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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 15:49:54 GMT
I wonder why they sacked Tisdale. Or Garner for that matter. As from where Dukey was watching everything presumably was jolly spiffing. Garner should have gone sooner. Tisdale wasn't given either the time or the same support that Barton has enjoyed. Anyway, I would still like to know what actually happened with Coughlan, things were going rather well until he departed. However much you want to you cant lay that one at Barton. As career moves go, its got to be right up there as one of the worst decisions by a manager ever.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 17, 2022 16:19:34 GMT
Garner should have gone sooner. Tisdale wasn't given either the time or the same support that Barton has enjoyed. Anyway, I would still like to know what actually happened with Coughlan, things were going rather well until he departed. Match day attendances were low, given the place we were in and i think many were unhappy at the way we were playing and so he left before he got booted, that’s how i view it My recollection is that we were playing horrid football but getting results. He'd been given the job to shore up the defence and ensure survival - as a sort of lower league Big Sam - and everyone was very surprised when the first half of the season went well Cogs seemed to have his head turned by interest from elsewhere and in all the excitement at the end of the away win at Ipswich, he garbled on about not being sure if he could take the squad any higher So it was an inadvertent public resignation in effect The board seemed to agree with him, and since we were 4th in the table thought it was a good time to take a strategic risk on a young coach they'd taken a shine to - Ben (aka Joe) Garner
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 16:20:37 GMT
I wonder why they sacked Tisdale. Or Garner for that matter. As from where Dukey was watching everything presumably was jolly spiffing. Garner should have gone sooner. Tisdale wasn't given either the time or the same support that Barton has enjoyed. Anyway, I would still like to know what actually happened with Coughlan, things were going rather well until he departed. You didn't really answer though, did you. If relegation was all at Bartons door, why was Tisdale sacked??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 17:12:44 GMT
Garner should have gone sooner. Tisdale wasn't given either the time or the same support that Barton has enjoyed. Anyway, I would still like to know what actually happened with Coughlan, things were going rather well until he departed. Match day attendances were low, given the place we were in and i think many were unhappy at the way we were playing and so he left before he got booted, that’s how i view it He wasn't getting sacked on that basis KP, we were 4th in the division.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 17:14:13 GMT
Garner should have gone sooner. Tisdale wasn't given either the time or the same support that Barton has enjoyed. Anyway, I would still like to know what actually happened with Coughlan, things were going rather well until he departed. You didn't really answer though, did you. If relegation was all at Bartons door, why was Tisdale sacked?? Why are you asking me? I didn't let Tisdale go. Ask your mate Wael.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 17:27:50 GMT
You didn't really answer though, did you. If relegation was all at Bartons door, why was Tisdale sacked?? Why are you asking me? I didn't let Tisdale go. Ask your mate Wael. Thats not how it works. You claimed relegation was down to Barton. If that is was really the case, you must be able to come up with a reason as to why you think Tisdale & Garner were sacked, surely. And it cant be anything to do with fear of relegation as that would discredit your view that it was all down to JB.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 17:55:43 GMT
Why are you asking me? I didn't let Tisdale go. Ask your mate Wael. Thats not how it works. You claimed relegation was down to Barton. If that is was really the case, you must be able to come up with a reason as to why you think Tisdale & Garner were sacked, surely. And it cant be anything to do with fear of relegation as that would discredit your view that it was all down to JB. What a bizarre post. Are you feeling unwell? I stated the fact that Rovers were not in a relegation position when Punchy arrived, and form worsened, which culminated with the club finishing the season in bottom place, 10 points from safety. Am I mistaken? I have zero contact with anybody in a position of authority at the club so don't know why the decisions were made to terminate the employment of either Garner or Tisdale. No matter how many times you ask, the reply will be the same.
