 aircrew. I just want the number of men who served in a fighting role. |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 21, 2024 14:22:42 GMT
I've read 16,000 Caribeans volunteered for the RAF during WWII Trymer. Wrong "Around 6,000 West Indians served with the Royal Air Force and the Royal Canadian Air Force, in roles from fighter pilots to bomb aimers, air gunners to ground staff and administration. Thousands of West Indian seamen made their contributions in one of the Second World War�s most dangerous services, the Merchant Navy - one-third of all merchant seamen were to die during the war. One thousand volunteers for army service were formed into the Caribbean Regiment, which went overseas in 1944 and saw service in the Middle East and Italy. In addition, West Indians served in the Royal Engineers as highly skilled technicians. Upwards of 40,000 West Indians opted to join the various branches of the civilian war effort in the United States. 236 Caribbean volunteers were killed or reported missing during the Second World War; 265 were wounded. Caribbean air force personnel received 103 decorations. Fair enough,if that's fact it's fact.Thank you. |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 21, 2024 14:31:02 GMT
At least we can all agree the Rastafarian Squadron won the Battle of Britain for us.
Phew!
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Post by oldie on Aug 21, 2024 14:37:58 GMT
At least we can all agree the Rastafarian Squadron won the Battle of Britain for us. Phew! You cannot help yourself can you |
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Post by oldie on Aug 21, 2024 14:39:17 GMT
Wrong "Around 6,000 West Indians served with the Royal Air Force and the Royal Canadian Air Force, in roles from fighter pilots to bomb aimers, air gunners to ground staff and administration. Thousands of West Indian seamen made their contributions in one of the Second World War�s most dangerous services, the Merchant Navy - one-third of all merchant seamen were to die during the war. One thousand volunteers for army service were formed into the Caribbean Regiment, which went overseas in 1944 and saw service in the Middle East and Italy. In addition, West Indians served in the Royal Engineers as highly skilled technicians. Upwards of 40,000 West Indians opted to join the various branches of the civilian war effort in the United States. 236 Caribbean volunteers were killed or reported missing during the Second World War; 265 were wounded. Caribbean air force personnel received 103 decorations. I just Googled Caribbeans in the RAF and got 5500 mostly in ground crew roles, 400 aircrew. I just want the number of men who served in a fighting role. Merchant Seaman not brave enough? |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 21, 2024 14:44:13 GMT
The British Empire and Dominions raised a total of 8,586,000 men for military service More than 5,000,000 came from the British Isles 1,440,500 hailed from India, while 136,000 came from South Africa Of those who fought 629,000 were Canadians 413,000 came from Australia and 128,500 from New Zealand More than 134,000 travelled from other colonies, including some 10,000 from the Caribbean www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32703753.amp |
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Post by trymer on Aug 21, 2024 14:46:21 GMT
I just Googled Caribbeans in the RAF and got 5500 mostly in ground crew roles, 400 aircrew. I just want the number of men who served in a fighting role. Merchant Seaman not brave enough? You are twisting everything as usual....I asked for the number of men in fighting role (for the third time !) you just put up random figures,40,000 went to the USA on war work,so what ? where did the 16,000 figure that you mentioned come from ? |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 21, 2024 14:46:47 GMT
I just Googled Caribbeans in the RAF and got 5500 mostly in ground crew roles, 400 aircrew. I just want the number of men who served in a fighting role. Merchant Seaman not brave enough? It was Total War', no need denigrate their memory by trying to differentiate between roles. |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 21, 2024 14:48:09 GMT
At least we can all agree the Rastafarian Squadron won the Battle of Britain for us. Phew! No need for that. |
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