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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 26, 2021 5:41:32 GMT
He might already have them, but the point is will he pick them over Coutts and Westbrook? Why not include Phillips, Mehew, Hargreaves in the matchday squad when you lack goals? Might be the answer,I don't know. Whatever way Joe decides to build,if he can't do it within 12 months then he ought to leave. That's a year to either develope eg the players you mention or target and sign new ones. Both options take abit of time. The only problem with that philosophy is me might be effectively relegated by then....or firmly entrenched in the battle. And, while I can't argue that Finley, Taylor, Thomas (both loans), Pitman, Saunders and Anderson are exciting players, so good recruitment so far, the Leon Clarke debacle and Coutts whom is obviously not up with requirements of 4th division appears to negate this. We appear too unbalanced. I do understand your patience regarding giving time, but at what cost? |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 26, 2021 5:58:53 GMT
Might be the answer,I don't know. Whatever way Joe decides to build,if he can't do it within 12 months then he ought to leave. That's a year to either develope eg the players you mention or target and sign new ones. Both options take abit of time. The only problem with that philosophy is me might be effectively relegated by then....or firmly entrenched in the battle. And, while I can't argue that Finley, Taylor, Thomas (both loans), Pitman, Saunders and Anderson are exciting players, so good recruitment so far, the Leon Clarke debacle and Coutts whom is obviously not up with requirements of 4th division appears to negate this. We appear too unbalanced. I do understand your patience regarding giving time, but at what cost? I assume Clark was nowhere near top of the list to sign.Apparently the market was poor,or we were late or indecisive,skint,unlucky.Clarke has been an awful signing,a risk that did'nt work.Was Pitman even high up the list? So this is imo examples of why a manager needs time because it's rare all signings work out,for all managers. Maybe give Joe 2 or 3 chances to cast his net and catch the maybe 4 more players required.Then hopefully by the start of next season we will have a good team. A new manager will almost certainly face the same challenges and would need time. Oh and yes,there is always a risk of relegation and that would be very bad indeed.I suppose Wael would have to access that around new year time,not to mention the financial considerations. Personally I think we have a better team than the one John Ward used and gave DC. |
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 26, 2021 7:57:47 GMT
Joe needs maybe 4 more effective players to compliment our squad. Give home time to sign them and imo we'll start to move forward. It's a long,but not too long effort. Barton in. Because his record on signing players is pretty outstanding isn't it? Replacing Hanlon with Leon Clarke was a stroke of genius, and so was signing a collection of his past-it mates. He has two failed transfer windows to put together a decent squad, and has cobbled together an unbalanced and low quality team that will struggle to survive in this division. Hanlon wanted a move, I would have liked us to keep him. To date, Hanlon and Leon Clarke have scored the same amount of goals. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 26, 2021 8:11:07 GMT
Because his record on signing players is pretty outstanding isn't it? Replacing Hanlon with Leon Clarke was a stroke of genius, and so was signing a collection of his past-it mates. He has two failed transfer windows to put together a decent squad, and has cobbled together an unbalanced and low quality team that will struggle to survive in this division. Hanlon wanted a move, I would have liked us to keep him. To date, Hanlon and Leon Clarke have scored the same amount of goals. Actually, Leon Clarke strike rate is the best we've had for years! |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 26, 2021 8:33:34 GMT
Hanlon wanted a move, I would have liked us to keep him. To date, Hanlon and Leon Clarke have scored the same amount of goals. Actually, Leon Clarke strike rate is the best we've had for years! 🙂 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 8:50:41 GMT
Because his record on signing players is pretty outstanding isn't it? Replacing Hanlon with Leon Clarke was a stroke of genius, and so was signing a collection of his past-it mates. He has two failed transfer windows to put together a decent squad, and has cobbled together an unbalanced and low quality team that will struggle to survive in this division. Hanlon wanted a move, I would have liked us to keep him. To date, Hanlon and Leon Clarke have scored the same amount of goals. Isn't Hanlon playing at a higher level though? I scored the same number of goals as Alan Shearer one season but I still think he was a bit better than me. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 26, 2021 10:23:59 GMT
