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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 25, 2021 17:45:38 GMT
Incidentally, as a chairman from a particular part of the world, he has an added incentive to be proactive on this. Some will undoubtedly object to me pointing this out, but unfortunately this is the way it is. Not sure why anyone would object unless they are antisemitic and/or Holocaust deniers. Presumably Wael is somewhere without access to media and hasn't yet seen the latest stupidity from his colossally stupid managerial appointment. Cough. Unfortunately anti-Semitism is quite widespread in that part of the world. Holocaust denial perhaps not, but Holocaust relativisation, yes. Wael has an incentive just likes Germans who aren't anti-Semitic have an added incentive to make sure they can't be suspected of anti-Semitism in any situation. In an ideal world, this wouldn't be the case. But we don't live in an ideal world. And they definitely have Internet access in Jordan... |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 25, 2021 17:52:15 GMT
Not sure why anyone would object unless they are antisemitic and/or Holocaust deniers. Presumably Wael is somewhere without access to media and hasn't yet seen the latest stupidity from his colossally stupid managerial appointment. Cough. To be slightly pedantic he did not put THE in front of the word. Holocaust, a large amount of destruction especially by fire or heat OR the killing of large numbers of people. Not really sure what he was trying to say. Still based on the football, including results, Barton out. There we go then. An absolute nightmare. Case closed. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 25, 2021 17:53:32 GMT
Not sure why anyone would object unless they are antisemitic and/or Holocaust deniers. Presumably Wael is somewhere without access to media and hasn't yet seen the latest stupidity from his colossally stupid managerial appointment. Cough. To be slightly pedantic he did not put THE in front of the word. Holocaust, a large amount of destruction especially by fire or heat OR the killing of large numbers of people. Not really sure what he was trying to say. Still based on the football, including results, Barton out. 'A' or 'The' is irrelevant, as when you use the word, most people instinctively think of 'the'. I've never heard anybody use the word to describe a large amount of destruction by fire. In fact, I've not actually heard the word used to describe any other large-scale destruction of human life - nobody refers to the American holocaust, the Armenian holocaust, the Rwandan holocaust or the Bosnian holocaust. They use the word 'genocide'. So I think it impossible to believe that Barton did not know the social connotation of the word or its sensitivity. He knew full well the reaction the word would get, and was deliberately trying to divert attention away from his team's awful performance. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 25, 2021 17:54:38 GMT
Joe needs maybe 4 more effective players to compliment our squad.
Give home time to sign them and imo we'll start to move forward.
It's a long,but not too long effort.
Barton in.
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 25, 2021 17:57:56 GMT
Joe needs maybe 4 more effective players to compliment our squad. Give home time to sign them and imo we'll start to move forward. It's a long,but not too long effort. Barton in. Because his record on signing players is pretty outstanding isn't it? Replacing Hanlon with Leon Clarke was a stroke of genius, and so was signing a collection of his past-it mates. He has two failed transfer windows to put together a decent squad, and has cobbled together an unbalanced and low quality team that will struggle to survive in this division. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 25, 2021 18:00:57 GMT
Joe needs maybe 4 more effective players to compliment our squad. Give home time to sign them and imo we'll start to move forward. It's a long,but not too long effort. Barton in. Because his record on signing players is pretty outstanding isn't it? Replacing Hanlon with Leon Clarke was a stroke of genius, and so was signing a collection of his past-it mates. He has two failed transfer windows to put together a decent squad, and has cobbled together an unbalanced and low quality team that will struggle to survive in this division. Hanlon wanted out.At the time Joe said how poor the market was etc. 4 more decent players and we progress.Patience required. I hope WAQ has been informed of targets,I assume he has. |
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 25, 2021 18:08:09 GMT
To be slightly pedantic he did not put THE in front of the word. Holocaust, a large amount of destruction especially by fire or heat OR the killing of large numbers of people. Not really sure what he was trying to say. Still based on the football, including results, Barton out. 'A' or 'The' is irrelevant, as when you use the word, most people instinctively think of 'the'. I've never heard anybody use the word to describe a large amount of destruction by fire. In fact, I've not actually heard the word used to describe any other large-scale destruction of human life - nobody refers to the American holocaust, the Armenian holocaust, the Rwandan holocaust or the Bosnian holocaust. They use the word 'genocide'. So I think it impossible to believe that Barton did not know the social connotation of the word or its sensitivity. He knew full well the reaction the word would get, and was deliberately trying to divert attention away from his team's awful performance. So nuclear holocaust is an unknown term? All books and and films set post nuclear holocaust are talking about something different? As is the modern world people jumping in on a possible mis quote. Back to football, Barton out. |
