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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 16:35:35 GMT
Mr/Ms Contradiction, of course feelings about the person should be discussed separately from the actual statistical evidence.
That evidence shows us that with the same squad assembled by Ben Garner and Tisdale, Barton "managed" the team from an albeit perilous position of safety, to adrift at the bottom of the division.
This season, he has "managed" us to 16th in Division 4, despite promising instant promotion. Granted, that may yet come of course, but to date the statistics are damning.
Credit where it is due, there are some mighty fine players in that squad. If only Barton and his team could consistently get the best from them.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 18, 2022 17:59:36 GMT
Sorry but I don’t know how many goals we scored in the last 15 minutes of games last season or in the last 15 minutes of games this year but if we have scored more late goals this season does that make it a fact that the team is fitter ? Wouldn’t it be more likely down to the fact that last seasons team finished 5 points adrift at the bottom of the table and only scored 40 goals in total so we were hardly likely to score many in the final fifteen minutes of games ? But one fact impossible to refute is that when JB arrived we were 19th in League 1 and now we are 16th in League 2. Prior to the 2012/13 season did you think Mark McGhee was going to lead us to promotion or did you think his managerial style, his player signings and Nick Higgs’ being in awe of him were very ominous signs that things were not right at the club ? Strange logic you have. I can tell you we have scored more late goals than anyone else in the division and much of that is clearly to down to fitness and belief and an absolute refusal to give up. I also have it on good authority that all the GPS and sports science indicators show that we are considerably fitter than last season but to be honest that is in evidence from our own eyes. But never miss a chance to have a dig at the club or fans eh, even when the facts do not support your rhetoric. I don't know why there is an obsession by some of stating we are 16th in the league. We have only played 22 games and with a brand new squad and having suffered with multiple injurys. Common sense says now is not the time to judge. If that was the case Gerry would have been sacked in Jan/Feb 1987 when we were something like 18th in the table. Not sure what your point is re Mcghee. His good results you mentioned were down to Muzzy, it was clear he had no idea when Muzzy departed and he started his recruitment and got players in who couldn't run (Patterson), couldnt walk (that scottish centre half) or who just wasn't fit or interested (Clarkson) The point about McGhee is this. When we realised he was signing players who couldn't run, walk, weren't fit or were disinterested some of us had the audacity to question whether he was making the right decisions and guess what ? We were told we never missed a chance to have a dig at the club. So long as Gasheads refuse to question the decisions made at the club then Rovers will continue to fail because those making the poor decisions will be under no pressure to improve their performance.
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Post by The Concept on Apr 24, 2022 17:35:37 GMT
Special mention for LT yesterday.
Not only did he up the tempo when he came on, caused problems, and almost scored the winner, he was also very active in stopping the pitch invaders.
There may have been other players doing the same, but it was Luke who stood out as confronting people, stopping their progress and pointing them back off the pitch - well done lad.
[unfortunately, shortly afterwards, when the St. George troop entered the field, from stage left, whatever their motive was it gave the green light for others to come on from East Terrace and Thatchers Terrace].
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Apr 24, 2022 17:54:37 GMT
Post by Bath Gas on Apr 24, 2022 17:54:37 GMT
Special mention for LT yesterday. Not only did he up the tempo when he came on, caused problems, and almost scored the winner, he was also very active in stopping the pitch invaders. There may have been other players doing the same, but it was Luke who stood out as confronting people, stopping their progress and pointing them back off the pitch - well done lad. [unfortunately, shortly afterwards, when the St. George troop entered the field, from stage left, whatever their motive was it gave the green light for others to come on from East Terrace and Thatchers Terrace]. I thought he was excellent, I guess the idea of him coming on as sub is to exploit the tired legs of the opposition, although I think that he's done enough to earn a place in the starting line up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 18:27:21 GMT
Mr/Ms Contradiction, of course feelings about the person should be discussed separately from the actual statistical evidence. That evidence shows us that with the same squad assembled by Ben Garner and Tisdale, Barton "managed" the team from an albeit perilous position of safety, to adrift at the bottom of the division. This season, he has "managed" us to 16th in Division 4, despite promising instant promotion. Granted, that may yet come of course, but to date the statistics are damning. Credit where it is due, there are some mighty fine players in that squad. If only Barton and his team could consistently get the best from them. He consistently gets the best from them now. (Talking to myself)
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Apr 24, 2022 20:52:57 GMT
Post by The Concept on Apr 24, 2022 20:52:57 GMT
Special mention for LT yesterday. Not only did he up the tempo when he came on, caused problems, and almost scored the winner, he was also very active in stopping the pitch invaders. There may have been other players doing the same, but it was Luke who stood out as confronting people, stopping their progress and pointing them back off the pitch - well done lad. [unfortunately, shortly afterwards, when the St. George troop entered the field, from stage left, whatever their motive was it gave the green light for others to come on from East Terrace and Thatchers Terrace]. I thought he was excellent, I guess the idea of him coming on as sub is to exploit the tired legs of the opposition, although I think that he's done enough to earn a place in the starting line up. On yesterday's performance I'd say yes. But the problem is LT has been a bit hit or miss, when he's had opportunities since Elliot Anderson arrived. Luke had a bit of a shocker against Exeter - struggled to control the ball and gave it away too often. Then there was another home game (think it was an evening game), where he was through on goal, South Stand end, but tripped over his feet or the ball, just outside the penalty area. When EA joined I was a bit sceptical to start with, thinking why had we signed another attacking midfielder when we were stacked full of them already. Then an early home game EA didn't seem to do a lot and I was concerned that we'd unnecessarily upset the balance of the team, just at the time we were finally finding our feet, getting consistent, and putting performances together. I needn't have worried, EA has definitely helped us kick-on, and thankfully I have been proved wrong on that one!
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