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Post by syg on Nov 25, 2021 19:19:31 GMT
JB laying into him again today.
Maybe he feels he knows his mindset well enough that he considers public criticism will help the player. Maybe he's having one of his pseudo intellectual moments and thinks he's smart enough to get the best out of a player who's had mental health issues and he considers himself on par with Freud.
Im quite uncomfy with this.
Not sure how public criticism can be better than a private, battering or hug or whatever he reads as appropriate.
Not sure how Barnsley will look at it either, or any other club that we look at loaning from.
It never crossed my mind before that those prone to bouts of wanton violence would have the same issue with their mouth.
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Thomas
Nov 25, 2021 19:23:59 GMT
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Post by oldie on Nov 25, 2021 19:23:59 GMT
JB laying into him again today. Maybe he feels he knows his mindset well enough that he considers public criticism will help the player. Maybe he's having one of his pseudo intellectual moments and thinks he's smart enough to get the best out of a player who's had mental health issues and he considers himself on par with Freud. Im quite uncomfy with this. Not sure how public criticism can be better than a private, battering or hug or whatever he reads as appropriate. Not sure how Barnsley will look at it either, or any other club that we look at loaning from. It never crossed my mind before that those prone to bouts of wanton violence would have the same issue with their mouth. " It never crossed my mind before that those prone to bouts of wanton violence would have the same issue with their mouth." Comment of the week |
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Nov 25, 2021 19:24:50 GMT
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 25, 2021 19:24:50 GMT
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 25, 2021 19:31:06 GMT
I'm going to say it.
It might not sit comfortably with some of you.
Some of you may even be shocked by the very notion.
How JAB has made this public, and especially doubling down by divulging more information.....it appears to be consistent with BULLYING tactics (?)
There, it's been said.
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Nov 25, 2021 19:41:57 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Nov 25, 2021 19:41:57 GMT
Luke Thomas it seems has recieved plenty of help in his career.Maybe Joe,just saying it as it is, in his style ,will help Luke be successful at Rovers.Good luck Luke,however you are not bigger than Bristol Rovers.
Usually good managers show a personality.Clough,Shankly, Venables etc.
Joe has his style,I'm pleased to see it and think the mans determination to see Rovers reach their potential fantastic.
The fc must begin to all sing from the same page.
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Nov 25, 2021 19:54:28 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Nov 25, 2021 19:54:28 GMT
Read it. Great to see a Rovers manager doing his job.I support Joe's comments 100%. Buck up Luke and succeed! |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Nov 25, 2021 19:59:01 GMT
”I’m a man and that’s childish behaviour”
”You have to grow up at some point”
Said the ”man” facing two counts of assault.
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Post by Angas on Nov 25, 2021 19:59:23 GMT
All could have been said behind closed doors. If Joey's lost patience then all he has to do is tell Thomas he won't be selected until he gets his act together, as I'm pretty sure other managers have done in the past. But not our Joey. He has to show the world he's a tough guy.
Got to see the irony in JB telling people they only get so many chances, and it's up to them to change.
Out of interest, do we know who signed Thomas? I thought TW was out of the picture before July.
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 25, 2021 20:05:15 GMT
Not sure how Barnsley will look at it either, or any other club that we look at loaning from. It never crossed my mind before that those prone to bouts of wanton violence would have the same issue with their mouth. I think you've picked the wood from the trees there better than Joeybag could do with a year to think it through |
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 25, 2021 20:06:12 GMT
Got to see the irony in JB telling people they only get so many chances, and it's up to them to change. Joeybag seems to me to be an irony-free zone. Anyone got any examples to contradict? |
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 25, 2021 20:07:10 GMT
Joey deploying his preferred problem resolution technique - 'have a tantrum'
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 25, 2021 20:13:46 GMT
Read it. Great to see a Rovers manager doing his job.I support Joe's comments 100%. Buck up Luke and succeed! I did read it. I support the comments in private, but why double down publicly from comments last night? Sometimes it's how you do things, not what you do. That's the bullying bit for me. No problems with kick up the @rse tactics, but some things should be kept in house. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 25, 2021 20:15:43 GMT
Got to see the irony in JB telling people they only get so many chances, and it's up to them to change. Beautiful! Just, beautiful. Nice all round post. I agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 20:27:42 GMT
Yea, because it would be a disgrace to the profession, and childish to walk out of training, wouldn't it;
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Nov 25, 2021 20:38:02 GMT
It's all just therapy for him.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 25, 2021 20:40:22 GMT
Luke Thomas it seems has recieved plenty of help in his career. Maybe Joe,just saying it as it is, in his style ,will help Luke be successful at Rovers.Good luck Luke,however you are not bigger than Bristol Rovers. Usually good managers show a personality.Clough,Shankly, Venables etc. Joe has his style,I'm pleased to see it and think the mans determination to see Rovers reach their potential fantastic. The fc must begin to all sing from the same page. Come on bas, you’re better than that. You can’t make excuses for what is something that could be described as bullying. It “seems”, “maybe”, but then if you use those words it may seem it’s not like that or maybe he’s not saying it as it is. Yes, good managers do show a personality but in this example JB is not showing himself to be a good manager. Do it in private, lay into him in the dressing room but don’t do it in public. And to compare JB with those atm is laughable. Yes the club should all “sing from the same page” but not when the lyrics are completely wrong! We should never follow something which is wrong. Blimey, and he’s not even our player, he’s on loan. All of which will not endear BRFC to any potential loanees and their clubs we may later approach. This is definitely a chapter in the “What not to do as a Football Manager” textbook. UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 21:15:29 GMT
As usual, some people make this all about Barton.