The only problem with that philosophy is me might be effectively relegated by then....or firmly entrenched in the battle. And, while I can't argue that Finley, Taylor, Thomas (both loans), Pitman, Saunders and Anderson are exciting players, so good recruitment so far, the Leon Clarke debacle and Coutts whom is obviously not up with requirements of 4th division appears to negate this. We appear too unbalanced. I do understand your patience regarding giving time, but at what cost? I assume Clark was nowhere near top of the list to sign.Apparently the market was poor,or we were late or indecisive,skint,unlucky.Clarke has been an awful signing,a risk that did'nt work.Was Pitman even high up the list? So this is imo examples of why a manager needs time because it's rare all signings work out,for all managers. Maybe give Joe 2 or 3 chances to cast his net and catch the maybe 4 more players required.Then hopefully by the start of next season we will have a good team. A new manager will almost certainly face the same challenges and would need time. Oh and yes,there is always a risk of relegation and that would be very bad indeed.I suppose Wael would have to access that around new year time,not to mention the financial considerations. Personally I think we have a better team than the one John Ward used and gave DC. Hmmmm I haven't seen enough from JAB to make me think he can manage his way out of trouble, there's too many chaotic decisions he's taken that leaves me with any evidence things will change for the better. Your post is obviously more optimistic than mine. I take your point about whomever coming in gets a time allowance, so apply it to JAB (which is what you're effectively advocating), but he's had time. I disagree with this team v JW/DC era, first of all it's a completely different set of circumstances as we're in steady decline and have been for 2 years, secondly there were some great managers in prior era with Paul Cook, Wilder etc whom went on to manage at much higher levels and more importantly: we weren't so comprehensively outplayed at home, like we have been under JAB. Relegation should not be an issue given the resources we have compared to other teams in our league, but it's a real threat. JAB has to address this because all I can see atm is one step forward, 3 or 4 steps back and going down warrants gross misconduct with the remit he was given.. |
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Post by sethstarkadder on Oct 26, 2021 12:03:08 GMT
Just to recap, in the face of the last vestiges of revisionism and frog boiling..
When he came in we just had not to get any worse to stay in league 1. Five (other) clubs had effectively reserved the relegation spots for themselves all season and the game was to see which one could avoid it. He flapped his gums about how this season would be a promotion challenge from *that* division.
We finished adrift at the bottom.
A division lower and we’re still searching out fixtures that we might get points from. People said ‘give it ten games’. That deadline whooshed by, leaving no blip in the performance charts whatsoever. We’re now told, with more than a hint of ‘Poor Joey’, that he needs two or three transfer windows, after which we might get into the top half of div 4.
Plus (as has been noted previously) the club put itself into disrepute by appointing someone with that record as its frontsman and rapidly gave the lie to any sense of allowing for reform and rehabilitation as the man ran true to form, spouted bile, and slung mud. And now that embarrassing posturing is happening in the moral low ground of the lower reaches of the 4th division and the latest defeat against the plucky also-rans of professional football.
All things considered, I think it’s ‘Barton Out’.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 12:36:51 GMT
Just to recap, in the face of the last vestiges of revisionism and frog boiling.. When he came in we just had not to get any worse to stay in league 1. Five (other) clubs had effectively reserved the relegation spots for themselves all season and the game was to see which one could avoid it. He flapped his gums about how this season would be a promotion challenge from *that* division. We finished adrift at the bottom. A division lower and we’re still searching out fixtures that we might get points from. People said ‘give it ten games’. That deadline whooshed by, leaving no blip in the performance charts whatsoever. We’re now told, with more than a hint of ‘Poor Joey’, that he needs two or three transfer windows, after which we might get into the top half of div 4. Plus (as has been noted previously) the club put itself into disrepute by appointing someone with that record as its frontsman and rapidly gave the lie to any sense of allowing for reform and rehabilitation as the man ran true to form, spouted bile, and slung mud. And now that embarrassing posturing is happening in the moral low ground of the lower reaches of the 4th division and the latest defeat against the plucky also-rans of professional football. All things considered, I think it’s ‘Barton Out’. Good post. What an horrific period we are going through with this guy in charge. |
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 26, 2021 17:26:39 GMT
Hanlon wanted a move, I would have liked us to keep him. To date, Hanlon and Leon Clarke have scored the same amount of goals. Isn't Hanlon playing at a higher level though? I scored the same number of goals as Alan Shearer one season but I still think he was a bit better than me. Indeed he is. It was a poor attempt at humour to lighten the gloom - I'm obviously not going to have a career on the stage.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 12:08:22 GMT
Barton's in now for the foreseeable future.
Loads of Gasheads are in total support.
He seems to have control of the owner.
I'm not even sure we're not scouse owned.
Barton and his associates are in, somehow.
Nobody knows on what terms he's contracted.
I'm not sure he is contracted. It's odd.
Barton and his associates are invested.
How, and why - this is should trouble all.
Instead an away win in Yorkshire heals all.
Al Qadi's vanished: Barton speaks for both.
