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Post by texasgas on Jan 28, 2024 11:22:39 GMT
One thing not quite right in this Tweet is that AC asked not to be considered for the game, rather than the wording here that he had be left out of the squad. Ultimately it’s the managers decision whether to include or leave out a fully fit player from the squad. Collins asked to not be considered and MT obliged, he didn’t have to. If you watch the post match interview from MT (excellent as always) the reporter asks him if the Collins transfer is “in the players hands?” Which MT replies to with “no, it’s in the clubs hands” |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 28, 2024 11:46:16 GMT
I grow more impressed by MT by the day. Not only is response fair and measured it does not hang AC to dry and leaves him the possibility of changing his mind, working harder and making himself one of the first names on the teamsheet. Personally I do think he will go and this might be in all our best interests but would depend on the deal. Straight swap for Mullin?
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Post by lostinspace on Jan 28, 2024 12:36:08 GMT
I grow more impressed by MT by the day. Not only is response fair and measured it does not hang AC to dry and leaves him the possibility of changing his mind, working harder and making himself one of the first names on the teamsheet. Personally I do think he will go and this might be in all our best interests but would depend on the deal. Straight swap for Mullin? I don't think that AC is not trying, just a case of (imo) the harder you try the worse it's seems to get..he just needs a goal to just bounce off his ass or left ear to " get the confidence back" , IF he goes then that may be what he needs to reinvigorate him or get him playing behind closed doors in " nothing games" against some other outfits where he won't feel the pressure and go on from there, don't think that MT would really want to lose him |
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Post by texasgas on Jan 28, 2024 13:08:27 GMT
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 28, 2024 14:03:41 GMT
I grow more impressed by MT by the day. Not only is response fair and measured it does not hang AC to dry and leaves him the possibility of changing his mind, working harder and making himself one of the first names on the teamsheet. Personally I do think he will go and this might be in all our best interests but would depend on the deal. Straight swap for Mullin? I don't think that AC is not trying, just a case of (imo) the harder you try the worse it's seems to get..he just needs a goal to just bounce off his ass or left ear to " get the confidence back" , IF he goes then that may be what he needs to reinvigorate him or get him playing behind closed doors in " nothing games" against some other outfits where he won't feel the pressure and go on from there, don't think that MT would really want to lose him Agree with all of that though think it is telling that Taylor has taken him out of the firing line because as far as I can see for whatever reason he isn’t reaching the standards we know he is capable of. No different from many forwards they thrive off confidence and yes I too think if he gets one more will follow. We also know that AC is streaky both in terms of scoring and not scoring. Wonder if not getting game time has prompted him to ask for a move, if it is just potential suitors sniffing around or if the club are looking to create some headroom for other deals? Perhaps all 3? Irrespective of this AC has and still is a good player for us and if he moves I too wish him well as long as any move is handled in the right way. Pretty certain too that if he stays MT will get him firing on all cylinders too Edit - meant to add that the most successful strikers when they hit a patch like this claim to work that bit harder, focus even more and earn their place in the team back on merit |
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Post by syg on Jan 28, 2024 15:25:53 GMT
Could end up with a player who doesn't want to play if we push to hard in the fee negotiations.
I'd take a hefty sell on fee with a lowered transfer fee.
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 29, 2024 10:04:44 GMT
I’ve got a horrible feeling we will let him go for £800,000 thinking it’s a good deal on present form , and then rue the day when we see a the player we know he could be when he plays for Bolton etc
But if he wants to go , then this day & age it’s best to let him go
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Post by nickchippgas on Jan 29, 2024 10:53:18 GMT
I’ve got a horrible feeling we will let him go for £800,000 thinking it’s a good deal on present form , and then rue the day when we see a the player we know he could be when he plays for Bolton etc But if he wants to go , then this day & age it’s best to let him go I know what you’re saying, but I think the way to look at it is What has he done for us this season? 3 in 27 and a fair few poor or fair performances too. If he goes to say Bolton for £800,000 that represents a good deal for us, if he scores a goal a game for them fair play to him, but he never did it for us and that’s all we should think about. But I’m not saying we won’t be a bit gutted if they get more out of him, bit like Coventry fans must of thought of when we signed JCH? Possibly? UTG |
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jan 29, 2024 11:14:18 GMT
Attachment DeletedRichard Walker still turns out on occasions for Beer Albion Reserves.Top bloke.