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Post by gasprom on Oct 25, 2021 18:27:03 GMT
Because his record on signing players is pretty outstanding isn't it? Replacing Hanlon with Leon Clarke was a stroke of genius, and so was signing a collection of his past-it mates. He has two failed transfer windows to put together a decent squad, and has cobbled together an unbalanced and low quality team that will struggle to survive in this division. Hanlon wanted out.At the time Joe said how poor the market was etc. 4 more decent players and we progress.Patience required. I hope WAQ has been informed of targets,I assume he has. To be fair Basel, four players is the spine of a team. Any club would be four players away from a decent team. He signed 9 of the starting 11 against Newport so it’s not like it’s not his team |
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Post by swissgas on Oct 25, 2021 18:29:18 GMT
I think we need to stop spending money Oldie and start doing things the right way. Hopefully Wael will be at tomorrow nights Youth game and can ask the visitors how they are managing to further spend £2.2m on their training ground with cash sat in the current account. You know I agree with you, absolutely. The problem is, I think, that ship has sailed. How does the club start, now, doing things the right way when shareholder equity sits at £20M plus and would have to be repaid?. We had this chance in 2002-4, what was it them, £2.5M? Doable, but we pissed that opportunity up against a wall of egos and a very successful divide and rule campaign. The terrible reality is that we, as supporters, are totally reliant on the current shareholder(s) not liquidating the assets to get their cash back. Leaving us homeless. Back to the future and 1986 and all that. You are one of the few posters prepared to spell it out exactly as it is. I don't think Al-Qadi reputational damage has ever come into the equation previously but it might do now and if so it will influence their decision making. From what I gather anyone expressing interest in acquiring Rovers is passed to an intermediary who's prime motive is obviously making money for himself. In normal circumstances, where an asset with real value is being sold, it is quite feasible that an intermediary has a role to play in bringing parties together but in this case, IMO, he is the wrong person to help the family or Rovers. What we have is a football club which is losing £ 3+ million a year with two pieces of real estate which are actually liabilities rather than assets. The Mem is in such a state of disrepair it could be shut down at any time and a large sum needs to be spent on the training ground to meet planning conditions and make it fit for purpose while it continues to incur excessive running costs. So finding anyone credible to take on the whole shebang (at any price) is highly unlikely unless circumstances change. Which leaves three options for a family which must be regretting they ever got involved with Bristol Rovers. 1) Shut up shop at the earliest possibility and sell the land for development 2) Find someone prepared to take on the football club alone and lease the Mem and training ground for a period until they can find alternatives. 3) Accept a huge financial loss by writing off the loan, relinquishing the Charge and selling everything for a very small sum which would give new owners a chance to make something out of the mess which has been created. I think option 2) would be the most attractive for the intermediary and for Wael because the type of prospective owners which would take a punt on the club alone would gladly keep him on board to ease the deal through. But for Gasheads, and for the good of Rovers as a valued Bristol sporting institution, option 3) would be better. So the challenge is to persuade the Al-Qadi family that a clean break which ends the constant financial drain and embarrassing public controversies would be better for them as well. Perhaps it is time for politicians, the local media and other people of influence to start backing Rovers ? |
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 25, 2021 18:33:11 GMT
What use would the training ground be to anyone else. Not likely to get planning for other developments.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 25, 2021 18:41:55 GMT
Hanlon wanted out.At the time Joe said how poor the market was etc. 4 more decent players and we progress.Patience required. I hope WAQ has been informed of targets,I assume he has. To be fair Basel, four players is the spine of a team. Any club would be four players away from a decent team. He signed 9 of the starting 11 against Newport so it’s not like it’s not his team The way I see it Gasprom is is'nt it about time we stuck with a bloke and gave him time to build a decent squad? Whatever the positions required,give Joe this whole season and 10 to 15 of next season (unless there's a freakish curse on injuries) to get it together. 4 decent players away from progress.Maybe. Plenty of scouts,managers and Chairman/Presidents sign some good to try and keep and some that must move on.No one gets it immediately correct.Eg some are questioning how Man Utd can play the pressing game now,with Ronaldo?They can't because he won't/can't do the extra miles Keep the good. Lose the unsuited. Sign eg 4 good uns. This over the next 12 months and we might just be laughing. We've dug the foundations,now maybe we should consider being patient as we build. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 25, 2021 18:54:17 GMT