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Post by droitwichgas on Jan 17, 2022 19:05:18 GMT
Match day attendances were low, given the place we were in and i think many were unhappy at the way we were playing and so he left before he got booted, that’s how i view it He wasn't getting sacked on that basis KP, we were 4th in the division. GC knew w/o backing in January that wouldn't last/he'd eventually be shown the door, the fact we seemed content for him to leave seems to support that view. Looking back you do wonder why Mansfield thought GC was such a good manager to poach for a L2 promotion push.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 20:30:58 GMT
He wasn't getting sacked on that basis KP, we were 4th in the division. GC knew w/o backing in January that wouldn't last/he'd eventually be shown the door, the fact we seemed content for him to leave seems to support that view. Looking back you do wonder why Mansfield thought GC was such a good manager to poach for a L2 promotion push. It's all guesswork. A few people know what really happened, I'm not one of them. What I do recall though is him being quite emotional during that Ipswich post match interview. That didn't look to me to be the reaction of someone who had been considering his options for some time and had decided that now was the right time to move on. What I can say with confidence is that he had the team playing in a way that was very difficult to beat, I have no idea if that form would have continued, can we see your evidence to support your claim not only that it wouldn't have continued but also your evidence that Coughlan knew it wouldn't continue please? Mansfield had apparently already had 2 approaches for his services pushed back. I have no idea what that means in the scheme of things, but that's what was reported at the time.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 18, 2022 0:36:41 GMT
The idea of having “one boss” for the football side of the club isn’t necessarily a bad one and it’s ironic Bas that you were almost a lone voice championing Lennie Lawrence as “that man” when many of us thought he was taking Rovers for a ride. Only later did we find out that Nick Higgs decided not to go along with Lennie’s advice and there must have been something of a falling out because Lennie was made to work a notice period which was the reason he looked so grumpy and disinterested. In terms of character and managerial track record there was a case for Nick handing the football side over to Lennie but JB has no such qualities so I think surrendering total control to him was a reckless gamble made more out of desperation than rationality. At the half way stage of the season we are in 16th place and out of all cup competitions but many fans look up to the stars and carefully count the points to be gained from winning games in hand while other teams conveniently lose. They are somehow able to measure fitness levels and team spirit and confidently believe the barometer is rising. Having this mindset means being outplayed at home by Hartlepool but stealing a victory is naturally a clear sign of progress. We have been here so many times before and my thoughts go back ten years to when we beat Burton Albion 7-1 and Accrington Stanley 5-1 with Mark McGhee being described as the “strong man” Rovers had been in desperate need of for years. We know how that ended up and we know where Burton and Accrington are now. Your usual patronising comments Swiss. Re fitness levels, can you tell us how many goals we scored in the last 15 mins of games last season, and also how many we have scored in the last 15 mins of games this season? You will find it makes interesting reading. But don't let those kind of facts get in the way. Sorry but I don’t know how many goals we scored in the last 15 minutes of games last season or in the last 15 minutes of games this year but if we have scored more late goals this season does that make it a fact that the team is fitter ? Wouldn’t it be more likely down to the fact that last seasons team finished 5 points adrift at the bottom of the table and only scored 40 goals in total so we were hardly likely to score many in the final fifteen minutes of games ? But one fact impossible to refute is that when JB arrived we were 19th in League 1 and now we are 16th in League 2. Prior to the 2012/13 season did you think Mark McGhee was going to lead us to promotion or did you think his managerial style, his player signings and Nick Higgs’ being in awe of him were very ominous signs that things were not right at the club ?
