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Thomas
Nov 25, 2021 21:41:08 GMT
Post by c4h10 on Nov 25, 2021 21:41:08 GMT
Yea, because it would be a disgrace to the profession, and childish to walk out of training, wouldn't it; Thank you, TWD! The most apropos post EVER. This will only be beaten by baselswh's attempt to justify. I can hardly wait to read that; I haven't had a good laugh for a while. Only, it's not a laughing matter, is it? Whatever Thomas's failings are, they should be dealt with at Bristol Rovers - not in public.
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Thomas
Nov 25, 2021 21:51:25 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Nov 25, 2021 21:51:25 GMT
Sometimes,the dirtiest players later make good referees.
A player can learn from his/her mistakes.
Average players can make great managers.
Etc.
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Post by baselswh on Nov 25, 2021 21:57:55 GMT
As usual, some people make this all about Barton. Its strange, people keep saying "its always about him" then......make it all about him! Thomas has had the arm round the shoulder treatment, he has had the 1:1s, the support, the extra time at the Quarters. Its been kept in house. And its not worked. Sometimes its down to the individual for the penny to eventually drop. He was shipped out to Ipswich, loan cut short. He is seemingly at the last chance saloon - really hope he takes it on board. He can either sulk, or ram it down the managers throat. What option would people prefer? Good post. We should back the manager here and not let a player that has had much help ,but still has'nt even reached the required fitness level bugger us about and get paid very well for doing it. What an insult and what a waste of money. You have a choice Luke.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 21:59:06 GMT
As usual, some people make this all about Barton. Its strange, people keep saying "its always about him" then......make it all about him! Thomas has had the arm round the shoulder treatment, he has had the 1:1s, the support, the extra time at the Quarters. Its been kept in house. And its not worked. Sometimes its down to the individual for the penny to eventually drop. He was shipped out to Ipswich, loan cut short. He is seemingly at the last chance saloon - really hope he takes it on board. He can either sulk, or ram it down the managers throat. What option would people prefer? Doesn't work though does it. How many chances has Barton had throughout his career?
Impossible for someone with that track record to be taken seriously if he's trying to talk to staff about discipline and professionalism.
Cracking appointment Wael.
You just proved the point there.
An obsession with Barton
So Thomas gets off scott free
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Thomas
Nov 25, 2021 22:21:29 GMT
Post by towngas on Nov 25, 2021 22:21:29 GMT
I don’t think we’ll see LT in the Quarters again. That’s a shame because I think we all had high hopes for him.
We move on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 22:36:51 GMT
Doesn't work though does it. How many chances has Barton had throughout his career?
Impossible for someone with that track record to be taken seriously if he's trying to talk to staff about discipline and professionalism.
Cracking appointment Wael.
You just proved the point there.
An obsession with Barton
So Thomas gets off scott free
Where did I even suggest that? What I said was it's going to be problematic for someone who, to be as generous as possible, wasn't exactly a model professional throughout his career, to lecture someone for stepping out of line. I also posted a small section of a story I found on line where Barton is reported to have done something that this player is being criticised for, namely walking out of a training session. I didn't comment in any way shape of form on the conduct of the player.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Nov 26, 2021 0:29:08 GMT
I don’t think we’ll see LT in the Quarters again. That’s a shame because I think we all had high hopes for him. We move on. I'm not so sure. If he's got any sense, he'll heed the message and start to knuckle down.
I think the timeline set out by contradiction is spot on and a public shaming is usually near the last resort for a manager. Thomas has undoubted talent, but seems on a slippery slope that will see him in out of league football unless he bucks his ideas up. There are some similarities to Josh Barrett in that respect.
There are plenty of talented players that would give their eye teeth to play league football.
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Post by chigleyskins on Nov 26, 2021 5:30:46 GMT
Thomas gets paid £5K pw! Surely he should be professional enough to keep fit for that? Also, not throw his toys out of the pram when not selected.
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 26, 2021 6:29:47 GMT
If Thomas needs to be disciplined so be it.