I voted on here and postal. You could have picked 'I am the one in ten' as well |
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Post by lostinspace on Oct 25, 2021 18:59:30 GMT
on a rather humorous note. a FB "memory" came up today.....[my words] .....WTF only 0-3!!! utter bolloc8s .....Buckle.... TIME TO GO...[October 25 2011] same sort of theme peeps.... same sh8te different name
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Post by absent on Oct 25, 2021 19:09:24 GMT
To be slightly pedantic he did not put THE in front of the word. Holocaust, a large amount of destruction especially by fire or heat OR the killing of large numbers of people. Not really sure what he was trying to say. Still based on the football, including results, Barton out. 'A' or 'The' is irrelevant, as when you use the word, most people instinctively think of 'the'. I've never heard anybody use the word to describe a large amount of destruction by fire. In fact, I've not actually heard the word used to describe any other large-scale destruction of human life - nobody refers to the American holocaust, the Armenian holocaust, the Rwandan holocaust or the Bosnian holocaust. They use the word 'genocide'. So I think it impossible to believe that Barton did not know the social connotation of the word or its sensitivity. He knew full well the reaction the word would get, and was deliberately trying to divert attention away from his team's awful performance. I have a book called the The Kaiser's Holocaust, which is about the German genocide in Namibia at the end of the 19th century. And you may have heard it in the context of Cannibal holocaust, Zombie holocaust, nuclear holocaust etc. The Manic Street Preachers used it prominently in the lyrics of one of their more radio-friendly early hits. I'm not defending Barton for a second, but I have heard the word holocaust used as a synonym for 'a bad thing'. In itself this isn't a reason for a hysterical media reaction. But it is an incredibly stupid thing for a football manager to say in a press conference. Even by his standards. But it's part of the Barton circus, it is being used to drag the clubs name into further disrepute, and he should have been sacked by now for multiple other reasons anyway. To stand by him yet again would bring Wael's judgement further into doubt (and it's already highly questionable). |
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Post by gastower on Oct 25, 2021 20:00:12 GMT
What use would the training ground be to anyone else. Not likely to get planning for other developments. Well FGR rent a training ground on the east side ofChippenham and with a new stadium 2junctions up the M5 on the horizon perhaps the the Quarters could be renamed “ The Green”? |
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Post by JeffNZ on Oct 25, 2021 23:09:51 GMT
What use would the training ground be to anyone else. Not likely to get planning for other developments. Well FGR rent a training ground on the east side of Chippenham and with a new stadium 2junctions up the M5 on the horizon perhaps the Quarters could be renamed “ The Green”? Another source of irritation that a local village team is head and shoulders above us in on and off-field professionalism and performance. (Vegan pies excepted) Maybe we should consider a name change, I vote Nempnett Thrubwell Rovers. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 25, 2021 23:40:49 GMT
Well FGR rent a training ground on the east side of Chippenham and with a new stadium 2junctions up the M5 on the horizon perhaps the Quarters could be renamed “ The Green”? Another source of irritation that a local village team is head and shoulders above us in on and off-field professionalism and performance. (Vegan pies excepted) Maybe we should consider a name change, I vote Nempnett Thrubwell Rovers. Adge isn’t on this at all. He and reg quantrill were the only true west country people RIP |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 26, 2021 0:00:46 GMT
Joe needs maybe 4 more effective players to compliment our squad. Give home time to sign them and imo we'll start to move forward. It's a long,but not too long effort. Barton in. Because his record on signing players is pretty outstanding isn't it? Replacing Hanlon with Leon Clarke was a stroke of genius, and so was signing a collection of his past-it mates. He has two failed transfer windows to put together a decent squad, and has cobbled together an unbalanced and low quality team that will struggle to survive in this division. Nice tidy finish from Ayunga last weekend, albeit a higher division. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 26, 2021 4:39:39 GMT
Joe needs maybe 4 more effective players to compliment our squad. Give home time to sign them and imo we'll start to move forward. It's a long,but not too long effort. Barton in. He might already have them, but the point is will he pick them over Coutts and Westbrook? Why not include Phillips, Mehew, Hargreaves in the matchday squad when you lack goals? |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 26, 2021 4:45:48 GMT
Joe needs maybe 4 more effective players to compliment our squad. Give home time to sign them and imo we'll start to move forward. It's a long,but not too long effort. Barton in. He might already have them, but the point is will he pick them over Coutts and Westbrook? Why not include Phillips, Mehew, Hargreaves in the matchday squad when you lack goals? Might be the answer,I don't know. Whatever way Joe decides to build,if he can't do it within 12 months then he ought to leave. That's a year to either develope eg the players you mention or target and sign new ones. Both options take abit of time. |
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