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Post by swissgas on Jan 18, 2022 1:03:24 GMT
The idea of having “one boss” for the football side of the club isn’t necessarily a bad one and it’s ironic Bas that you were almost a lone voice championing Lennie Lawrence as “that man” when many of us thought he was taking Rovers for a ride. Only later did we find out that Nick Higgs decided not to go along with Lennie’s advice and there must have been something of a falling out because Lennie was made to work a notice period which was the reason he looked so grumpy and disinterested. In terms of character and managerial track record there was a case for Nick handing the football side over to Lennie but JB has no such qualities so I think surrendering total control to him was a reckless gamble made more out of desperation than rationality. At the half way stage of the season we are in 16th place and out of all cup competitions but many fans look up to the stars and carefully count the points to be gained from winning games in hand while other teams conveniently lose. They are somehow able to measure fitness levels and team spirit and confidently believe the barometer is rising. Having this mindset means being outplayed at home by Hartlepool but stealing a victory is naturally a clear sign of progress. We have been here so many times before and my thoughts go back ten years to when we beat Burton Albion 7-1 and Accrington Stanley 5-1 with Mark McGhee being described as the “strong man” Rovers had been in desperate need of for years. We know how that ended up and we know where Burton and Accrington are now. I've got to get to work Swiss,but Saturdays victory and in slightly bonkers village Vicars sermon style (I've heard many),I see a similarity with my Sunday tea and Monday morning (just now) breakfast. Sunday evening I opened what I thought was a can of custard,to go with a rhubarb tart.After opening the can I saw it was actually a rice pudding,not custard.I put it in the fridge and then opened a can of custard. This Monday morning I got up telling myself 'come on,Monday mornings ar'nt so bad'.Then I remembered the opened can of rice pudding. Not my planned breakfast but I went for it and with a blob of jam to boot. Tastey and cheery. The sunday evening defeat was turned into a Monday morning win! The Hartlepool win went from a possible defeat to victory and that is how the cookie sometimes crumble.Not to mention the 7 selection changes had to find their 'grass legs' again and Hartlepool were very determined to improve their poor away record and that after a good FA Cup win against Blackpool. Monday morning. 🙂 👍 I am reluctant to comment Bas as I’m actively involved in the black market racketeering of Ambrosia Devon Custard and Rice Pudding as well as Walker’s crisps and Fry’s chocolate cream. My source is a store about 100 miles away in Cincinnati but expats here value the service, trade is good and you’ll be pleased to know my balance sheet is exceptionally strong although admittedly it is propped up by tins of Quality Street.
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Post by baselswh on Jan 18, 2022 11:20:57 GMT
I've got to get to work Swiss,but Saturdays victory and in slightly bonkers village Vicars sermon style (I've heard many),I see a similarity with my Sunday tea and Monday morning (just now) breakfast. Sunday evening I opened what I thought was a can of custard,to go with a rhubarb tart.After opening the can I saw it was actually a rice pudding,not custard.I put it in the fridge and then opened a can of custard. This Monday morning I got up telling myself 'come on,Monday mornings ar'nt so bad'.Then I remembered the opened can of rice pudding. Not my planned breakfast but I went for it and with a blob of jam to boot. Tastey and cheery. The sunday evening defeat was turned into a Monday morning win! The Hartlepool win went from a possible defeat to victory and that is how the cookie sometimes crumble.Not to mention the 7 selection changes had to find their 'grass legs' again and Hartlepool were very determined to improve their poor away record and that after a good FA Cup win against Blackpool. Monday morning. 🙂 👍 I am reluctant to comment Bas as I’m actively involved in the black market racketeering of Ambrosia Devon Custard and Rice Pudding as well as Walker’s crisps and Fry’s chocolate cream. My source is a store about 100 miles away in Cincinnati but expats here value the service, trade is good and you’ll be pleased to know my balance sheet is exceptionally strong although admittedly it is propped up by tins of Quality Street. Haha! I know this industry well from my years in Basel,Swiss! We had a GB Shop too. The kippers were first class,along wuth the usual Marmite,salad cream,Crunchies etc. They even had scones and had a butcher knock up English sausages.Not bad at all.🙂 With respect. The breaking up of the PT Lennie partnership was ridiculous.A blatant error of judgement,supported by our 'experts'. Then goodness knows exactly what went on with GC leaving?This in the middle of a promotion challenge!That of course was also not good enough for plenty of 'experts',footballs not like FC Barca,boo hoo.. Now we have the "Barton out" 'winners'.Encouraging us on to nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 12:28:33 GMT