I dont mind a criticism of players in publicly per se, but it should be 'these players', 'some players' need to shape up etc because as said, you win, lose and draw as a team.
mildly criticising an individual after a game might 'push the boundaries' and I can see that as a tactic with certain players. JCH for instance seemed to be one of those players that needed to prodded slightly, but anything said has to have that belief from the manager that said player is good enough
What Barton did and has done is savage Thomas, publicly, like he did with Ehmer and to a lesser extent Ayung and Hanlan and to me that is unacceptable
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Post by bondigas on Nov 26, 2021 10:24:52 GMT
The criticism of Thomas is totally unacceptable, the boy is only 22 clearly with problems off the field, he's not even a Rovers player. If you go back to when he joined the club on loan it was eulogised as been a terrific coup by the management, a Championship player agreeing to play for a club in Div 2. Our immature juvenile owner couldn't help then flashing Thomas's panenka penalty in a pre season friendly all over his social media outlets, happy days, a vital cog signed to assist our guaranteed automatic promotion. Barton in doing what he's done by trashing the player disgracefully and publicly has shown his true colours, he's a nasty unhinged bully. Lets hope starting today that 12 good men and woman are true and they can relieve Rovers of this psychopath and the whole of football for ever.
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Thomas
Nov 26, 2021 10:25:17 GMT
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Post by vaughan on Nov 26, 2021 10:25:17 GMT
If Thomas needs to be disciplined so be it. I dont mind a criticism of players in publicly per se, but it should be 'these players', 'some players' need to shape up etc because as said, you win, lose and draw as a team. mildly criticising an individual after a game might 'push the boundaries' and I can see that as a tactic with certain players. JCH for instance seemed to be one of those players that needed to prodded slightly, but anything said has to have that belief from the manager that said player is good enough What Barton did and has done is savage Thomas, publicly, like he did with Ehmer and to a lesser extent Ayung and Hanlan and to me that is unacceptable A couple of things. It was a bad miss, but not horrendous. The poor defending for their equaliser was criminal. It was clear that he was fuming and he took it out on LT, based on simmering frustration with his attitude. It was OTT in terms of character assassination. However, LT clearly has an attitude problem. So goodbye. He will be sent back in January, that's if Barnsley pick up the phone. His explanation of why he is still here is bizarre. They did not answer the phone?
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Thomas
Nov 26, 2021 20:56:26 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 20:56:26 GMT
You just proved the point there.
An obsession with Barton
So Thomas gets off scott free
Where did I even suggest that? What I said was it's going to be problematic for someone who, to be as generous as possible, wasn't exactly a model professional throughout his career, to lecture someone for stepping out of line. I also posted a small section of a story I found on line where Barton is reported to have done something that this player is being criticised for, namely walking out of a training session. I didn't comment in any way shape of form on the conduct of the player. Rubbish.
No difference to Southgate telling them to take a decent penalty, Gerrard telling them not to slip, or Wenger telling them anything at all.
Or even Howard Wiklinson opening his mouth on the training field, because he never even played the game - but won the league.
Its called management.
Just the Barton obsession. Again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 21:05:00 GMT
Where did I even suggest that? What I said was it's going to be problematic for someone who, to be as generous as possible, wasn't exactly a model professional throughout his career, to lecture someone for stepping out of line. I also posted a small section of a story I found on line where Barton is reported to have done something that this player is being criticised for, namely walking out of a training session. I didn't comment in any way shape of form on the conduct of the player. Rubbish.
No difference to Southgate telling them to take a decent penalty, Gerrard telling them not to slip, or Wenger telling them anything at all.
Or even Howard Wiklinson opening his mouth on the training field, because he never even played the game - but won the league.
Its called management.
Just the Barton obsession. Again.
The contortions that people will put themselves through to defend the indefensible. You've ended up dancing on a pin head, and have fallen off. Anybody can miss a penalty, most are scored, some aren't. Sometimes players slip, it's part of the game. Wenger played at a decent level, he was a defender, there you go, you've learned something today. For this to be comparable Barton would have had to have ''accidentally' walked out of training at Newcastle, or walking out would have to be a normal part of the game. If it's a part of the game then why is Barton running his mouth about it? If Barton walked on by accident then maybe our player did as well, so why is Barton running his mouth about it? Just say, 'Oh yea, Barton isn't in a position to stand in judgement on anybody on that subject is he', there's a good lad.
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Thomas
Nov 26, 2021 21:22:13 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 21:22:13 GMT
Rubbish.
No difference to Southgate telling them to take a decent penalty, Gerrard telling them not to slip, or Wenger telling them anything at all.
Or even Howard Wiklinson opening his mouth on the training field, because he never even played the game - but won the league.
Its called management.
Just the Barton obsession. Again.