I worry what Rovers I'll have to return to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 12:11:44 GMT
Barton's in now for the foreseeable future. Loads of Gasheads are in total support. He seems to have control of the owner. I'm not even sure we're not scouse owned. Barton and his associates are in, somehow. Nobody knows on what terms he's contracted. I'm not sure he is contracted. It's odd. Barton and his associates are invested. How, and why - this is should trouble all. Instead an away win in Yorkshire heals all. Al Qadi's vanished: Barton speaks for both. I worry what Rovers I'll have to return to. Barton isn't contracted, he made that clear in his recent statement and I have been told it's true. He certainly does appear to have control of the owner so who will sack whoever is being paid to employ Barton? |
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 31, 2021 12:37:51 GMT
Barton's in now for the foreseeable future. Loads of Gasheads are in total support. He seems to have control of the owner. I'm not even sure we're not scouse owned. Barton and his associates are in, somehow. Nobody knows on what terms he's contracted. I'm not sure he is contracted. It's odd. Barton and his associates are invested. How, and why - this is should trouble all. Instead an away win in Yorkshire heals all. Al Qadi's vanished: Barton speaks for both. I worry what Rovers I'll have to return to. Barton isn't contracted, he made that clear in his recent statement and I have been told it's true. He certainly does appear to have control of the owner so who will sack whoever is being paid to employ Barton? The 38-year-old takes charge ahead of tomorrow night's meeting with Wigan Athletic at the Memorial Stadium, with Barton signing a deal with Club until 2023. A deal a contract what's the difference? Taken from club website. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 12:44:09 GMT
Barton isn't contracted, he made that clear in his recent statement and I have been told it's true. He certainly does appear to have control of the owner so who will sack whoever is being paid to employ Barton? The 38-year-old takes charge ahead of tomorrow night's meeting with Wigan Athletic at the Memorial Stadium, with Barton signing a deal with Club until 2023. A deal a contract what's the difference? Taken from club website. Seriously? One shudders at what kind of "deal" the shareholder agreed with him, a deal that apparently carries no contractual references or obligations? No wonder he has not been sacked. How do you sack somebody who is not employed?? Jesus Christ |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 15:12:45 GMT
Barton isn't contracted, he made that clear in his recent statement and I have been told it's true. He certainly does appear to have control of the owner so who will sack whoever is being paid to employ Barton? The 38-year-old takes charge ahead of tomorrow night's meeting with Wigan Athletic at the Memorial Stadium, with Barton signing a deal with Club until 2023. A deal a contract what's the difference? Taken from club website. We heard it from Barton himself, Rovers aren't paying him but I would argue that he is doing it for charity as he also said. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 31, 2021 15:42:37 GMT
The 38-year-old takes charge ahead of tomorrow night's meeting with Wigan Athletic at the Memorial Stadium, with Barton signing a deal with Club until 2023. A deal a contract what's the difference? Taken from club website. We heard it from Barton himself, Rovers aren't paying him but I would argue that he is doing it for charity as he also said. 'the accused is a full-time charity worker, your honour' |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 15:44:36 GMT
Someone's paying Barton's firm of... men.
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 31, 2021 17:24:58 GMT
The 38-year-old takes charge ahead of tomorrow night's meeting with Wigan Athletic at the Memorial Stadium, with Barton signing a deal with Club until 2023. A deal a contract what's the difference? Taken from club website. We heard it from Barton himself, Rovers aren't paying him but I would argue that he is doing it for charity as he also said. He didn't actually say that Rovers aren't paying him. He said that he doesn't earn any money out of it - presumably because he's paying some of the staff he brought with him, so no money is going in his pocket. He's not working for free though. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 17:26:40 GMT
We heard it from Barton himself, Rovers aren't paying him but I would argue that he is doing it for charity as he also said. He didn't actually say that Rovers aren't paying him. He said that he doesn't earn any money out of it - presumably because he's paying some of the staff he brought with him, so no money is going in his pocket. He's not working for free though. I think it's the other way around, he is being paid by one of those he brought with him who are paid by Rovers. Perhaps a company just like this one KAIZEN SPORTS MANAGEMENT LIMITED? |
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Post by lostinspace on Oct 31, 2021 17:33:54 GMT
He didn't actually say that Rovers aren't paying him. He said that he doesn't earn any money out of it - presumably because he's paying some of the staff he brought with him, so no money is going in his pocket. He's not working for free though. I think it's the other way around, he is being paid by one of those he brought with him who are paid by Rovers. Perhaps a company just like this one KAIZEN SPORTS MANAGEMENT LIMITED? so he's a sub contractor!!. does that make him "third party owned  "? |
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