Your usual patronising comments Swiss. Re fitness levels, can you tell us how many goals we scored in the last 15 mins of games last season, and also how many we have scored in the last 15 mins of games this season? You will find it makes interesting reading. But don't let those kind of facts get in the way. Sorry but I don’t know how many goals we scored in the last 15 minutes of games last season or in the last 15 minutes of games this year but if we have scored more late goals this season does that make it a fact that the team is fitter ? Wouldn’t it be more likely down to the fact that last seasons team finished 5 points adrift at the bottom of the table and only scored 40 goals in total so we were hardly likely to score many in the final fifteen minutes of games ? But one fact impossible to refute is that when JB arrived we were 19th in League 1 and now we are 16th in League 2. Prior to the 2012/13 season did you think Mark McGhee was going to lead us to promotion or did you think his managerial style, his player signings and Nick Higgs’ being in awe of him were very ominous signs that things were not right at the club ? Strange logic you have. I can tell you we have scored more late goals than anyone else in the division and much of that is clearly to down to fitness and belief and an absolute refusal to give up. I also have it on good authority that all the GPS and sports science indicators show that we are considerably fitter than last season but to be honest that is in evidence from our own eyes. But never miss a chance to have a dig at the club or fans eh, even when the facts do not support your rhetoric. I don't know why there is an obsession by some of stating we are 16th in the league. We have only played 22 games and with a brand new squad and having suffered with multiple injurys. Common sense says now is not the time to judge. If that was the case Gerry would have been sacked in Jan/Feb 1987 when we were something like 18th in the table. Not sure what your point is re Mcghee. His good results you mentioned were down to Muzzy, it was clear he had no idea when Muzzy departed and he started his recruitment and got players in who couldn't run (Patterson), couldnt walk (that scottish centre half) or who just wasn't fit or interested (Clarkson)
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Post by towngas on Jan 18, 2022 12:55:21 GMT
I thought this was a thread about Luke Thomas.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jan 18, 2022 13:38:38 GMT
But one fact impossible to refute is that when JB arrived we were 19th in League 1 and now we are 16th in League 2. I don't know why there is an obsession by some of stating we are 16th in the league. Because we are 16th in League Two not 19th in League One.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 18, 2022 13:59:00 GMT
Match day attendances were low, given the place we were in and i think many were unhappy at the way we were playing and so he left before he got booted, that’s how i view it He wasn't getting sacked on that basis KP, we were 4th in the division. Probably right but many were critical of how we played and whispers of garner being at games if i remember well ? Seems a daft move given his position now
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 14:10:32 GMT
I don't know why there is an obsession by some of stating we are 16th in the league. Because we are 16th in League Two not 19th in League One. Maybe the debate should happen in the first week of August when the club is joint 24th
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 14:13:30 GMT
I thought this was a thread about Luke Thomas. Remember the rules, every thread has to be a dig at Barton, and /or the club on here.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jan 18, 2022 14:44:47 GMT
I thought this was a thread about Luke Thomas. Remember the rules, every thread has to be a dig at Barton, and /or the club on here. Ah, so Garner, Tisdale, McGhee, Aitken, even Darryl can be criticised but not the mighty Joey Barton. Got ya!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 14:59:57 GMT
Remember the rules, every thread has to be a dig at Barton, and /or the club on here. Ah, so Garner, Tisdale, McGhee, Aitken, even Darryl can be criticised but not the mighty Joey Barton. Got ya! Plenty of reasons for JB to be criticised Chesh. But for some to lay the blame purely on him for relegation when we had already sacked two managers, and where he inherited a squad of unfit and mentally weak players clearly is based on non footballing reasons. There is clear evidence of improvements in many areas, not least the fitness and desire of the players. I would suggest that those suggesting otherwise are letting their feelings on 'Barton the person' cloud their judgement. I have no probs with people having views on 'Barton the person' (I concur with most peoples thoughts on him) but the debates should be about the football decisions/management decisions.
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