Its strange, people keep saying "its always about him" then......make it all about him!
Thomas has had the arm round the shoulder treatment, he has had the 1:1s, the support, the extra time at the Quarters.
Its been kept in house.
And its not worked.
Sometimes its down to the individual for the penny to eventually drop. He was shipped out to Ipswich, loan cut short.
He is seemingly at the last chance saloon - really hope he takes it on board.
He can either sulk, or ram it down the managers throat.
What option would people prefer?
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Nov 25, 2021 21:19:14 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Nov 25, 2021 21:19:14 GMT
Luke Thomas it seems has recieved plenty of help in his career. Maybe Joe,just saying it as it is, in his style ,will help Luke be successful at Rovers.Good luck Luke,however you are not bigger than Bristol Rovers. Usually good managers show a personality.Clough,Shankly, Venables etc. Joe has his style,I'm pleased to see it and think the mans determination to see Rovers reach their potential fantastic. The fc must begin to all sing from the same page. Come on bas, you’re better than that. You can’t make excuses for what is something that could be described as bullying. It “seems”, “maybe”, but then if you use those words it may seem it’s not like that or maybe he’s not saying it as it is. Yes, good managers do show a personality but in this example JB is not showing himself to be a good manager. Do it in private, lay into him in the dressing room but don’t do it in public. And to compare JB with those atm is laughable. Yes the club should all “sing from the same page” but not when the lyrics are completely wrong! We should never follow something which is wrong. Blimey, and he’s not even our player, he’s on loan. All of which will not endear BRFC to any potential loanees and their clubs we may later approach. This is definitely a chapter in the “What not to do as a Football Manager” textbook. UTG! I imagine other clubs will be impressed by the support Rovers staff have given LT. Telling the football world may or may not be for the best,but I don't think it's bullying. It could still be seen as supportive. LT needs to improve his diet,get match fit and do himself ,the time,effort and money Rovers have put into him justice. It's an insult - albeit inadvertent- to the fc and Gasheads,wearing the Quarters when you've not got it together to get fit. Let's make it straight,if you sign for Rovers you give it your all or it's cheerio. Other clubs will admire and respect that professionalism and attitude and be happy to loan us their players. |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 25, 2021 21:31:14 GMT
Come on bas, you’re better than that. You can’t make excuses for what is something that could be described as bullying. It “seems”, “maybe”, but then if you use those words it may seem it’s not like that or maybe he’s not saying it as it is. Yes, good managers do show a personality but in this example JB is not showing himself to be a good manager. Do it in private, lay into him in the dressing room but don’t do it in public. And to compare JB with those atm is laughable. Yes the club should all “sing from the same page” but not when the lyrics are completely wrong! We should never follow something which is wrong. Blimey, and he’s not even our player, he’s on loan. All of which will not endear BRFC to any potential loanees and their clubs we may later approach. This is definitely a chapter in the “What not to do as a Football Manager” textbook. UTG! I imagine other clubs will be impressed by the support Rovers staff have given LT. Telling the football world may or may not be for the best,but I don't think it's bullying. It could still be seen as supportive. LT needs to improve his diet,get match for and do himself and the time,effort and money Rovers have put into him justice. It's an insult - albeit inadvertent- to the fc and Gasheads,wearing the Quarters when you've not got it together to get fit. Let's make it straight,if you sign for Rovers you give it your all or it's cheerio. Good you accept that telling the football world may not be for the best. He may well need to improve but I don’t see how making him a scapegoat for Tuesday night and calling him out publicly will help do that. Yes, I can see why you say it’s an insult if you’re not ready to play for us, but if he’s not then perhaps JB shouldn’t have selected him and put him on with 20 to go in a tight 1-0 match. Whatever, it doesn’t sit right with me calling out individual players when we’re disappointed at the result. JB is getting a bit of history with this in his time here. We win as a team and lose or draw as a team. UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 21:40:26 GMT
As usual, some people make this all about Barton. Its strange, people keep saying "its always about him" then......make it all about him! Thomas has had the arm round the shoulder treatment, he has had the 1:1s, the support, the extra time at the Quarters. Its been kept in house. And its not worked. Sometimes its down to the individual for the penny to eventually drop. He was shipped out to Ipswich, loan cut short. He is seemingly at the last chance saloon - really hope he takes it on board. He can either sulk, or ram it down the managers throat. What option would people prefer? Doesn't work though does it. How many chances has Barton had throughout his career? Impossible for someone with that track record to be taken seriously if he's trying to talk to staff about discipline and professionalism. Cracking appointment Wael. |
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