The contortions that people will put themselves through to defend the indefensible. You've ended up dancing on a pin head, and have fallen off. Anybody can miss a penalty, most are scored, some aren't. Sometimes players slip, it's part of the game. Wenger played at a decent level, he was a defender, there you go, you've learned something today. For this to be comparable Barton would have had to have ''accidentally' walked out of training at Newcastle, or walking out would have to be a normal part of the game. If it's a part of the game then why is Barton running his mouth about it? If Barton walked on by accident then maybe our player did as well, so why is Barton running his mouth about it? Just say, 'Oh yea, Barton isn't in a position to stand in judgement on anybody on that subject is he', there's a good lad. Like I say, its management.
Just like when that Birmingham keeper got arsey with Trolls and said 'what have you ever done in the game' when they had a barney.
It happens all the time, thats why players get dropped or moved on sometimes. Just ocassionally, they need to be outed as a last go.
Maybe that what Thomas needs, because its clear the other approach didnt work. I doubt it, but who knows.
Barton the person may be a knob, and lots of other things, but Barton the player made the most of his talent despite his many faults, and played for England.
I think he is more likely to be able to spot a player throwing his talent away then you or me I would suggest.
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Post by Angas on Nov 26, 2021 21:46:33 GMT
If he was that smart, wouldn't he have spotted Luke Thomas' flaws before signing him? Maybe he did, but arrogantly thought he could work a miracle.
The other aspect of all this is the timing. Was Joey starting to feel the pressure of the upcoming court case and that was the tipping point.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 22:09:06 GMT
If he was that smart, wouldn't he have spotted Luke Thomas' flaws before signing him? Maybe he did, but arrogantly thought he could work a miracle. The other aspect of all this is the timing. Was Joey starting to feel the pressure of the upcoming court case and that was the tipping point. I dont know if he is smart, or arrogant.
What I do know though is Thomas is extremely talented, went for a fee of £1.4m, couldnt get a game, had a loan at Ipswich cancelled, and now cant get into the starting 11 at a mid table league 2 team, and I also understand they have been spending loads of time with him (and the literal arm round the shoulder can also be spotted on after game footage)
I suspect he will prob not play for us again, but maybe the OTT comments will be the thing that gets a reaction in the nick of time.
If it was me in Thomas position I would be so bloody livid I would want to show how wrong Barton was. When I had calmed down.
Do any of us know what makes Thomas tick?
Hence I would not write off the comments without knowing the whole story
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Thomas
Nov 26, 2021 22:23:43 GMT
Post by a more piratey game on Nov 26, 2021 22:23:43 GMT
The other aspect of all this is the timing. Was Joey starting to feel the pressure of the upcoming court case and that was the tipping point. hmm...
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Post by Angas on Nov 27, 2021 0:12:58 GMT
Well I don't. And possibly Joey's words will have the desired effect. I just worry, given what I've read the last few days, that they could do more harm than good. I hope not.
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Post by chelt_gas on Nov 27, 2021 9:52:09 GMT
It’s such poor leadership to make a negative statement about a footballer in the media. In this age a recorded statement today is a permanent mark that will always be there in time immemorial. Even if a player has a issue, it’s temporary. A ‘man’ager with skill knows how to handle that situation. Joey bag is just so far from that person. Here’s how a leader would manage the situation www.norfolklive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/chelsea-terry-smith-aston-villa-6243860
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Thomas
Nov 27, 2021 13:19:25 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 13:19:25 GMT
It’s such poor leadership to make a negative statement about a footballer in the media. In this age a recorded statement today is a permanent mark that will always be there in time immemorial. Even if a player has a issue, it’s temporary. A ‘man’ager with skill knows how to handle that situation. Joey bag is just so far from that person. Here’s how a leader would manage the situation www.norfolklive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/chelsea-terry-smith-aston-villa-6243860People can make up their own mind.
Not saying its always the thing to do - its obs last resort and has to be judged on the situation.
All I know is that Sir Alex once did it with Ronaldo many years ago. Jose has done it several times - Ricardo Carvalho years ago long before Pogba and Luke Shaw - His biggest success doing it was Joe Cole who then became a regular at Chelsea. And Redknapp did it with Darren Bent. There are many others.
With the number of trophies they all won I tend to think they might have known when it may be worth pressing that button dont you think?
I suspect if it was anyone other than Barton people might react slightly differently - but too many people always make it about Barton.
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