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Post by Icegas on Aug 21, 2024 11:09:14 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Aug 21, 2024 11:28:48 GMT
Glad you recognise the "good bits". Are you genuinely upset about how William the Conqueror went about things,1066! Over a thousand years ago! Would that justify millions of English legally and illegally moving to/invading France?(I see the relationship between France and Islam is all going swimmingly .) It was still centuries before the Manchester Guardian began to teach us better,backed by slave trade cash.My point being it was a long time a go and things were clearly done differently then. There is absolutely no justification for mass uncontrolled immigration,none. It's ridiculous to claim we owe them, so they are entitled to invade England and bring their anti free,anti British dangerous religion with them. The attempted destruction of peoples identity,their shared past and nation is disgusting.Globalism.All for what?Immigrant anti British resentment, along with middle class, virtue signalling weird guilt ,demanding we all feel it.Feel what?Our white guilt!Our shame of a history that when given a balanced view,is fascinating and fantastic. We are who we are because of our past. Those quite likely being placed behind terrorists in the housing queue have every right to feel exasperated.They no doubt have family that fought and possibly died for GB. 20 odd years of voting for bulls**tting Governments,that have repeatedly told them yes,we hear your concerns on immigration and we'll sort it it.Then nothing.It gets worse. Where's their voice? Stolen and used by sussessive Conservative and Labour Government liars. And what did we do to the cultures of lands we invaded? The church tried to convert them all, tried to wipe away their traditions, made them dress correctly, we imposed our laws, mined their lands, found a few jewels here and there, stuck them in concentration camps in South Africa including women and children, do you want me to go on. Like Icegas, you want to be blind to the past and what we did. Oh and have a word with the Brits abroad who are immigrants but like to be called expats as it doesn't sound so bad. Have a word about how they demand fish and chips, 'English' breakfast, pubs, and getting pi$$ed up on a Saturday night. What about the locals culture and language that Brits abroad ignore? Like Icegas you want to be blind to the past. As for current immigration, don't blame those who come, blame the government and business people who want them, and also blame the large percentage of white Brits who don't want to work nor do the jobs that are beneath them. If it hadn't been for the Windrush generation and others this country would have struggled to recover after the last war. The point you missed about WTC was that many who own vast swathes of the UK now had families who were part of the conquest and are only rich because of that not because of their own labours. That vast inequality and the power they retain keeps the likes of the poor Brits in their place, not Johnny Forriner! Yeo,British arrogance was breathtaking,but is it not the case most former British colonies are better off than eg former French or God forbid Belgium? Brits abroad.Yep,the creation of Little Britains in eg Spain are not exactly doing the "when in Rome".It's like we moved Butlins,Pontins and Maplins (hi dee hi ) abroad.Perhaps a natural progression for some of our working class.Awfully embarrassing for our Dordoign and Tuscanny crowds. That scum representing us!Good for channon fodder at times of war,but hardly ambassadorial quality. We were taught "when in Rome".A good rule,decent and respectful. Britons must behave abroad,"when in Rome".Etc Funny how those that were loudest about the "when in Rome" rule don't want it applied to immigrants in our UK.For them it's a case of when in Rome do as Muhammad taught and f**k the Romans. Then our Dordoign and Tuscanny mobs back them up! I blame Tory and Labour Governments for mass immigration. As for Britons not doing jobs they might feel beneath them,I would say increase wages.Oh and plenty of immigrants don't work or contribute.They are not all doctors etc. The Windrush generation.I've nothing against them and I believe at times for plenty of them things were tough. What I doubt is GB pleaded with them to come and save us.I don't believe that happened.They came because they fancied a new life and not to save Great Britain. WTC did his thing and he was'nt a Marxist.That's life.That's history . Someone had to run the show,he had his turn. |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 21, 2024 11:30:39 GMT
"The Windrush generation.I've nothing against them and I believe at times for plenty of them things were tough.
What I doubt is GB pleaded with them to come and save us.I don't believe that happened.They came because they fancied a new life and not to save Great Britain."
Sorry, that's not what happened. Cheshire is totally correct.