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View AttachmentRichard Walker still turns out on occasions for Beer Albion Reserves.Top bloke. Dickies Wembley Flick & Chip - Priceless. Bergkamp in disguise |
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Post by bluetornados on Jan 29, 2024 17:52:07 GMT
I’ve got a horrible feeling we will let him go for £800,000 thinking it’s a good deal on present form , and then rue the day when we see a the player we know he could be when he plays for Bolton etc But if he wants to go , then this day & age it’s best to let him go I know what you’re saying, but I think the way to look at it is What has he done for us this season? 3 in 27 and a fair few poor or fair performances too. If he goes to say Bolton for £800,000 that represents a good deal for us, if he scores a goal a game for them fair play to him, but he never did it for us and that’s all we should think about. But I’m not saying we won’t be a bit gutted if they get more out of him, bit like Coventry fans must of thought of when we signed JCH? Possibly? UTG Agree, AC Stats: Age 26, Position: Striker, Played: 315, Goals: 72 = 0.228 goal ratio. Not a prolific striker by any means IMO and if we get 800k for him then we are well and truly the winners in this deal, but will the money go on the team..? |
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Post by bluetornados on Jan 29, 2024 21:23:03 GMT
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Post by rideintothesun on Jan 30, 2024 11:04:06 GMT
Be interested to know how Bolton are in a position to pay almost a million for a player, given that they were effectively bust not that long ago. Shades of Southampton and Lambert, not that long ago.
Bury were allowed to go under, but the likes of Bolton, Southampton and Derby are effectively able to hedge on the fact that they are 'big' clubs.
When teams like Derby, Bolton, Reading and Portsmouth go 'bad', they should be relegated to the conference and forced to work within the same financial constraints as the team with the smallest budget for a period of at least five years.
Conversely, of course, the 'massive' BCFC1982 should have been wound up and not given the option of effectively blackmailing players to forgo money they were entitled to while screwing over local creditors.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2024 11:42:35 GMT
Be interested to know how Bolton are in a position to pay almost a million for a player, given that they were effectively bust not that long ago. Shades of Southampton and Lambert, not that long ago. Bury were allowed to go under, but the likes of Bolton, Southampton and Derby are effectively able to hedge on the fact that they are 'big' clubs. When teams like Derby, Bolton, Reading and Portsmouth go 'bad', they should be relegated to the conference and forced to work within the same financial constraints as the team with the smallest budget for a period of at least five years. Conversely, of course, the 'massive' BCFC1982 should have been wound up and not given the option of effectively blackmailing players to forgo money they were entitled to while screwing over local creditors. To change the rules all the EFL chairmen have to vote in favour and with the risk of relegating their own club to non league for 5 years they are never going to do that. Bury's demise came when the owner borrowed large sums of money against the stadium leaving charges in place before selling the club for £1 to a charlatan who knew nothing about football. He never even knew that Bury FC existed until he spent his quid. He passed the EFL fit and proper person test, probably because the EFL couldn't find anything negative about him. Strangely we know nothing about our new owners and the previous owner has burdened the club with charges on the stadium and training ground. I couldn't happen here though could it? |
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Post by rideintothesun on Jan 30, 2024 11:59:20 GMT
Be interested to know how Bolton are in a position to pay almost a million for a player, given that they were effectively bust not that long ago. Shades of Southampton and Lambert, not that long ago. Bury were allowed to go under, but the likes of Bolton, Southampton and Derby are effectively able to hedge on the fact that they are 'big' clubs. When teams like Derby, Bolton, Reading and Portsmouth go 'bad', they should be relegated to the conference and forced to work within the same financial constraints as the team with the smallest budget for a period of at least five years. Conversely, of course, the 'massive' BCFC1982 should have been wound up and not given the option of effectively blackmailing players to forgo money they were entitled to while screwing over local creditors. To change the rules all the EFL chairmen have to vote in favour and with the risk of relegating their own club to non league for 5 years they are never going to do that. Bury's demise came when the owner borrowed large sums of money against the stadium leaving charges in place before selling the club for £1 to a charlatan who knew nothing about football. He never even knew that Bury FC existed until he spent his quid. He passed the EFL fit and proper person test, probably because the EFL couldn't find anything negative about him. Strangely we know nothing about our new owners and the previous owner has burdened the club with charges on the stadium and training ground. I couldn't happen here though could it? Financial mismanagement is so widespread in the game that eventually some kind of amnesty on financial mismanagement is going to have to be announced. Look at the championship, where so many of the the clubs operating well beyond their means and gambling on the PL has contributed to a deterioration of the league more generally. Financial unsustainability is the main incentive for the European super league and the behind-the-scenes machinations of Barca, Juve, Man Utd, et al. These clubs are shells, running on empty. I've always said things will not change until a big club actually goes under. Be interested to know the biggest English club that has come closest. Would it be Leeds? |