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oldie
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Post by oldie on Aug 21, 2024 11:52:27 GMT
We had this debate on here a couple of years ago. I was labelled a traitor, someone who hates this country, just for pointing out the facts of history. Basel even advocated burning books that held views contrary to his (blinkered) views. History is a matter of record, however how it has been taught leaves a lot to be desired. For some I can only conclude it has not been taught at all. As for cause and effect, well you could throw a bucket of water over some and they would still not be able too identify why they are wet. Oh yeh,whatshisname,first class cricketer, bloody awful historian.Yep,rubbish he wrote should be taken off the shelves.Absolute drivel.He jumped on the BLM bandwagon. Fortunately for society people like you cannot determine what we read or don't read. Long may that remain. |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 21, 2024 11:54:10 GMT
Glad you recognise the "good bits". Are you genuinely upset about how William the Conqueror went about things,1066! Over a thousand years ago! Would that justify millions of English legally and illegally moving to/invading France?(I see the relationship between France and Islam is all going swimmingly .) It was still centuries before the Manchester Guardian began to teach us better,backed by slave trade cash.My point being it was a long time a go and things were clearly done differently then. There is absolutely no justification for mass uncontrolled immigration,none. It's ridiculous to claim we owe them, so they are entitled to invade England and bring their anti free,anti British dangerous religion with them. The attempted destruction of peoples identity,their shared past and nation is disgusting.Globalism.All for what?Immigrant anti British resentment, along with middle class, virtue signalling weird guilt ,demanding we all feel it.Feel what?Our white guilt!Our shame of a history that when given a balanced view,is fascinating and fantastic. We are who we are because of our past. Those quite likely being placed behind terrorists in the housing queue have every right to feel exasperated.They no doubt have family that fought and possibly died for GB. 20 odd years of voting for bulls**tting Governments,that have repeatedly told them yes,we hear your concerns on immigration and we'll sort it it.Then nothing.It gets worse. Where's their voice? Stolen and used by sussessive Conservative and Labour Government liars. And what did we do to the cultures of lands we invaded? The church tried to convert them all, tried to wipe away their traditions, made them dress correctly, we imposed our laws, mined their lands, found a few jewels here and there, stuck them in concentration camps in South Africa including women and children, do you want me to go on. Like Icegas, you want to be blind to the past and what we did. Oh and have a word with the Brits abroad who are immigrants but like to be called expats as it doesn't sound so bad. Have a word about how they demand fish and chips, 'English' breakfast, pubs, and getting pi$$ed up on a Saturday night. What about the locals culture and language that Brits abroad ignore? Like Icegas you want to be blind to the past. As for current immigration, don't blame those who come, blame the government and business people who want them, and also blame the large percentage of white Brits who don't want to work nor do the jobs that are beneath them. If it hadn't been for the Windrush generation and others this country would have struggled to recover after the last war. The point you missed about WTC was that many who own vast swathes of the UK now had families who were part of the conquest and are only rich because of that not because of their own labours. That vast inequality and the power they retain keeps the likes of the poor Brits in their place, not Johnny Forriner! I know you said that are you now on holiday, but what rubbish this is. I do not want to ignore our past, nor am I blind to it. I've stated on here before that we have done some amazing things in our history,as well as some terrible things to get where we are. The same goes with a lot of countries. I just dont believe the issue of mass immigration today is happening because of our past.It's political policies from over the past 20 years that have brought us here today, not what we did in our history 200 years ago. Question, why wasn't mass immigration a problem 20 years ago, but it is now? |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 21, 2024 11:54:13 GMT
We had this debate on here a couple of years ago. I was labelled a traitor, someone who hates this country, just for pointing out the facts of history. Basel even advocated burning books that held views contrary to his (blinkered) views. History is a matter of record, however how it has been taught leaves a lot to be desired. For some I can only conclude it has not been taught at all. As for cause and effect, well you could throw a bucket of water over some and they would still not be able too identify why they are wet. Oh yeh,whatshisname,first class cricketer, bloody awful historian.Yep,rubbish he wrote should be taken off the shelves.Absolute drivel.He jumped on the BLM bandwagon. Did you read the book? |
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Post by oldie on Aug 21, 2024 11:54:33 GMT
"The Windrush generation.I've nothing against them and I believe at times for plenty of them things were tough. What I doubt is GB pleaded with them to come and save us.I don't believe that happened.They came because they fancied a new life and not to save Great Britain." Sorry, that's not what happened. Cheshire is totally correct. . Goodness me, this denial of history beggars belief |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 21, 2024 11:57:10 GMT
"The Windrush generation.I've nothing against them and I believe at times for plenty of them things were tough. What I doubt is GB pleaded with them to come and save us.I don't believe that happened.They came because they fancied a new life and not to save Great Britain." Sorry, that's not what happened. Cheshire is totally correct. . Goodness me, this denial of history beggars belief It's a conversation stopper, that's for sure. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 21, 2024 12:00:09 GMT
The attempted destruction of peoples identity, their shared past and nation is disgusting. And what did we do to the cultures of lands we invaded? The church tried to convert them all, tried to wipe away their traditions, made them dress correctly, we imposed our laws, mined their lands, found a few jewels here and there, stuck them in concentration camps in South Africa including women and children, do you want me to go on. Like Icegas, you want to be blind to the past and what we did. Oh and have a word with the Brits abroad who are immigrants but like to be called expats as it doesn't sound so bad. Have a word about how they demand fish and chips, 'English' breakfast, pubs, and getting pi$$ed up on a Saturday night. What about the locals culture and language that Brits abroad ignore? Like Icegas you want to be blind to the past. As for current immigration, don't blame those who come, blame the government and business people who want them, and also blame the large percentage of white Brits who don't want to work nor do the jobs that are beneath them. If it hadn't been for the Windrush generation and others this country would have struggled to recover after the last war. The point you missed about WTC was that many who own vast swathes of the UK now had families who were part of the conquest and are only rich because of that not because of their own labours. That vast inequality and the power they retain keeps the likes of the poor Brits in their place, not Johnny Forriner! I know you said that are you now on holiday, but what rubbish this is. I do not want to ignore our past, nor am I blind to it. I've stated on here before that we have done some amazing things in our history,as well as some terrible things to get where we are. The same goes with a lot of countries. I just dont believe the issue of mass immigration today is happening because of our past.It's political policies from over the past 20 years that have brought us here today, not what we did in our history 200 years ago. Question, why wasn't mass immigration a problem 20 years ago, but it is now? I was listening to R4 this morning when repatriation of people who come here was discussed. It was pointed that we cannot safely repatriate people to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Kurdistan, etc. Now overlay the map of those countries after the fall of the Ottoman empire after WW1 and how we, the UK, carved up those territories along with the French for economic gain. And what happened thereafter. We have blood on our hands, for money (nee oil) |
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Post by oldie on Aug 21, 2024 12:00:31 GMT
. Goodness me, this denial of history beggars belief It's a conversation stopper, that's for sure. He cannot hold a conversation |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 21, 2024 12:34:13 GMT
"The Windrush generation.I've nothing against them and I believe at times for plenty of them things were tough. What I doubt is GB pleaded with them to come and save us.I don't believe that happened.They came because they fancied a new life and not to save Great Britain." Sorry, that's not what happened. Cheshire is totally correct. . Goodness me, this denial of history beggars belief Go on then Oldie what's your version of events? |
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Post by oldie on Aug 21, 2024 12:38:01 GMT
. Goodness me, this denial of history beggars belief Go on then Oldie what's your version of events? It's not my version, it is what is a matter of historical record |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 21, 2024 12:47:29 GMT
. Goodness me, this denial of history beggars belief It's a conversation stopper, that's for sure. Well it has'nt stopped me Baldrick. I believe the following version... Over the years,the myths about the Windrush generation grew.Not so difficult to believe on checking some of Black History Month stories In the late 40s the good ship Windrush was picking up passengers as she sailed.Eg some Polish in Mexico apparently.The ship still had plenty of room for more passengers,a full ship of course equals more money So the shipping agency put an add up in a Caribbean paper.Ship going to GB,jobs waiting. The unemployment rate was pretty high in the Caribbean.So GB would of looked an attractive opportunity. As I said,the advert was placed by the shipping agency.They did not represent our Government. On arrival at Tilbury docks the uninvited just got off and that was that. Where's the evidence GB asked them to come? 1956 I think saw the first official adverts for Caribbean people to come and live in the UK.Our post WWII rebuilding was just about done by 56,was'nt it? So,not as legendary perhaps, but the people had spirit and no doubt met many difficulties. I don't think it takes so much away from their history. That's how I remember the version I believe. I think copies of the shipping agency advert exist. |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 21, 2024 13:07:01 GMT
Go on then Oldie what's your version of events? It's not my version, it is what is a matter of historical record [br 😄 |
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Post by oldie on Aug 21, 2024 13:07:23 GMT
"In 1948, the British Nationality Act gave people from colonies the right to live and work in Britain.
The government needed workers to help fill post-war labour shortages and rebuild the economy.
Caribbean countries were also struggling economically, and job vacancies in the UK offered an opportunity.
Many of those who came became manual workers, drivers, cleaners, and nurses in the newly established NHS."
This nonsense is beyond laughable
".Our post WWII rebuilding was just about done by 56,was'nt it?"
Especially from a Bristolian.