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Post by alftupper on Jan 30, 2024 12:04:03 GMT
Be interested to know how Bolton are in a position to pay almost a million for a player, given that they were effectively bust not that long ago. Shades of Southampton and Lambert, not that long ago. Bury were allowed to go under, but the likes of Bolton, Southampton and Derby are effectively able to hedge on the fact that they are 'big' clubs. When teams like Derby, Bolton, Reading and Portsmouth go 'bad', they should be relegated to the conference and forced to work within the same financial constraints as the team with the smallest budget for a period of at least five years. Conversely, of course, the 'massive' BCFC1982 should have been wound up and not given the option of effectively blackmailing players to forgo money they were entitled to while screwing over local creditors. Sad but true. I guess, clubs like Bolton, Southampton and Derby, do operate with the idea that they are "big" clubs, and that no matter what happens, someone with more money than sense will be attracted to the idea of owning them. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Jan 30, 2024 12:35:49 GMT
Be interested to know how Bolton are in a position to pay almost a million for a player, given that they were effectively bust not that long ago. Shades of Southampton and Lambert, not that long ago. Bury were allowed to go under, but the likes of Bolton, Southampton and Derby are effectively able to hedge on the fact that they are 'big' clubs. When teams like Derby, Bolton, Reading and Portsmouth go 'bad', they should be relegated to the conference and forced to work within the same financial constraints as the team with the smallest budget for a period of at least five years. Conversely, of course, the 'massive' BCFC1982 should have been wound up and not given the option of effectively blackmailing players to forgo money they were entitled to while screwing over local creditors. Sad but true. I guess, clubs like Bolton, Southampton and Derby, do operate with the idea that they are "big" clubs, and that no matter what happens, someone with more money than sense will be attracted to the idea of owning them. The flip side is that the actual 'big' clubs aren't big any more and are shadows of their former selves. Clubs like Juve, Man Utd and Barca are papering over the cracks because they have lived beyond their means and there isn't anything left. The European super league is an inevitability, and when it happens, clubs like Bolton, Southampton and Derby will be left clutching their delusions of grandeur. |
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Post by knobrot on Jan 30, 2024 13:42:05 GMT
The side functioned far better on Saturday without him. He s**t his nest full for me when at the end of the Blackpool game he twice batted the ball away when the ball boy was trying to get it to him for our throw in and secondly stomped off the pitch on his own with his stupid Cheshire Cat grin while the rest of the team were on the far side of the park acknowledging the fans. He was crap when he arrived, had a decent 6 months until, from my perspective, he was rejected by Wales and seemed to take that as some sort of insult and did sod all really since. £600,000 would have been a cheek if offered at his peak but not far off from being accurate for the rubbish he’s churning out now.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 30, 2024 14:38:19 GMT
Be interested to know how Bolton are in a position to pay almost a million for a player, given that they were effectively bust not that long ago. Shades of Southampton and Lambert, not that long ago. Bury were allowed to go under, but the likes of Bolton, Southampton and Derby are effectively able to hedge on the fact that they are 'big' clubs. When teams like Derby, Bolton, Reading and Portsmouth go 'bad', they should be relegated to the conference and forced to work within the same financial constraints as the team with the smallest budget for a period of at least five years. Conversely, of course, the 'massive' BCFC1982 should have been wound up and not given the option of effectively blackmailing players to forgo money they were entitled to while screwing over local creditors. Totally agree, hard to rationalise a club paying such transfer fees when they were hundreds of millions in debt. It really should not be allowed but it’s all about the £ £ £ now. Very easy to go off of any ‘sport’ where this happens. I’d feel very uneasy if it was us doing it so I cannot condone it with any other club |
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