My god
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Post by baselswh on Aug 21, 2024 13:12:39 GMT
"In 1948, the British Nationality Act gave people from colonies the right to live and work in Britain. The government needed workers to help fill post-war labour shortages and rebuild the economy. Caribbean countries were also struggling economically, and job vacancies in the UK offered an opportunity. Many of those who came became manual workers, drivers, cleaners, and nurses in the newly established NHS." This nonsense is beyond laughable ".Our post WWII rebuilding was just about done by 56,was'nt it?" Especially from a Bristolian. My god Windrush arrived in the Summer ( was it June or July? ),the Nationality Act actually came into being 1st January 1949. By 56 a fair amount ( obviously not all ) of rebuilding had been achieved,had'nt it? |
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Post by trymer on Aug 21, 2024 14:07:38 GMT
"People can complain all they like about immigrants coming here but many come from countries we have either colonised, fought with or over, and still sit around in not even bothering to learn the language. What is happening now has a legacy in the past. So when people go on about 'our' borders and country, they should perhaps take a step back and have a damn good look at history." ..... I'm sorry this bit has nothing to do with today. We are overwhelmed in almost every section of our society,and it's naive to justify what's happening today in regards to uncontrolled mass immigration to our country on that you said above. There is no connection. So let's have a serious discussion on immigration if we may.A hell of a lot of the people who are coming are from countries that we once dominated and painted the red of Empire! India, Pakistan, Afghanistan [we tried], Nigeria, etc And the Caribbean nations who fought so ably for us in the last war along side the above. Can you give us any numbers of people from the Caribbean who served in the British armed forces in WW2 and 'fought so ably' ? The reason that I ask is that i have only ever seen reference to a few thousand from the west Indies who came to the UK and the vast majority worked in factories or on the land, a very few went into the RAF,none that I am aware of served in the Royal navy and I dont know how many went into the army, not wishing to denigrate those who did serve but unless you know different I doubt there were very many in fighting roles. People may (or probably on here may not) be interested to read about the Indian legion who were formed in WW2,their exploits are well documented,after the war the British govt forbid the BBC to mention them.... Some of the Indian legion manned searchlights (in Netherlands) to illuminate RAF bombers for the flak guns,interesting to speculate that some of the bombers shot down might have had West Indians in the crew,certainly some had Australians,New Zealanders,Cnadians etc etc. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 21, 2024 14:09:11 GMT
"In 1948, the British Nationality Act gave people from colonies the right to live and work in Britain. The government needed workers to help fill post-war labour shortages and rebuild the economy. Caribbean countries were also struggling economically, and job vacancies in the UK offered an opportunity. Many of those who came became manual workers, drivers, cleaners, and nurses in the newly established NHS." This nonsense is beyond laughable ".Our post WWII rebuilding was just about done by 56,was'nt it?" Especially from a Bristolian. My god Windrush arrived in the Summer ( was it June or July? ),the Nationality Act actually came into being 1st January 1949. By 56 a fair amount ( obviously not all ) of rebuilding had been achieved,had'nt it? You are just making it up Why do you bother if you don't actually know? |
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Post by oldie on Aug 21, 2024 14:10:08 GMT
A hell of a lot of the people who are coming are from countries that we once dominated and painted the red of Empire! India, Pakistan, Afghanistan [we tried], Nigeria, etc And the Caribbean nations who fought so ably for us in the last war along side the above. Can you give us any numbers of people from the Caribbean who served in the British armed forces in WW2 and 'fought so ably' ? The reason that I ask is that i have only ever seen reference to a few thousand from the west Indies who came to the UK and the vast majority worked in factories or on the land, a very few went into the RAF,none that I am aware of served in the Royal navy and I dont know how many went into the army, not wishing to denigrate those who did serve but unless you know different I doubt there were very many in fighting roles. People may (or probably on here may not) be interested to read about the Indian legion who were formed in WW2,their exploits are well documented,after the war the British govt forbid the BBC to mention them.... Some of the Indian legion manned searchlights (in Netherlands) to illuminate RAF bombers for the flak guns,interesting to speculate that some of the bombers shot down might have had West Indians in the crew,certainly some had Australians,New Zealanders,Cnadians etc etc. He is away on holiday But the number was around 16,000 |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 21, 2024 14:11:47 GMT
Windrush arrived in the Summer ( was it June or July? ),the Nationality Act actually came into being 1st January 1949. By 56 a fair amount ( obviously not all ) of rebuilding had been achieved,had'nt it? You are just making it up Why do you bother if you don't actually know? You appear to be struggling. Having difficulty holding a conversation. |
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